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    Unreal's Guide to Injectables


    Figured with the PH ban some of you pill-popping boyscouts would look to peek into the darkside. There's not as much AAS info on this site so this should help.
    Of course, this guide is for entertainment purposes only

    Introduction
    Injectable steroids don't need to be methylated to survive the first pass effect of the liver, so basically the liver toxicity is negligible. This allows them to be run longer and stacked more aggressively. Shutdown, side effects, and gains occur as with oral steroids, the main difference is that oral steroids have a half-life measured in hours, and injectable steroids are usually esterified to extend their half-life so that it's measured in days (to allow less frequent injects). This means injectable cycles are usually run with more moderate gains over a longer period of time, which improves the keepability of the gains.

    Suspensions
    Now, any steroid molecule by itself has an extremely short half-life; a product made from pure steroid molecules without esters attached is called a suspension. You may hear of test suspension, tren suspension, and of course winstrol is a suspension (suspensions can be oil-based or water based, water supposedly hurts more). Suspensions should be injected twice a day, though people usually do 1x a day because they're so painful. Because they hit you so fast, and because no mass is lost to an ester, suspensions are much more powerful on a mg/mg basis.

    Esterified Steroids
    Esters - The overwhelming majority of injectable steroids are esterified, so instead of being alkalated with a methyl group at the 17th carbon position, or left as a suspension, an ester is attached, which serves to extend the half life of the molecule by rendering it inactive until the ester is cleaved off.
    An ester's half-life is roughly proportional to the length of the ester! So longer esters result in longer half lives which means it takes a lot more time for the steroid to kick in.
    Ester Weights - The longer the ester, the longer the half life, and the higher the mass of the ester. Longer esters mean for every 100mg of steroid you use, less of it is actual steroid molecule and more of it is soon-to-be-worthless esters. So long-estered steroids are less potent, mg/mg, than shorter-estered steroids. I.E. 100mg of test prop is contains more testosterone than 100mg of test cypionate, because more weight is tied up in the larger cypionate ester.
    Injection Frequency - Anecdotal evidence points to more frequent injects leading to less sides because of more stable blood levels (I speak of tren ace taken everyday vs. every other day). But some people break the rules, inject test enanthate once a week and it works great for them. Most of the time, short esters like test prop and tren ace are shot everyday or every other day and long esters are shot twice a week -- you could do some of them 1x a week but if you have to inject 4mL of oil you're going to need two injects anyway.
    Short Esters Vs. Long Esters - Short esters have a reputation for causing less bloat than long-esters, some people swear this to be the case, some people run both and notice no difference. I haven't been able to find anything scientific to support the idea of longer esters causing more bloat... At any rate it is important to dispel any preconceived notions that shorter esters are for cutting and longer esters are for bulking, it's not that simple.
    Sustanon - Sustanon had to be mentioned specifically because it is a blend of testosterone esters, usually it's 30mg propionate, 100mg decanoate, 60mg isocaproate, and 60mg phenylpropionate. The idea is to keep blood levels more stable by having several esters releasing in a cascade from shortest to longest. In practice, it functions more like enanthate, about 4 weeks to kick in. People often say to inject it more frequently because of the propionate in there, but 30mg out of 250mg isn't enough to worry about.
    Ester Clearance - because esters take so long to build up, they also take a while to leave, which means even after you stop injecting a long-ester like Test-Cypionate, you're still on cycle for a couple weeks. So usually the PCT is delayed by about 2 weeks following a long-ester cycle. Of course, the exact amount of time will depend on the ester and the dose, if there was something stacked, etc. Starting PCT a little early doesn't hurt... But if you've got steroid molecules actively causing suppression, you cannot recover yet.

    I've tried to show everything in this table but keep in mind the half-life numbers are very rough, and the kick-in time is based on my observations and varies based on a number of variables.



    This should fill in most of the holes people here have with injectable steroids. Here's the rest

