Any new thoughts on M-Dien?
- 03-19-2004, 03:41 PM
- 03-19-2004, 07:24 PM
Originally Posted by propho
- 03-19-2004, 08:00 PM
[QUOTE=why should m-dien be any different? [/QUOTE]
cuz it's a different chemical compound. And like you, i'm on day 9 with nothing to report except a distended belly. i'm hoping the gains will start sometime around day 14.
03-19-2004, 08:39 PM
well if mikepick ran it for 2 weeks and all it did was shut down natural test then it makes me really iffy.. I hope sledge gets back to me because I may just want to return it and get m1t from him.. it seems like it's not really working for anyone..
03-19-2004, 10:57 PM
yeah two friends of mine are running 3 mg a day at about 2 weeks time im guessing both and niether reported any gains...
03-19-2004, 11:22 PM
So how exactly are you noticing that you're natural test is shut down?Originally Posted by mikepick
03-20-2004, 12:42 AM
testicle atrophy and decreased sex driveOriginally Posted by supersoldier
03-20-2004, 12:48 AM
I was really hopeful when I read pro's log on m-dien. it seemed like it was going to be like m1t but without the sides. I'm 5'7" 190 11-12%bf two months clean from a 3wk m1t cycle, I think 4mgs of m-dien is plenty enough for me to respond if it actually worked.
03-20-2004, 09:12 AM
Sledge, when are we going to get the results in the newsletter? I'm getting a little impatient now.
03-20-2004, 09:20 AM
Seems to me MIT is still the superior product.Too bad cause i was really pumped about Mdien.
03-20-2004, 10:37 AM
Actually, I would say the results aren't in yet. The only two completed full length cycles (Prolangtum and Sifu) went well and they were pleased, and liked it more than 4-OHN. Everything else is guys bitching because they haven't seen results in a week, or unfirtunately the cases where DS had the MD fall out of solution, like with Scottyo. If MD is a lean mass builder without water retention, it makes sense that results will occur slower and be less pronounced than M1-T (maybe it will have a place as a great cutting supp). The only PH dud I've seen lately is M-4AD.
Now the situation with BK over at bb.com is much more serious, as people are claiming his 1mg pills are seriously underdosed, and he is tossing back insults rather than addressing the problem like a businessman should.
I think with Sledge's product, we should watch a few more logs (like Scottyos) go to full term (1 month) before the decision is rendered. I have an investment here as well, but I'm not about to throw the powder out.......yet.
03-20-2004, 11:37 AM
you look at pro's log and in a week he was up 5lbs. me at day 10 nothing. if this **** is going to work I and the others should have noticed something by now. be patient yeah whatever it's more like beware of m-dien.Originally Posted by Skark
03-20-2004, 11:52 AM
well people's bodies do react differently to different substances.. but I will be keeping a close eye on scottyo's log because he just hit the 2 week mark and said he's noticing some strength increases now..
03-20-2004, 12:14 PM
Just this morning at Avant, Pro reitterated how potent he thought the stuff was, and he is pretty maxed out muscle wise.Originally Posted by mikepick
Whose product are you using? Did you get stuck with the flavored MD from Sledge that fell out of solution? If so, he'll replace it free. Or are you using the Kilo stuff that is being suspected as being severely underdosed? Sledge had his product tested, Kilo did not.
03-20-2004, 12:16 PM
We need to get Scotty to comment when he started over with the un-flavored batch? Since he was using the bad batch at first, it could be that the first week or 10 days are irrelavent.Originally Posted by propho
03-20-2004, 02:32 PM
I will be switching over to Sldge's M-Dien from M14ADD on monday and running it for 4 weeks at 4mg/day. Details in my log in Cycle info if anyone is intrested.
BTW, The powder Sldge used for the betas tested out 98%pure. It was truly a flavoring problem. We should start to hear better feedback soon.
03-20-2004, 02:57 PM
Well, Bruce claims the first Kilo of M-dien was only 60% and that they didn't use it. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen. Bruce is an interesting fellow, I don't know enough about him to say one way or the other. Martin on the other hand has treated me well, so I would like to think he wouldn't be a party to ripping people off, at least not to his knowledge.
03-20-2004, 03:06 PM
Did he say that the flavored ones are not up to par with doses or something?Originally Posted by Skark
Thats what my 2 buds are using, maybe thats why.... one of them also said in the syringe there was like floating red stuff once?
not using it myself so i cant say, but i was the one who showed them the threads on it so i feel kinda bad if they got stuck with something that was a dud.
03-20-2004, 03:08 PM
Do you not take breaks between cycles?Originally Posted by Lean One
03-20-2004, 03:31 PM
Hell no! Prolagtum doesn't why should I? JK On monday, I'll be 3 weeks into my M14ADD cycle. I want to try M-Dien while I'm still on, and if I start Monday I can do it for a good 4 weeks. The entire cycle will last 7 weeks. 8 if I like the way It's going. Then It's clomid and clen for PCT. and a nice break.Originally Posted by lancelot
03-20-2004, 04:03 PM
I have posted this everywhere, if you placed an order between Feb 25 and march 1st and you feel your batch isnt working I will be happy to replace it. I know there was only one weak batch a total of 18 bottles, but I will always stand by my work so it isnt a problem.
