Which steroid/PH impressed you the most, and which disappointed the most?

[UnrealMachine]

I am just curious about how well people respond to different anabolics. So based on what you were expecting, which one exceeded expectations, and which one failed to live up to expectations?

I will try to keep a running tally. The goal here is data-gathering.

MOST IMPRESSIVE

"Tren" (19-nor)
jambarino
Liftingstud (stacked with Epi)
Royd the Noyd
ecosocialist (stacked with PP)
qwerty33
flightposite
opr8r

Epi/Havoc
Andy G (stacked w/4ad)
Liftingstud (stacked with Tren)
gabecamp
tnubs
AE14 (stacked with andro)
RenegadeRows

1-AD
gabecamp
cmc
AE14 (stacked with havoc)
Rodja

PP
Trauma1
ecosocialist (stacked with Tren)
supersize77

SD
UnrealMachine
henryhavoc
neverstop

Trenadrol
bigpapa

Tren Ace
Royd the Noyd

Hdrol

The One

M1A
Iron Lungz

Testosterone
neverstop (500-750mg)



MOST DISAPPOINTING

Epi/Havoc
UnrealMachine (no gains)
bigpapa (stacked with Furaz, compounds too weak, lethargy)
nosnmiveins (water weight, dry joints)
Suryoyo (no gains)

SD
Royd the Noyd (shutdown, sides)
ecosocialist (loss of appetite, poor gains)
tnubs (BP problems)
RenegadeRows (felt sick)
Iron Lungz (felt sick)

"Tren" (19-nor)
Andy G (sides)

1-AD
jambarino (allergic)

Testosterone
Royd the Noyd (no gains)

The One
gabecamp (no weight gain)

Hdrol
flightposite (sides, few gains)

PP

Trenadrol

Tren Ace
neverstop (poison)

Ergomax-LMG (phera isomer)
supersize77 (weak)

Furazadrol
AE14 (too weak)

M1T
Rodja (sides, shutdown)
neverstop (M1T = poison)




Some posts I'm having a real hard time integrating into this format. I will consider the change TexasTitan suggested. It'll prolly stay like this for now.

Again, I am looking for steroids that impressed you, based on your expectations. Not the best one or the worst one. Basically, I am asking which one your body responded the best to, and which one your body responded the worst to.

 

[Liftingstud]

Epi with tren

now sd w/ phera only day 2 but this could be best so far... Only time will tell.

Haven't run test but hear that is the best.

 

[Iron Lungz]

**I will reserve this spot to provide my opinion(s) when I have more time.

Unreal, why don't you start this off strong and give us your take/opinion on the question that you raised? I am interested.

 

[UnrealMachine]

**I will reserve this spot to provide my opinion(s) when I have more time.

Unreal, why don't you start this off strong and give us your take/opinion on the question that you raised? I am interested.

I feel about half the compounds i've tried exerted minimal effects on me because of my inherent response, or simply insufficient dosing (hdrol, zol = no gains, minor hardening. Trenadrol = ran 2 weeks and felt nothing). But while all of these disappointed me greatly, Epi disappointed me the most because it gave me plenty of EFFECTS, just no GAINS.

Most disappointing = Epi/Havoc. Because I first ran it on a cut, i got better pumps and vascularity and figured it was working well. When I ran it on a bulk, i was so angry, I lifted hard and ate so much and was rewarded with about 5 pounds of fat from the extra calories, and 0 strength gains. I was getting better pumps, better muscle hardness, better vascularity. The gains would not come. I only ran 30/30/40/40 though.

Most impressive = Superdrol. Superdrol saved my Epi cycle, i switched to SD and I instantly started gaining weight and strength faster than ever in my life. After no progress on Epi... I gained 15 pounds of weight and 50+ pounds on my bench from the superdrol 10/20/20/30 cycle. I felt great the entire time, only sides were a few backpumps.
I then proceeded to lose most of the gains about as rapidly as they came. I kept about 9 pounds but had to eat so much that I gained some fat. Strength was still elevated but my awesome #s on bench plummeted pretty quick. Since then I have been thinking of ways to incorporate Superdrol in more of a jumpstart fashion, and also to pulse it to increase cycle length and make the gains more keepable.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Unreal, to me it just sounds like you bail on cycles too quickly.