    Concentrations - Long-estered steroids are usually available in higher concentrations than short-estered steroids. Test E is usually 250mg/mL, sometimes 300mg/mL, while test prop is usually 100mg/mL. Shorter esters also tend to be more painful than longer esters.
    Sometimes you'll see really high concentrations, like testosterone at 400mg/mL (supertest). This is usually facilitated by using a ton of BA (benzyl alcohol), which means that the gear will hurt like a bitch to inject. So this overdosed gear is usually diluted with long-estered gear or with pure sterile oil or injectable B12 to make the injections more bearable.
    First Cycle - Testosterone-only is what's recommended. Test enanthate, cypionate, or sustanon, so that you can inject twice a week and run about 500mg a week for 10-12 weeks. I think a good addition is an oral kickstart for the first 4 weeks, as the testosterone isn't doing much for those weeks and this can give you a big headstart with gains and strength to capitalize on for the rest of your cycle.
    Injection Technique - Get out your vial of gear, syringe with drawing needle, shooting needle, and alcohol swabs. Wipe the rubber stopper on the vial with an alcohol swab. Take out your sterile syringe with drawing needle (18-20g usually) and draw into it as many mL of air as you plan on injecting. Push this into the vial and expel the air, and then draw the same amount of oil into the syringe. This step is to maintain atmospheric pressure inside your vial.
    Next remove the syringe, hold it upright, and draw back on the plunger a little to clear the oil out of the needle. Replace this needle with your shooting needle (23g or 25g), and then still holding it upright of course, push the plunger until all the air is cleared out and there's a drop of oil at the tip.
    Use the alcohol swab on the injection site. Bring the needle over the exact spot you want to inject and bring it down so that the droplet of oil at the needletip marks the entrance point (lubrication!), and then push it in. Sometimes a spot just doesn't work out (lol) and you need to find a new spot and try again (technically you should swap needles but no one ever does this). Depth varies, but generally a 1" needle is used and you need to inject into the muscle, NOT the fat. After a successful stab, you pull back on the plunger just enough to see a bubble forming in the bottom of the syringe where it attaches to the needle, you do not need to pull hard, if you are in a vein you'll know, as positive pressure will cause blood to gush into the syringe. Assuming you are not in a vein, go ahead and inject slowly. Remove the needle, wipe up any blood with the alcohol swab, massage the injection site a little, and you're done.

    hCG = human chorionic gonadotropin
    Because it is not uncommon for injectable cycles to run longer than oral-only cycles the athlete needs to address an additional risk. Once the body shuts down it's own testosterone production via the HPTA, the testicular function will drop significantly and, because this may be over a long period of time, the testicles can atrophy to the point where their long-term ability to function properly is at risk.
    The testicles receive their signal to produce testosterone from the pituitary gland via Luteinizing hormone (LH). LH levels will rapidly decline when steroids are taken. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin is an LH mimicker, found in particularly high levels in pregnant females to prevent the breakdown of the fetus. For an athlete on steroids, hCG can be taken to stimulate the testes to produce testosterone and to prevent atrophy. For a healthy male with normal testicular function, a dose of 250-500iu 2x/wk is usually sufficient (though everyones sensitivity may vary). hCG should usually be started in the 3rd or 4th week of the cycle (or whenever the body is completely shutdown) and run until just before PCT.
    It is a misnomer that hCG should be used during PCT. hCG is suppressive to the body's natural LH level and the HPTA. It will keep the testes functioning normally in the absence of stimuli but when trying to get the body back on its own normal track it is counter-productive.
    On a related note, an endocrinologist, Dr. Simeons, theorized that the hCG 'programmed' the hypothalamus to catabolize adipose fat tissue only and not break down lean muscle tissue (essentially the mechanism by which it protects the fetus in pregnant women). He tested his theory by putting obese men on low doses of hCG and a 500 calorie/day diet. The results were incredible. A substantially higher percentage of the weight loss was adipose fat instead of muscle. However, it is important to note the hCG does NOT induce ANY fat loss itself. Rather the hCG spares the muscle tissue during catabolism.
    hCG often comes in crystalline form and must be dissolved with anti-bacteriostatic water in a sealed sterile vial and then refrigerated to prevent degradation of the compound. It is usually injected using insulin pins (29gauge) and is usually injected subcutaneously (into the fat layer, using a pinched fat flab on the stomach) although it can also be injected instramuscularly.
    *This part on hCG has been contributed by CrazyChemist.*

