M1T and 4ad
- 03-16-2004, 04:29 PM
- 03-16-2004, 04:34 PM
Good idea with 4ad, I highly recommend adding it to m1t. They will both work, it's just a preference. Some guys prefer to pin, some prefer transdermals. I doubt there is much difference in effectiveness, but obviously you will need less (mg per mg) with the cyp and more with a dermal.
- 03-16-2004, 04:39 PM
What kind of dosages would I be looking at. Mgs for both please.
Also because this is only a 4 weeker would it be a better idea to use the dermal being as the cyp might take a while to kick in?
03-16-2004, 04:56 PM
For the dermal I would go with 400-500mg a day.....just one mans opinion, since every body reacts differently to androgens and also according to your goals.Originally Posted by juststarting
03-16-2004, 05:57 PM
I use 200mg 4AD/ 80mg 4OHT (per day) dermal stacked with m1t. I don't think you need that much 4ad just to combat lethargy & loss of libido. The m1t is what will give you real nice size/strength gains.
Not sure about cyp dosages.
03-17-2004, 12:25 AM
I thought about the 4OHT because you can put it in the same dermal bottle but I wasn't sure if I needed or should use it at all with the M1T
03-17-2004, 10:08 PM
03-18-2004, 10:40 AM
I like adding the OHT because it seems to help me with sides. It also helps a little with the bloat. Its 6x the price per gram as 4ad, so you certainly don't need it. Its not as anabolic as 4ad.
03-18-2004, 04:08 PM
03-19-2004, 01:41 AM
Bump on adding the 4OHT to your dermal. I'm currently doing a 4 week cycle with M-1T at 10m ed, and 4AD/OHT dermal. My sides are very slight. I had some minor bloating, not near as much as my cycle without the 4OHT, and some slight back cramping. I have had no lethargy, headaches, nose bleeds, etc. I did experience some minor aggression last week. People really seemed to get under my skin easy, and was a little moody.
I just began my third week and am up 12 pounds. Strength has increased, added vascularity, and muscle hardness.
The 4OHT is expensive. I purchased 11 grams to get it at, I think, $5.00 per gram from BN. I mixed 2.5 grams in a bottle of T-4 I had laying around.
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