 

[UnrealMachine]

Well I've tried a few that "work" well on me, SD, PP, i start gaining weight immediately, hardness comes in a few days, vascularity increases and by the end of a week 1 I can see a difference, by week 2 i'm making significant strength gains and the weight gains keep coming slowly but surely.

With Hdrol I ran 50/50/50/50 and made no gains. I bridged into a bottle of Zol and went up to 250mg where I felt a little tighter, but again made no gains. I had thought that I lost maybe 1% bodyfat from that cycle. I looked again at my before and after pics and I can't tell them apart. It was a waste of time.

With Trenadrol i didn't see the point in continuing. If i'm getting nothing after 2 weeks (and i was doing 3 caps a day) of an oral steroid with a very short half life, something is wrong. No pumps, no hardness, no nothing. I felt kinda suppressed... tells me that whatever the compound is in trenadrol (as no on knows), my body doesn't like it very much.

With Epi if i cannot make any gains during the third week, at 40mg, there's no point in continuing. Why take a liver toxic substance that will suppress me if it isn't causing gains?


Anyway, I did not make this thread to talk solely about my experience, or do defend my previous cycle decisions.

I made this thread to collect data about everyone else. I'm waiting.

 

[jambarino]

best expierence-a tren clone.ran it 90/120/120/120/120.gained 12 lbs and kept 8 of it.strength gains were almost too good.tweaked my shoulder from benching and getting stronger too quick.bench went from 315x2 to 315x7 with a max of 370.finally curled 135 and got it 4 times.many pr's set.sides werent too bad but had a few.

worst expierience-well a 1-andro clone due to the fact im allergic to this compound and couldnt run it.i was itching all over and first dose resulted in body flushing.took me three days to figure out what it was.but i didnt get alot out of hdrol either.even at 100mg just didnt feel much from it.

 

[Andy G]

My best oral/PH cycle in the past two years was Epistane @ 40 mg ed, stacked w/ AMS 4-ad. I honestly didn't expect much from the 4 ad when I started but I blew up on this stack. 12 lbs that have never left. Significant visible gains in traps, shoulders and chest, quads too. My macros were 300 pro, 400 carbs, 60-70 fat. I have ran Havoc, Epidrol, Epistane solo, epi-4ad stack, attempted 1-T Tren, which was my least favorite. I lasted 9 days and was just slammed silly by that compound. Probably nutrient partitioning, not enough carbs. I may have another go at it while adjusting macros and dosage. Havoc will always have a special place in my heart as my first PH experience, and a very good one. One experience with anadrol, and that was absolutely shocking strength wise. I knew what it was, respected it, treated it right, and man, that shiz was fun. My bench went up(temporarily)50 lbs in the 27 days. My workout partner was highly suspicious.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Simple for me but I'll split it up:

Best AAS: Tren Ace - nothing else comes close. Close runner up for high dose Var simply because the vascularity is unreal (no pun intended).

Worst AAS: Test (any kind) - Never felt that 'kick' or slow gain effect. In fact after a few cycles I just started doing 200-250mg/week doses simply to be cautious of libido.




Best OTC: Liquidrone (tren) - ran it 4 weeks and was upset I didnt go longer. Great gym aggression and LBM.

Worst OTC: SD - fast shutdown and loss of appetite and general lethargy to boot. The gains were nothing great and the best thing about it was the appearance of a diuretic effect in the first 10 days.

 

[bigpapa]

best ph- trenadrol, even though it shut me down pretty hard. the gains were sick.

worst ph- epi/havoc and furazadrol, both i think are very underdosed and i felt really tired on epi/havoc.

best aas- var and eq...on them right now and love them. got test in there also and i gotta say i like test also.

worst aas- havent had one yet, but i imagine when i use tren ace that might change, but who knows.

