M1T and 4ad

  1. M1T and 4ad


    I want to do a M1T cycle for 4 weeks at 10mg/ed. I also want to add in some 4ad to combat the lathargy and keep some test in my body. Which would be better to use the 4ad transdermal or 4ad cyp


  2. Good idea with 4ad, I highly recommend adding it to m1t. They will both work, it's just a preference. Some guys prefer to pin, some prefer transdermals. I doubt there is much difference in effectiveness, but obviously you will need less (mg per mg) with the cyp and more with a dermal.

  3. What kind of dosages would I be looking at. Mgs for both please.

    Also because this is only a 4 weeker would it be a better idea to use the dermal being as the cyp might take a while to kick in?
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by juststarting
    What kind of dosages would I be looking at. Mgs for both please.

    Also because this is only a 4 weeker would it be a better idea to use the dermal being as the cyp might take a while to kick in?
    For the dermal I would go with 400-500mg a day.....just one mans opinion, since every body reacts differently to androgens and also according to your goals.

  5. I use 200mg 4AD/ 80mg 4OHT (per day) dermal stacked with m1t. I don't think you need that much 4ad just to combat lethargy & loss of libido. The m1t is what will give you real nice size/strength gains.

    Not sure about cyp dosages.

  6. I thought about the 4OHT because you can put it in the same dermal bottle but I wasn't sure if I needed or should use it at all with the M1T
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  7. I like adding the OHT because it seems to help me with sides. It also helps a little with the bloat. Its 6x the price per gram as 4ad, so you certainly don't need it. Its not as anabolic as 4ad.

  8. I will consider it but I need to do a little more research.

    Thanks for the replies so far

  9. Bump on adding the 4OHT to your dermal. I'm currently doing a 4 week cycle with M-1T at 10m ed, and 4AD/OHT dermal. My sides are very slight. I had some minor bloating, not near as much as my cycle without the 4OHT, and some slight back cramping. I have had no lethargy, headaches, nose bleeds, etc. I did experience some minor aggression last week. People really seemed to get under my skin easy, and was a little moody.

    I just began my third week and am up 12 pounds. Strength has increased, added vascularity, and muscle hardness.

    The 4OHT is expensive. I purchased 11 grams to get it at, I think, $5.00 per gram from BN. I mixed 2.5 grams in a bottle of T-4 I had laying around.
  

  
 

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