Just remember this isnt the same as M1T, although the gains form it should be good, not everyone will react the same way prolangtum does. I really believe this will help more in changing body comp then it will be like adding 10lbs in 7 days like m1t.
03-20-2004, 04:25 PM
As far as I know Sifu never used M-Dien. Maybe you're thinking of Loki?Originally Posted by Skark
03-20-2004, 04:31 PM
Thanks Sledge.. like I said on the bb forum two thumbs up to you! Seems like you are the only one that actually cares about their customers.. I don't see anybody else posting anything regarding their m-dien product!Originally Posted by Designer Supps
03-20-2004, 05:40 PM
My bad......when Sifu was commenting to Pro about the comparison between MD and 4-OHN, it sounded like he had done both.Originally Posted by supersoldier
Loki huh? Does he have a log of his experiences somewhere?
03-20-2004, 05:41 PM
I think at Avant, but I'm not sure. The URL filter at my work blocks Avant and almost every other forum now. I think it would be an old thread.
03-20-2004, 05:43 PM
I got four bottles of the unflavored betas and I havent tried them yet and dont plan on it for about 2 more weeks. I ordered them on the 27th of Feburary. What would you recommend I do with them? I dont want to get stuck with babby **** if I can help it prior to taking it.
03-20-2004, 05:45 PM
Well think about the fact that Bruce used to write for T-mag as Brock Strasser, so you know the guy isn't 100% honest, plus he knows all about shady marketing tactics.......Myostat anyoneOriginally Posted by Sir Foxx
03-20-2004, 05:45 PM
Are they glass bottles with no label and a dropper or plastic bottles with labels and oral syringes, or something different?Originally Posted by db682
03-20-2004, 05:50 PM
I'm currently using kilo's. I did use sledges first unflavored batch for 2 wks with no results. sledge replaced that with the flavored one which I haven;t tried yetOriginally Posted by Skark
03-20-2004, 05:54 PM
Scotty just reported that he started the new batch last Saturday. So his results break down as:Originally Posted by Skark
Under-dosed Bad batch (3/1 to 3/12): gained 2 lbs
Replacement batch (3/13 to 3/19): gained 2 lbs
So obviously he is seeing increased results using the correctly dosed batch (2 lbs in 6 days). Check out his log, he has a few interesting things to say about MD.
03-20-2004, 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by supersoldier
mine are in the plastic bottles, other than the flavoring whats the difference?
03-20-2004, 05:57 PM
From what I understand, its the flavored batch that is the problem. Check with Sledge on that. As far as kilo's product.......there are certainly questions thereOriginally Posted by mikepick
03-20-2004, 06:09 PM
No dropper or syringes here bro. I got what resemables a small lotion bottle. Theyre blue plastic bottles with a lid that has a cap that you push down on one side and the other side pops up slightly. No means of measureing what so ever but Im not worried about that aspect. (I have plenty of Oral Syringes and syringe stoppers for bottles so I can just pull out what I need.) It has a label but its a regular computer printed label in black and white that just says:Originally Posted by supersoldier
"Methyl-Dein Beta Version
1 mg/ml 1-3ml daily dose
Im not to concerned about the asthetics of the packaging. Im concerned about whats inside the packaging itself. Sldge is an excellant businessman and Im sure he'll have a solution for me.
03-20-2004, 06:26 PM
Didn't find a Loki log at Avant.....searched all the way back before Christmas.Originally Posted by supersoldier
03-20-2004, 06:29 PM
I have four bottles of the stuff as well, in the blue bottle with the black plastic popup lid. I ordered mine within the timespan mentioned, and would also like to know whether I should go about trying to have it replaced before I try it out. I have about 6 more weeks before I plan on cycling again, so no big rush there.
03-20-2004, 06:48 PM
Just thought I'd chime in here, having jumped feet first into M-Dien myself.
I've been using the substance now for about 2 weeks. 2mg/day the first week and 3mg/day for the 2nd. The results thus far have not been particularly impressive, I'm cutting, so I wouldn't expect any serious weight gain, however I did notice that a pound and a half or so came on over the first week, but I was also visibly puffier so I am fairly certain it was water weight. Strength has improved slightly, and pumps are slightly larger than usual, but not to the extent I've noticed on any other substance.
Having just read this thread, I'm hoping that it's the case that I just have one of the bad m-dien betas, as the time frame is about right and my bottles are flavored. I shot off a msg to sledge so hopefully it's a problem with the solution and not the chemical itself or my physiology
03-20-2004, 06:57 PM
That's the one I'm on now, but sldge threw in some oral syringes for me. I guess he just likes me best . I've been on for 10 days with this batch.Originally Posted by db682
03-20-2004, 10:23 PM
mine are glass bottles.. /w oral syringes.. I'm guessing it's a newer batch?
03-20-2004, 10:55 PM
Yo Supersoldier, are you doing any bloodwok on yourself while going through this cycle of m-dien like you did with the m1t?
03-20-2004, 10:59 PM
Absolutely, but you gotta talk to Sldge.Originally Posted by yelis300
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