 

[Trauma1]

Best Designer: Madol (Desoxymethyltestosterone) - Aka: Phera Plex

Nothing compares even close, imo. It isn't the best in terms of overall strength (it wasn't too shabby either), but the anabolic effects are nothing short of amazing. The muscle literally piles on me with it; not to mention i enjoy the great feeling of "well being" while on it. Back pumps can be brutal at times, but other than that, not much in terms of sides for me. I'd put it up against Dbol anyday.

I'll update later with my least favorite as well.

 

[gabecamp]

My fav's so far are the original 1AD and havoc.

Worst so far is THE ONE. Very, very, very overrated. Got a little stronger but nothing to brag about. Gained no weight what so ever. Compared to HAVOC, The One is a joke..Sorry AN.

 

[nosnmiveins]

worst OCT: havoc,epi. i ran it and gained 8lbs of water which quickly dropped once i stopped, plus it absolutely KILLS my joints.

best OCT: dont have one, none have treated me well other than strength gains and hardness which fade.

conclusion: looks like i'll be sticking to injectables

 

[ecosocialist]

Best - Tren/Phera Cycle - Great appetite, fair enough libido, no acne, not too bad of oily skin, amazing strength, and most rapid weigh gain.

Worst Superdrol - No appetite, felt sick, tired... Though that may have had to do with 60 hour work weeks, just a YMCA membership at the time, girlfriends appendix rupturing while having colon issues and then getting a grapefruit sized cyst on her ovary, and then dad having a heart attack, but all in all, was not impressed. Lost fat though which was good, but sad as I had planned to bulk. Recovered VERY VERY fast oddly enough.

 

[qwerty33]

Fav: Original Halodrol and clones. Responded well to it.

Best gains: 1-t tren

 

[cmc]

The original 1ad has my vote for now.

 

[gino1168]

Good=sd =best for strength,worst for health
Tren=good strength
Dermacrine=strength,mood,pump
3-ad good endurance and mass
Bad=sd=liver,bp,lipids
phera=dirty=acne,puffy and lipids

 

[UnrealMachine]

I will do my best to keep the running tally going. It will be easiest for me to incorporate data if there is a single "best" and a single "worst." Keep in mind that it doesn't necessarily have to be the best and worst though, just how well they did based on your expectations. If you got surprisingly good results, or surprisingly bad results.

We all know that some are stronger than others.

 

[flightposite]

im no expert and not as much experience as alot of u but out of the products ive tried it would be.

good-1-t no sides nice slow strength gain and good mood and energy.

decent-dymethazine bad sides felt lethargy and heavy breathing but great strength and lean body mass gain but got sick during pct and lost most of it.

good-the one stacked with troid i started with just the ONE endurance was good energy was great and mood was great but the strength and weight gains sucked to be honest so i added the troid in week 3 and strength sky rocketed.

running hdrol and decavol stack right now and honestly so far i like the decavol much better than the hddrol the gains are very slow in both strength and muscle i think i could have just ran the decvol alone and seen the same results with less sides ive never had bad mood problems on cycle actualy my mood improves most of the time but on hdrol i cant sleep and im very moody the good thing about hdrol is it does a good job at leaning and hardening decavol is good and i kinda wish i ran it alone. sofar i would say hdrol is my least favorite cycle

GOOD=1-t,Troid,Decavol,Dymethazine
OK=TheOne
BAD=hdrol

 

[flightposite]

I will do my best to keep the running tally going. It will be easiest for me to incorporate data if there is a single "best" and a single "worst." Keep in mind that it doesn't necessarily have to be the best and worst though, just how well they did based on your expectations. If you got surprisingly good results, or surprisingly bad results.

