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    Actual Ban?


    I went to a local supplement shop that has a pretty good selection of PH and DS. The owner told me that he recently received a call telling him that he can no longer sell PH/DS as of January 4, 2010 or he will face criminal charges.

    Is this the date for all shops nationwide or is it just his "turn"?

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    its the date for the ban of bold, phera, tren
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    Thanks.

    I might have misunderstood him, as I thought he meant all of them. Or maybe he's just not taking any chances. I'll have to check next time I go to his shop.
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    Epi is safe?
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    unfortunately epi is not safe, its been discontinued, good luck finding it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post
    unfortunately epi is not safe, its been discontinued, good luck finding it
    What about Havoc?

    It's the same thing, and can still be found many places, including my gym, where it is even out on display with other supplements!
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    you can still find some havoc and easily find E-Stane which are the same compounds but for some reason epi is harder to find
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post
    you can still find some havoc and easily find E-Stane which are the same compounds but for some reason epi is harder to find
    So both are still legal/not on "the list"/not banned yet?
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    I love epi
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    CAFFEINE Anhydrous: 200 MG

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    I would be careful buying that many bottles of anything, as it is also illegal to posses.
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    I wouldn't take it close to bed time.
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    ya my boy has a shop here in CA, still has spawn and tren extreme on his shelf, but says not for long
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    I would be careful buying that many bottles of anything, as it is also illegal to posses.
    For bold, phera, and tren.

    For now, it appears that there are other compounds that are safe (like Epi/Havoc, for example).

    Correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGA3 View Post
    What about Havoc?

    It's the same thing, and can still be found many places, including my gym, where it is even out on display with other supplements!
    You're saying that it's sitting out where anyone that walks in can purchase it?!!!?
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    I know of a guy that literally has cases of each, I mean cases!
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    I have noticed most epi products are discontinued even though you can still purchase them some places
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    I know of a guy that literally has cases of each, I mean cases!
    I'll need this guy's email ASAP
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGA3 View Post
    For bold, phera, and tren.

    For now, it appears that there are other compounds that are safe (like Epi/Havoc, for example).

    Correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    You're saying that it's sitting out where anyone that walks in can purchase it?!!!?
    Yep.

    Locked up, but on display in a glass case with other supplements.
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    Why bold of all things? I mean really you don't hear about idiot kids killing themselves with it. It's pretty much the safest effective PH out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpfisher View Post
    Why bold of all things? I mean really you don't hear about idiot kids killing themselves with it. It's pretty much the safest effective PH out there.
    bold has tren in it and tren is in the ban list
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post
    bold has tren in it and tren is in the ban list
    They banned the actual "bold" compound, 1,4 ADD. Most likely because there are actual studies done on it.
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    Well I know what I'm getting as an xmas present to myself now. That stuff was a godsend for my tendons.
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    gotta love it and they left superdrol on the market! i really dont understand bold either. but hey maybe it will be like the last ban and we can have the other stuff for another 4-5yrs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post
    bold has tren in it and tren is in the ban list
    actually thats not correct... I was speaking of spawn not bold... my bad
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    if you read the article, it shows the dea failed to prove tren (pro dienolone) and boldione matched the description of a class 3 substance and deserving to be banned.

    and when the other end pointed this out, the dea pretty much stated nope, they say it does, and thats that.

    they are right, no matter what science says. wft is science for anyways?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    if you read the article, it shows the dea failed to prove tren (pro dienolone) and boldione matched the description of a class 3 substance and deserving to be banned.

    and when the other end pointed this out, the dea pretty much stated nope, they say it does, and thats that.

    they are right, no matter what science says. wft is science for anyways?
    Not surprising. The same was the case when the first AAS ban went into affect.

    The supp guy in the front of my gym has spawn and a bunch of other clones out on display, they'll probably be up after the ban.
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    u guys really liked epi? that stuff was trash. 2 cycles of it with PCT between them and i got no gains period. i went to the shop wher i bought it and told the guy my review on it and he said a lot of people didnt really see gains, he stopped sellin it. I mean its good considering its an anti-estro but its methyl ingredient had no effect on me. i didnt even see one side effect, thats how bad it was. but the guy probably got a bad batch. Anyway, as they mentioned above, only a few PHs gonna get banned. But they always come back with a different name. Look at Decabolen, stakabol had the exact same ingredients and stak got banned but deca is still legal and all the superdrol clones too
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    Quote Originally Posted by phatmike0704 View Post
    u guys really liked epi? that stuff was trash. 2 cycles of it with PCT between them and i got no gains period. i went to the shop wher i bought it and told the guy my review on it and he said a lot of people didnt really see gains, he stopped sellin it. I mean its good considering its an anti-estro but its methyl ingredient had no effect on me. i didnt even see one side effect, thats how bad it was. but the guy probably got a bad batch. Anyway, as they mentioned above, only a few PHs gonna get banned. But they always come back with a different name. Look at Decabolen, stakabol had the exact same ingredients and stak got banned but deca is still legal and all the superdrol clones too

    haha it didn't work b/c you got no sides? haha I get no sides with epi either but it works great for me. Some people don't react at all or react very little to compounds just b/c it didn't work for you doesn't mean it's trash
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    Quote Originally Posted by JN230 View Post
    gotta love it and they left superdrol on the market! i really dont understand bold either. but hey maybe it will be like the last ban and we can have the other stuff for another 4-5yrs
    Thing is, no one is taking any chances with all the lawsuits and the FDA scrutiny. Everything seems discontinued and I can think of only one product that may not be and it is a true pro-hormone. What's left in stock may be all that will ever be for these gray area steroids.
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    So I went back to the shop yesterday. Again, the owner didn't really want to talk too much, but he's basically selling the rest of his stock of PH/DS and not selling ANY after Januray 4th. I reminded him that it's only a few that have actually been banned, but he kind of ignored me.

    Sounds to me like somebody has been leaning on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phatmike0704 View Post
    u guys really liked epi? that stuff was trash. 2 cycles of it with PCT between them and i got no gains period. i went to the shop wher i bought it and told the guy my review on it and he said a lot of people didnt really see gains, he stopped sellin it. I mean its good considering its an anti-estro but its methyl ingredient had no effect on me. i didnt even see one side effect, thats how bad it was. but the guy probably got a bad batch. Anyway, as they mentioned above, only a few PHs gonna get banned. But they always come back with a different name. Look at Decabolen, stakabol had the exact same ingredients and stak got banned but deca is still legal and all the superdrol clones too
    what?

    I would guess you "got no gains" because you dont know how thing about steroids. as your post implies.

    stakabol sucked. i ran a free cycle of it. decabolen was better quality.

    and stakabol isn't banned. just the pheraplex in it. they can just do like the makers of decabolen did a long time ago, and have just sd/hd in it. it will work just as good probably.

    i dont care what is legal and isn't. you can still get your hands on it no matter what.
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