    Injection Theory
    Injection Volume - You will learn to strike a balance between injection frequency and volume. If your cycle calls for 600mg of test enanthate a week, and yours is 200mg/mL, then you need 3mL a week. You can do a single 3mL injection (not usually recommended, as with most 3mL syringes this means you cannot aspirate), two 1.5mL injections, or three 1mL injections.
    Smaller injections cause much less site pain, but then you need to do more of them. Larger injections get the job done faster, but the site will usually be much more sore and for a much longer time, sometimes over a week, although the variability is very high.
    Keep in mind that bigger muscle groups can handle larger injection volumes better. If you are doing a big injection of say 2.6mL, it's better off going into a glute than your deltoid.
    I feel that if you are using a 3mL syringe, your maximum injection volume is around 2.7-2.8mL, you want to have enough space to move the plunger enough to be sure of your aspiration, fortunately due to the positive pressure of blood in a blood vessel, aspiration does not require that you pull the plunger back very far.
    Site Rotation - You have 6 injection points, you have left deltoid, right deltoid, left quad, right quad, left glute, right glute, and you rotate through these however you see fit based on your volumes and frequencies. It is not necessary to involve every injection site. If you are injecting 2mL twice a week, you can put 2mL in your left quad and 2mL in your right quad and there's no need to involve glutes or deltoids... I have done lots of quad-only injecting because it's just way easier to inject there (I have done this even with everyday injects, finding different sites slightly up and down the quadricep). On the other hand, you may find 2mL injections cause too much discomfort and stick to 1mL injections and do four 1mL injections a week, involving only quads and glutes... Or you may bring deltoids into the rotation so that everything is hit less often.
    It's up to you of course. I think the same kind of common sense applies here as with lifting weights, i don't work a muscle if it's already sore and I don't inject a site if it's already sore.
    Needle Size - The gauge is the diameter of the needle, where smaller numbers mean larger diameters. Typically you'll want something like an 18g to a 21g as your "drawing" needle and either a 23g or a 25g as your "shooting" needle. And if it's not obvious enough after you see that those two ranges don't overlap, then know that you should never shoot with the needle you drew with. The tip is very, very sharp and just the act of poking it through the rubber stopper dulls it. When you inject with a dull needle it hurts more and shreds up your insides a little more.
    22g is the largest you would ever want to inject with. Bigger than that will start to get painful...
    I personally prefer 23g over 25g, the reason being that with a bigger diameter, you don't need as much pressure to get the oil out. This means with a 23g you don't need to press down on the plunger as hard, or as long, to do your injection, which is very nice when you're doing it awkwardly and one-handed.
    For needle lengths, .75" is the minimum size, usually used only by lean guys. 1" needles are pretty standard, and 1.5" needles are recommended for glute injections for everyone carrying some fat on their asses. What size you use doesn't matter a ton, as you could use a 1.5" and only go halfway into a lean site, although this is quite a bit trickier than simply burying a .75" needle. All that really matters with the length is that you get past the fat and into the muscle, and that you aren't stupid enough to jab the needle into a bone or something (lol).
    Basically a 1" needle will suffice for everything, and if you are concerned about your ass-fat, burying it all the way in should do the trick, unless your bodyfat is quite high. An inch of fat is a lot.

    Personal Endnote
    This guide should help understand what distinguishes injectable steroids from oral steroids, the "prohormones" that are so popular here. The main thing is to understand esters and how they determine half life, injection frequency, ester clearance, the concentrations attainable, etc. To gain a better grasp on injectable steroids and how to plan injectable cycles, you should read about all of them and learn exactly what they do. Learn what side effects they exhibit, and how to counter-act them. Remember that most cycles are usually run over a base of testosterone, this is for it's androgenic power and ability to keep your libido going while other compounds crush your natural testosterone levels.

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    I am going to sub even though I know I dont need to.

    Yet another great thread unreal.
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    I've heard not to massage the area after injecting. Is there really any evidence to support massaging/not massaging the site post injection?
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    Quote Originally Posted by n8te View Post
    I've heard not to massage the area after injecting. Is there really any evidence to support massaging/not massaging the site post injection?
    Ok I've most often read that massaging the site is beneficial as it helps to disperse the oil... I am not 100% sure, but I usually let the muscle go limp and then kind of pound on it from different angles. Mooch brought up the point that massaging may get some oil up through the injection hole and into the fat layer... I dunno, i don't think this has occurred for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    Ok I've most often read that massaging the site is beneficial as it helps to disperse the oil... I am not 100% sure, but I usually let the muscle go limp and then kind of pound on it from different angles. Mooch brought up the point that massaging may get some oil up through the injection hole and into the fat layer... I dunno, i don't think this has occurred for me.
    Yea I've heard both ways of doing it from friends but never seen adverse affects from either technique. thx for the response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    Ok I've most often read that massaging the site is beneficial as it helps to disperse the oil... I am not 100% sure, but I usually let the muscle go limp and then kind of pound on it from different angles. Mooch brought up the point that massaging may get some oil up through the injection hole and into the fat layer... I dunno, i don't think this has occurred for me.
    I don't know if this is Placebo but it seems to me that massaginig the injection site right after the injection seems to ease the soreness afterwards.IMO
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    what about warming up the oil before you inject... such as when you use amples? Figured I would bring this up and see what others thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftingstud View Post
    what about warming up the oil before you inject... such as when you use amples? Figured I would bring this up and see what others thought.