We all know that some are stronger than others.

sorry i already posted before i read this.^

in that case if i have to pick one it would be

BEST=Troid
WORST=hdrol

 

[supersize77]

Best Designer: Madol (Desoxymethyltestosterone) - Aka: Phera Plex

Nothing compares even close, imo. It isn't the best in terms of overall strength (it wasn't too shabby either), but the anabolic effects are nothing short of amazing. The muscle literally piles on me with it; not to mention i enjoy the great feeling of "well being" while on it. Back pumps can be brutal at times, but other than that, not much in terms of sides for me. I'd put it up against Dbol anyday.

I'll update later with my least favorite as well.

This. Power, strength, hardness, endurance, libido boost, sense of well being, and best of all...little to no sides. This stuff is manliness in a bottle.

Worst....hmmmmm....probablay ergo-max, the "dirtier" version of phera. I remember thinking they were basically the same compund and noticing a huge dip in strength when I switched from 20mg phara-plex per day to 30mg ergo-max per day.

 

[TravisG]

The master made a thread haha.

Biggest surprise. Phera: 13 lbs in one month and not even really knowing what im doing was great i respond very well to PP.

Biggest Disapointment: Halotest 25/SUS500 stack: this massively wicked, full of sides stack only netted my 8 pounds. now i will never complain about 8 pounds but for such a powerful stack..this was a huge let down. i was hoping for 15.

So to make this clear as possible:

BEST: Pheraplex
WORST: Halodrol

 

[tnubs]

best: havoc... strength gains were great and 7 pounds in 3 weeks and didnt have a problem keeping it...

also the feeling of test e was nice. but 12 pounds of water in under 3 weeks... eh... then i got the flu and strep throat at the same time fml lost it all from not eating in over a week. and balls were gone for 2 months after

worst... superdrol... blood pressure is unbearable after about 3 days. talk about dizzying and major headaches and i can see my heart pumping without a shirt on looking at my chest. tried it twice... debating trying it again with some major BP supps...

 

[somewhatgifted]

Nice subbed.

 

[jay21]

yah i didnt like epi either

 

[texastweeter]

I take it this thread is only for OTC orals, and not oils?

 

[AE14]

favorite: Havoc stacked with 1andro. Great strength gains, appetite went through the roof, just felt overall great

least favorite: furazadrol. Did little to nothing for me, and to top it off is friggin costly. Close second is SD. While the strength gains are second to none, the sides are too much. I am lethargic from the onset. I could go in and lift a s-load of weight and be dead after one set, and want to go home and do nothing all day

 

[RenegadeRows]

Best: Epistane. cleared up some gyno, gave me ferocious energy, appetite and libido, as well as strength and mass gains.

Worst: Superdrol. Stuff made me kind of sick, even at low doses. I just did not react well to it

 

[Iron Lungz]

Best: Methyl 1-ALpha. This gave me incredible strength, as well as 20lbs of weight in just a little over 3 weeks. After I shed the water, my net gain was around 13-14lbs. Believe it or not; this is where I begin to get my crazy vascular-paths from. I've never had the success like this with any other PH/DS. M1A was run solo; no stack. My PCT consisted of Clomid/HCG, with a tapering E-Form. Everything went well; however, my lipids were high, but quickly went back to normal a month or so after finishing PCT.
* Coming in second best: Phera-Plex – similar gains; not as much weight, though.

Worst: Superdol. This sh*t made me so sick that I had to cease use 7 days in. My BP was elevated, as well as everything else. I ran 2 weeks of Clomid low-dosed, which helped put me back to normal. I actually lost 5lbs in the process because I did not have anything remotely close to an appetite, and forcing food down made me nauseas beyond belief. F*ck Superdrol.
* Coming in second worst: M1T – bleh!

 

[mark118]

its interesting how epistane, the one, and SD produce such varying results

 

[UnrealMachine]

I'll get around to updating it. Texas, you can put in oils, but they'll be more on their own and it'll be hard to compare with the rest.

