8 week m1t cycle
- 02-21-2004, 09:28 AM
8 week m1t cycle
anyone try any thing like this? i was thinking of a 8 week cycle using a 4AD/1,4AD transdermal ed with 20mg of m1t used 2 days on 2 days off (split into 2 10mg doses). always had a propensity for longer cycles and thinking this might avoid the heavy m1t shutdown but would it be in system long enough for gains?
- 02-21-2004, 09:54 AM
Shutdown occurs within the first week, no matter what dose. 20mg for 8 weeks might be overkill. I suggest 10mg ED. I don't know why you would take it every other day, since it doesn't last that long in the body.
- 02-21-2004, 10:13 AM
Do you think the gains for phs would be worth it vs the shutdown for 8 weeks?
Also isn't the norm to use methylated orals for 4-6 weeks max?
I wouldn't use your stack for 8 weeks unless I were using real steroid injectables and limit orals to 4 weeks for a jump start.
02-21-2004, 10:14 AM
And I hardly think a 2day on 2day off regime is going to help in anyway w/regards to HPTA shutdown.
02-21-2004, 11:19 AM
I know what you guys are saying, my thoughts were that if the rule of thumb is to be off as long as you're on, the 2 on 2 off would satisfy this and perhaps avoid the HPTA shutdown all together and minumize liver toxicity. It would still be equal to 4 weeks on just spread out over 8. Just an idea that hit and wondered if anyone had tried it. Last cycle was 3 weeks and strength gains kept comming but weight gains all came in first 5 days.
02-21-2004, 11:31 AM
i don't think there is any way possible to avoid the suppression. you may only be using m1t for 4 weeks, but you will still have it in your system for 8 weeks anyways, so i don't really think it would make a difference.
02-21-2004, 12:20 PM
8 weeks m1t is a little long in my book. A four week cycle will be all you can stand. Try it, you will see. M1t is harsh ****. On/Off every 2 days for 8 long weeks is rreally a bad idea as well. Unless your goal is to have a screwed up endocrine system.
Since you are stacking it you could run 10-15mg ed for four weeks and see massive gains. With a proper PCT you can and will keep a large portion. I know i did it with 2on/2off/3on. At 3 weeks i had enough of the sides but plenty of gains.
Just use a basic cycle. These guys really know what they are doing on AM. I was skeptical and thought i was smarter than these guys. I was wrong. You should listen to the moderators every word. Do a search on each moderator and take their advice that they have posted too many times too post again. They will not steer you wrong.
Sorry, i got carried away for a second. Not flaming you, just preaching about the fine information that has been posted here on AM.
02-21-2004, 12:30 PM
If you want to do a long cycle, you can do 8 weeks transdermal and do M1T for the last four weeks. Some say do it at the beginning, but i say do it at the end of the cycle, so you get a full synergystic effect with the transdermals working at full force as well.
Or you could space on off periods throughout the 8 weeks and use a higher dosage (20mg), first two weeks transdermal only then do 2on/2off/2on and start PCT.
A lower dosage of m1t should be used if you plan on going for longer periods than 2 weeks.
02-21-2004, 01:33 PM
Ok guys, i do appreciate your advice. It sound like it may be best to stick with the tried and true method. I'm just always looking for a better mouse trap I guess and was hopeing to get the benies without the negitives. Guess I'll repeat the last cycle I did, 3 weeks at 20mg (I'm 6'4" and 255). Hope this one will finish better then last, had to skip PCT as I wound up in ER with a severe kidney infection and couldn't eat or hardly get out of bed for a week, dropped 12 lb in 5 days on zero calorie diet and 102 plus fever. Got 5 back and ready to go at it again now.
02-21-2004, 02:27 PM
I think it needs to be looked as more than just 'shutdown' sure after a week of m1t LH output is reduced, but the tests are still primed to produce. So recovery is faster after a 2 week cycle rather than a 6 week cycle. Even though LH output is reduced within days of starting m1t.
02-23-2004, 10:37 AM
Another candidate for the Darwinian Award?Originally Posted by azgymrat
02-23-2004, 11:27 AM
Originally Posted by Rokdog
02-23-2004, 11:29 AM
Now sure this comment is worth responding to, but perhaps you think doing PCT with Nolva when your kidneys have you that sick is a good idea. If so, if you find yourself in that situation then go for it - good luck though. Personally I'll accept the loses and get through the antibiotics (which were a mentholated sulfa drug) and go on from there. Also there was no relation between the m1t and the kidney problem, they speculate it was from a stone moving around and wrecking havoc.Originally Posted by Rokdog
02-23-2004, 11:31 AM
I think he had the thought the kidney issues were related to the m-1-t. I thought that as well, couldn't believe you'd want to risk another problem using m-1-t if that was the case.Originally Posted by azgymrat
Since it is not, good luck!
02-23-2004, 12:01 PM
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02-23-2004, 03:57 PM
I take it back. My comment was directed at your willingness to start another cycle with a known kidney problem. If your doctor prescribed a mentholated sulfa drug, he was probably worried that the infection had traveled to your prostate. If your healthy, then go for it. But I"m with Mr. Cricket on the cycle. I think you will find that 8 weeks M1T is too long. Good luck to you.Originally Posted by azgymrat
02-23-2004, 04:12 PM
That was my thought originally too but the Doc shot that down when I suggested it. Did a search and asked for input but no one seemed to be able to relate it to any experience. Just bad timing I guess although if it were to re-occur with a second cycle of m1t I'll have a couple of grams to sell or trade. Sure would hate to think I'm dying again cuz it sucked the big one. Sorry if I got defensive but my ex-wife had me convinced I'd already evolved - from a jackass into a dick and change is always difficult.Originally Posted by houseman
02-24-2004, 12:32 AM
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I personally think the cycle has potential. It will not starve off any HPTA suppression in any way, because the 4AD/1,4AD trans will be suppressive on top of the M1T, but it should be a lot better on the liver than M1T ed for 8 weeks. I origionally thought that M1T had a very short half life, but I'm not so sure anymore because for the first 3 days of my PCT I was still getting wicked pumps and great strength. You might wanna take it every day for the first week, and then go to 2 days on, 2 off. I'd be interested in the cycle logOriginally Posted by azgymrat
02-24-2004, 09:05 AM
Perhaps that may be worth trying? Kinda frontload it the first week. Got a few days left before I've been off for the 3 weeks I was on, maybe a 4 weeker with that patern and see where it leaves me. Also, because of the kidney thing I didn't do the usual PCT and while I dumped a ton of weight first 5 day's (maybe 1000 cals. for those 5 days total) this was my second rotation back in the gym and only off by 3 reps on heavy sets (315 for 7 reps instead of 10 on incline bench) so strength wise no PCT hasn't devistated me like I was afraid it would. Would never recomend skipping it, perhaps just the law of individual differences.Originally Posted by supersoldier
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