    First of the yr here i come test e!!!
    ampules. I think warming it up is mostly to decrease the viscosity and make the oil easier to push... I have never tried this and it shouldn't be necessary unless your gear is UG and real thick. I suppose it could help ease the pain but probably not by much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n8te View Post
    I've heard not to massage the area after injecting. Is there really any evidence to support massaging/not massaging the site post injection?
    The most important factor here with administering an intramuscular injection is making sure that you're delivering the oil into the muscle, and that it doesn't leak back into subcutaneous tissue. This is where localized irritation and issues can begin to manifest. This is why a specific technique known as the "Z-Track" is vital.


    Watch this video demonstration:

    http://www.snjourney.com/ClinicalInfo/Proced/Ztrack.htm


    Massaging after an injection is fine, but keep it brief and don't be overly aggressive with it. It will help to enhance dispersal of the oil; if you massage too hard though you risk damaging tissue and allowing the oil to escape from the muscle belly.

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    Excellent thread unreal, pretty much what you need to know if someone is considering AAS. Should definetly be a sticky, reps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    The most important factor here with administering an intramuscular injection is making sure that you're delivering the oil into the muscle, and that it doesn't leak back into subcutaneous tissue. This is where localized irritation and issues can begin to manifest. This is why a specific technique known as the "Z-Track" is vital.


    Watch this video demonstration:

    http://www.snjourney.com/ClinicalInfo/Proced/Ztrack.htm


    Massaging after an injection is fine, but keep it brief and don't be overly aggressive with it. It will help to enhance dispersal of the oil; if you massage too hard though you risk damaging tissue and allowing the oil to escape from the muscle belly.

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    Yea I remember looking at this method before. Thanks for your input Trauma. You're in the medical field right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by n8te View Post
    Yea I remember looking at this method before. Thanks for your input Trauma. You're in the medical field right?
    Yes sir; Emergency Room RN of about 10 years. I'm actually back in school now though to pursue my ARNP (Advanced Registered Nurse Practitoner).

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    so, this is where the people with the knowledge are? Never done forums before, so I hope this isn't totally gay to barge in like this.

    Could I please get some quick feedback on my post entitled "what to do with some tren 60?" in the anabolics section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Yes sir; Emergency Room RN of about 10 years. I'm actually back in school now though to pursue my ARNP (Advanced Registered Nurse Practitoner).

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    Awesome, good luck with it. I'm still trying to get a job in the health field w/ my degree, no one around here is hiring at the moment:/
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    Been waiting for you to post this Unreal! 2 needle injecting thumbs up!
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    Anyway we can get a video of this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickasher View Post
    Anyway we can get a video of this?
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    probably showing how to inject lol
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    lol i'm not making one... You guys have probably gotten IM shots before, I remember as a kid getting shots in my delt, so you've probably seen it anyway. Stick the needle in, pull back on the plunger for a split second, then push it down.

    Basically you're trying to get the oil from point A to point B, injecting is really not that scary at all, the needles are small and if you hit the right spots you'll hardly feel anything.

    I've mentioned it before but I couldn't wait for my first inject and had no hesitation and I usually look forward to them. From my experience it's really hard to mess something up.

    My absolute worst case scenario is when I injected my quad right where a vein was near the surface and when I took the needle out there was tons of blood, and later it seemed like some blood got under the skin and pushed the skin out a little, but it didn't hurt and didn't cause any problems.

    The human body is an amazing thing. Don't let yourself get too psyched out about it. I had read tons and tons about steroids before I injected anything so by the time i had to inject I knew better technique than (IMO) the majority of them so i thought if a bunch of dumbass juicemonkeys can do it, i can sure do it. Have some confidence! i think it's fun...
    I get to inject tomorrow!
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    I think we need a portion of the website dedicated to your posts......first the guide to superdrol and now this....great stuff man. I virtually had no education about injectables...thanks man keep these guides coming!
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    what other guides would you like to see? I've chosen the stuff that i'm most familiar with because I can basically write them all off the top of my head. PCT and gyno are two things i'd like to do but honestly they're too complicated for me to tackle. I have a pretty good idea of what's going on but i don't know enough of the biochem and hormone interactions to write a guide that sounds proper.

