4-OH Deca

[prime]

Has anyone ever tried this product? I can only find it made by VPX, which I don't like, but it sounds interesting. I plan on doing a 30 day 1-AD cycle in a couple weeks and wondered if it would be of any benefit to add this to the last 20 days of it? $53.99 for 20 servings... kinda high... anyone know anything about it? BTW, I did searches on multiple boards and couldn't find anything... Thanks

 

[sifu]

Why are you using 1AD? There are far better options out there.

 

[prime]

It's my first cycle, and I want to try out a good oral product. I'll go for a transdermal on my next cycle, but for now I'm going to start with pills.

 

[sifu]

I wouldn't advize 4OH deca for a first cycle.

 

[prime]

Thanks for the heads up. I'm open to any advice... what's your reason for not stacking it on the first cycle? As I said I couldn't find any real info on it, but the sides associated with it seemed very low. Do you think it's too potent for beginners even at only 100mg per day?

 

[sifu]

Well it is methylated, and it is a strong compound for a first cycle. Try T1 or T1 Pro, you won't be disapointed.

 

[prime]

(4,17beta-hydroxy-4-en-3-one decanoate) I don't see where you're getting that this is a methyl product??

 

[prime]

Does anyone else have any info or experience with this product?

 

[sifu]

My bad, I was thinking of a different product, late night

 

[maggmaster]

Not methylated but definitely esterfied which means even though they sell it as an oral its actually an injectable. 5ccs a week would be a good dose maybe even 4 but the guys are right not on a first cycle and NOT stacked with 1ad. 1 test is very suppressive and nors are normally pretty supressive so youd have a pretty limp noodle in my estimation. Get some 4ad either oral or better yet transdermal to toss in with your 1ad. Your GF or wife or porno collection will thank you.

 

[DevilSmack]

Why not use 4-OH Deca on a first cycle? It's not that potent. I say take the 1-AD and inject the 4-OH Deca and get back to us on the results.

 

[BIGAINS]

Injecting 4ad cyp or prop and OH-deca would be a good stack, but the oral availibility sucks. Unless methalated usually only about 10% will survive the liver if taken orally. Id say that 4AD@1000-1500mg/week and OHnandrolone@200-400mg/week would work well. For the 4ad check ot dessignersupps.

 

[bigswole30]

Please do not inject VPX 4-OHD. I will not go into the arguing about rather or not they are injectables, but I will admit first hand that you do not want to inject the 4-OHD. That would be a big mistake.

 

[stryder]

Please do not inject VPX 4-OHD. I will not go into the arguing about rather or not they are injectables, but I will admit first hand that you do not want to inject the 4-OHD. That would be a big mistake.

What were your experiences that makes you so adamantly against it?

 

[bigswole30]

What were your experiences that makes you so adamantly against it?

I had to cut off my right arm. Just kidding, but it did severely mess up my shoulder. I mentioned it to the owner to bc we know people are pinning some of these products. I am not the first to report this either. If you want a great OHD product check out www.hmgear.com.

 

[hogiejoe]

I had to cut off my right arm. Just kidding, but it did severely mess up my shoulder. I mentioned it to the owner to bc we know people are pinning some of these products. I am not the first to report this either. If you want a great OHD product check out www.hmgear.com.[/QUOTE]

swole,
that is a pretty interesting link, how much would you recommend to dose if you were going to pin it?

 

[bigswole30]

Which product? The OHD would be anywhere from 400-800mg per week.

 

[Saggy]

What type of dosage would be good for the hydroxytest? Also would that stack well with test enanthate? Would 400mg/week be good to start with?
Saggy

 

[DevilSmack]

Bigswole, I just ordered VPX's 4-HT Cypionate and I planned on injecting it. Have you had any problems with it? I do not want to take it orally. If I can't shoot it I may return it and just buy some base 4-hydroxyTest to mix in my transdermal formula.

 

[jjjd]

the thing i take issue is (and i realize these advertisements for supps are prone to hyperbole, unsupported claims, etc.) is the claim that OHT has no negative effects on HPTA. we would all LOVE that to be true. but the evidence is thin AT best. i think that is a dangerously bold statement to make.

 

[Sldge]

I would start with 750mgs per week. with the cyp you may want to front load the first week with 400mgs for the first 5 days straight.

 

[DevilSmack]

I checked out hmgear.com, they use decanoate esters for every product except their 1-T. I'll pass and order from sledge when he get's his hydroxytest cyp product out.
I don't like long esters, prop and cyp esters are fine with me.

A rep from hmgear said to me in an e-mail that he got an infection and fever from injecting the VPX hydroxytest cyp product becase according to him it isn't sterile. I don't know what to think. Maybe when I get my VPX 4-OH-T in the mail, I'll have to send it back because if I can't inject it, I don't want it.

Bigswole30, any comments?

 

[bigswole30]

I checked out hmgear.com, they use decanoate esters for every product except their 1-T. I'll pass and order from sledge when he get's his hydroxytest cyp product out.
I don't like long esters, prop and cyp esters are fine with me.

A rep from hmgear said to me in an e-mail that he got an infection and fever from injecting the VPX hydroxytest cyp product becase according to him it isn't sterile. I don't know what to think. Maybe when I get my VPX 4-OH-T in the mail, I'll have to send it back because if I can't inject it, I don't want it.

Bigswole30, any comments?

Our products are meant to be taken orally!!!! Wink....wink. The OHT is not the most painless solution, but it definitely sterile.

 

[DevilSmack]

Thank's Bigswole30, I'm not looking forward to using it in an unconventional way now, but at least I don't have to worry about infections. I guess 200mg/ml is pushing it for this product. Hope it will pass thru a 25g pin.

Bigswole30, have you used this product alone or in a stack? How where your results?

 

[enash]

I had to cut off my right arm. Just kidding, but it did severely mess up my shoulder. I mentioned it to the owner to bc we know people are pinning some of these products. I am not the first to report this either. If you want a great OHD product check out www.hmgear.com.

They are actually out of the oh-deca at hmgear, which leads me to believe it is selling like hotcakes and must be good. So you say you wouldn't pin the VPX but you would pin the hmgear? Is it sterile and (relatively) painless?
I'm very curious about this product but hesitant to pin something it says to take orally. Is this strictly a 'wink wink' oral product that is widely used for pinning?

 

[bigswole30]

It is WINK.....WINK type of product. I am not sure what the problem is with VPX OHD, but it will rough you up.

 

[DevilSmack]

Just got the VPX 4-HydroxyTest Cyp in the mail and there is no way im injecting this stuff, it's as thick as mud!

 

[bigswole30]

Just got the VPX 4-HydroxyTest Cyp in the mail and there is no way im injecting this stuff, it's as thick as mud!

Come on don't be a baby. Just kidding. It is a different type solution and many have complained about how painful it is.

 

[N4cer]

I've not had great pain with the VPX 4-HT, but both of my bottles were crashed. So when I pin it, I don't know how much I'm getting. But I'm sure as hell not gonna take it orally.

 

[DevilSmack]

I've not had great pain with the VPX 4-HT, but both of my bottles were crashed. So when I pin it, I don't know how much I'm getting. But I'm sure as hell not gonna take it orally.

How long have you been injecting 4-HT Cyp? Are you using it alone or in a stack, and what kind of results are you getting?