Liquid Clen/Keto Combo

[JudoJosh]

Starting to start doing some research for a cycle I am planning to run sometim in the future. I want to pulse epi and cycle in some clen.

So the chem site I order from has this combo "Liquid Clen/Keto Combo".

What is the keto for? Is it necessary or helpfull at all? Or just stick with the clen?

Thanks

[UnrealMachine]

ketotifen is to keep upregulate your beta2 receptors so the clen doesn't need to be cycled 2 on 2 off style

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketotifen

[JudoJosh]

I was hoping you would chime in this unreal...

So would you recomend it?

I am going to be attempting to mimic your epi/clen run you did a while back..

[UnrealMachine]

the epi/clen cycle should work fine but that cycles clen 2 on 2 off where the keto isn't needed. I haven't used ketotifen and i really have no idea what it's dosed at either, even with it i wouldn't want to run clen for 8 weeks straight though, that's just a lot of clen. Between the clen and the Epi, i would get frequent headaches, no good for BP... clen gives me more BP problems than steroids do.

with my 8 week cycle you referred to, the epi was pulsed 3x a week and I am pretty sure I was doing DC training those 3x a week, and then cardio the other 4 days of the week. Back then i wasn't doing hardcore ketosis but i was doing a low carb diet

[JudoJosh]

I plan on doing some keto dieting to help with the fat loss and try some 6-bromo for off days..

Also as for the headaches would I be able to take some ibprofen for when it gets bad and would supping extra hawthorne berry help much?

As for PCT I was thinking clomid with some kinda natty test booster..

thanks for the help

[Trauma1]

Starting to start doing some research for a cycle I am planning to run sometim in the future. I want to pulse epi and cycle in some clen.

So the chem site I order from has this combo "Liquid Clen/Keto Combo".

What is the keto for? Is it necessary or helpfull at all? Or just stick with the clen?

Thanks

Benadryl (diphenhydramine) will also help slow desensitization of beta-2 receptors; which will essentialy help keep them upregulated. The use of a 1st generation anti-histamine/anti-cholinergic (i.e, diphenhydramine) will also offer a sedative effect that's very welcome when you're trying to get some sleep taking clen.