    I can write anything about PH and Steroid profiles based on the anecdotal evidence i've seen + my experience, putting together cycles, bridging and lots of theory...

    Seriously though sometimes I look at people posting up their cycles and i feel more inclined to write a guide to frigging diet and training as that would help more people out but that wouldn't belong in this section. Maybe i could call it "Unreal's Guide to Diet and Training on Cycle"
    I get real pissed off (no offense all small & skinny dudes) when people with very undeveloped stats and poor knowledge of diet and training want to do steroids... I know it is not my role to enforce standards but dammit, i want to. Cycling is frigging stupid if you are eating 3 meals a day, not drinking enough water, not getting enough sleep, hitting the gym 3-4x a week and missing workouts... Steroids are not for your average dumbass gym-goer, they're for dedicated individuals who have put time in and maxed out their other variables, or at least that's my elitist view.

    I always knew that I started steroids way way too soon... but in a little over 2 years natural training i added about 50 pounds of LEAN bodymass to my frame and now when I look in people's threads it's common to see people who haven't added nearly that much mass total, let alone lean mass... I was just posting in that guy's SUS thread and he was 6'1 169 pounds and started cycling and couldn't even tell if the steroid was working because he didn't know **** about how his body responded to changes in calorie intake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    Steroids are not for your average dumbass gym-goer, they're for dedicated individuals who have put time in and maxed out their other variables, or at least that's my elitist view.
    couldnt have said it better myself!
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    what other guides would you like to see? I've chosen the stuff that i'm most familiar with because I can basically write them all off the top of my head. PCT and gyno are two things i'd like to do but honestly they're too complicated for me to tackle. I have a pretty good idea of what's going on but i don't know enough of the biochem and hormone interactions to write a guide that sounds proper.

    I can write anything about PH and Steroid profiles based on the anecdotal evidence i've seen + my experience, putting together cycles, bridging and lots of theory...

    Seriously though sometimes I look at people posting up their cycles and i feel more inclined to write a guide to frigging diet and training as that would help more people out but that wouldn't belong in this section. Maybe i could call it "Unreal's Guide to Diet and Training on Cycle"
    I get real pissed off (no offense all small & skinny dudes) when people with very undeveloped stats and poor knowledge of diet and training want to do steroids... I know it is not my role to enforce standards but dammit, i want to. Cycling is frigging stupid if you are eating 3 meals a day, not drinking enough water, not getting enough sleep, hitting the gym 3-4x a week and missing workouts... Steroids are not for your average dumbass gym-goer, they're for dedicated individuals who have put time in and maxed out their other variables, or at least that's my elitist view.

    I always knew that I started steroids way way too soon... but in a little over 2 years natural training i added about 50 pounds of LEAN bodymass to my frame and now when I look in people's threads it's common to see people who haven't added nearly that much mass total, let alone lean mass... I was just posting in that guy's SUS thread and he was 6'1 169 pounds and started cycling and couldn't even tell if the steroid was working because he didn't know **** about how his body responded to changes in calorie intake.
    I wouldn't mind seeing a guide for p-plex or tren....maybe just write guides for the PHs that would be considered to be fairly harsh. I feel like Epi and Hdrol are mild enough and are very common cycles that your beginner should be able to search the forum and find what they need to.

    Maybe you could try including diet and training in the guide for that particular PH/AAS. Different compounds always yield different results and some are better bulkers/cutters, etc. So maybe that's something you can include/update in your guides.

    I totally agree with people going on PH/AAS wayyy to early. I just did my first PH a few months ago...and i've been training for about 7 years. You'll always see guys that are not even close to maxing out there stats or are way too young to be even thinking about it. I think AM just needs to make you a mod so you can B1tch smack people in the face....oh wait you do that already hahhaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    I wouldn't mind seeing a guide for p-plex or tren....maybe just write guides for the PHs that would be considered to be fairly harsh. I feel like Epi and Hdrol are mild enough and are very common cycles that your beginner should be able to search the forum and find what they need to.

    Maybe you could try including diet and training in the guide for that particular PH/AAS. Different compounds always yield different results and some are better bulkers/cutters, etc. So maybe that's something you can include/update in your guides.

    I totally agree with people going on PH/AAS wayyy to early. I just did my first PH a few months ago...and i've been training for about 7 years. You'll always see guys that are not even close to maxing out there stats or are way too young to be even thinking about it. I think AM just needs to make you a mod so you can B1tch smack people in the face....oh wait you do that already hahhaha
    I've thought about other PH guides, see Phera is almost too simple because the sides are so mild. Tren is almost too complicated because some people get major gyno and/or libido problems and some people don't and fixing those problems requires a bunch of ancillaries and they're all hit or miss (more likely to miss lol). You are right with Epi and Halodrol, generally mild enough that a guide isn't very necessary.

    RE: diet and training with the different prohormones, i really don't think it should differ based on the PH you're running but it should differ based on the cycle, the different steroids are tools used to achieve a very specific goal. Like, I have used Superdrol to bulk, and to recomp, and it was incredibly effective in both situations, even though my diet and training were way different. I might even say it was more effective when i did my recomp, because gains on SD are pretty temporary, but if you can use its insane anti-catabolism to shed as much BF as you can in 3-4 weeks, there's no reason for the fat to hop back on when you stop the SD. But obviously i wouldn't tell people to run SD while doing cardio 10 times a week and eating <150g of carbs a day like I was doing.

    My thinking is that the "bulking" and "cutting" titles we give the steroids aren't really accurate and that the diet and training will really determine everything. I've been both lean and badly bloated on both SD (dry) and PP (wet)... I really think it's more diet-dependent than steroid-dependent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    I've thought about other PH guides, see Phera is almost too simple because the sides are so mild. Tren is almost too complicated because some people get major gyno and/or libido problems and some people don't and fixing those problems requires a bunch of ancillaries and they're all hit or miss (more likely to miss lol). You are right with Epi and Halodrol, generally mild enough that a guide isn't very necessary.

    Word.

    RE: diet and training with the different prohormones, i really don't think it should differ based on the PH you're running but it should differ based on the cycle, the different steroids are tools used to achieve a very specific goal. Like, I have used Superdrol to bulk, and to recomp, and it was incredibly effective in both situations, even though my diet and training were way different. I might even say it was more effective when i did my recomp, because gains on SD are pretty temporary, but if you can use its insane anti-catabolism to shed as much BF as you can in 3-4 weeks, there's no reason for the fat to hop back on when you stop the SD. But obviously i wouldn't tell people to run SD while doing cardio 10 times a week and eating <150g of carbs a day like I was doing.

    My thinking is that the "bulking" and "cutting" titles we give the steroids aren't really accurate and that the diet and training will really determine everything. I've been both lean and badly bloated on both SD (dry) and PP (wet)... I really think it's more diet-dependent than steroid-dependent.
    Well, for myself anyway.
    Interesting thought and one that I certainly agree with. I'm an endo so when I eat a surplus I put on muscle and fat...and when I diet down I keep my muscle but it's a bitch to lose that fat (even when bulking I keep my carbs at 150-200g per day, i feel like carbs are responsible for making me a fat a$$). At the end of the day...it's strictly a numbers game...(and whether or not you are on cycle )
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    video of what?
    Of how to inject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickasher View Post
    Of how to inject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim1985 View Post
    i'm sure there are plenty of videos on how to inject steroids on youtube
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    i'm sure there are plenty of videos on how to inject steroids on youtube
    There r plenty of videos on how to inject on youtube. There is so much crazy stuff on youtube it isnt even funny.

    Plus Trauma posted a link how to Z-track inject.
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    What can you say about the need of arimidex on cycle? Is it necessary for 500mg a week test E? Are their substitutes for it? Arimidex is very expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illgixxer View Post
    What can you say about the need of arimidex on cycle? Is it necessary for 500mg a week test E? Are their substitutes for it? Arimidex is very expensive.
    i think arimidex is one of the cheaper? i've seen it for 55 to get you 30mL of 1mg/mL. thats enough to low dose the arimidex on cycle and still have half for pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illgixxer View Post
    What can you say about the need of arimidex on cycle? Is it necessary for 500mg a week test E? Are their substitutes for it? Arimidex is very expensive.
    some people need it more than others, in general you should always have arimidex or at the very least some kind of AI on hand. There's lots of ways to control estrogen, for a while nolva taken during the whole cycle was pretty standard. I have chosen to use a stronger AI, letrozole, but only take a few drops of it everyday and that has been working fine for me, although I wouldn't recommend letro for noobs because it takes a while to figure out which dose you need... it's a MUCH stronger AI than arimidex

    And adex is not expensive at all and certainly not "very expensive"... That would be a problem with your source.
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    Another great article by UnrealMachine... thanks, repped and definitely sticky...

    I am looking forward to read your article about "Unreal Guide Diet and Training while on Cycle"...
  

  
 

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