For all the bad, bad results... Maybe you guys can share which clone you used?

 

[henryhavoc]

Nice post unreal!

Impressed me the most: SD - I had no sides and put on a lot of freakin mass. Appetite was comparable to a horse (my stomach was a black hole - I ate like 4 tuna sandwiches at a time). Workouts were amazing with HUGE pumps.

Impressed me the least: Can't really say. I've ran sd, phera, and tren and I loved them all

 

[Rodja]

This is not even close for me: trans 1-T (the old stuff). Can be used for every situation and is unmatched in terms of dry gains and strength

Worst: M1T-just not worth the sides, shutdown, and horrible PCT.

 

[opr8r]

1-T Tren. More then I expected. 20lbs and strength went through the roof. Getting ready for another go at it.

 

[neverstop]

otc "legal" aas

BEST: superdrol - i havn't tried phera or Hdrol but i liked superdrol, there were certainly sides and blood pressure and backpumps were noticable, but tolerable at 20mg a day. i blew up on it though, after pct i was up 8lbs, which is a lot for me and i was much stronger and leaner

WORST: M1T - this stuff is poison and i can't believe it was ever legal. worst aas ever!



injectables

BEST: test cyp at 750-500mg a week for 8-10 weeks.throw in a little deca and just cruise, consistently put on a few lbs a week, nice and steady with low sides other than a little bloating that went away in PCT. the feeling of well being on test is amazing too. i love that stuff.

WORST: tren - absolutely unreal gains but i fealt like i was being poisoned the whole time, hair fell out, got gyno for the 1st time, acne was so bad like having infections all over your body and was having dreams about murdering people and stuff. hahaha... there is nothing worth the side effects even though the gains were simply amazinig.

 

[tnubs]

looking on the other boards, looks like a lot of people are loving mass tabs. seems like 12-20 pounds is normal. with the only side effects being lipids.

this thread just makes me want to try so many new cycles... i wish i had more money

 

[nosnmiveins]

WORST: tren - absolutely unreal gains but i fealt like i was being poisoned the whole time, hair fell out, got gyno for the 1st time, acne was so bad like having infections all over your body and was having dreams about murdering people and stuff. there is nothing worth the side effects even though the gains were simply amazinig.

i have to agree somewhat here. ance got pretty bad, piss was dark yellow and smelled horrible no matter how much water i drank, got gyno for the first time, and its 100x harder to put on size while on tren (for me). strength was incredible but not maintainable at all post cycle

 

[neverstop]

i have to agree somewhat here. ance got pretty bad, piss was dark yellow and smelled horrible no matter how much water i drank, got gyno for the first time, and its 100x harder to put on size while on tren (for me). strength was incredible but not maintainable at all post cycle

yeah, the strength i gained on tren was simply nuts, on a 12 week cycle i put literally 85 lbs on my bench. but you're right, because i lost like >50% of that after PCT. when you are on tren you can just tell its fkucing you up in a bad way. there is no way to prove it but i fealt like that tren cycle probably cost me a year of my life or something. PCT was freakin impossible too, i've never been shut down even half that hard.

 

[vika808]

is the tren you guys talk about from PP? the rub on one

 

[Tomahawk88]

is the tren you guys talk about from PP? the rub on one

No they are talking about REAL tren. The stuff u inject and is a completely different compound than the for now "legal" tren products.

 

[Iron Lungz]

is the tren you guys talk about from PP? the rub on one

:toofunny:

 

[Royd The Noyd]

I must have been a cow in a previous lifetime because fina tastes oh so good to me in oh so many ways.

 

[MATTHAMMER]

TEST400 by FightLabs my favorite so far

I am just curious about how well people respond to different anabolics. So based on what you were expecting, which one exceeded expectations, and which one failed to live up to expectations?

I will try to keep a running tally. The goal here is data-gathering.

MOST IMPRESSIVE

"Tren" (19-nor)
jambarino
Liftingstud (stacked with Epi)
Royd the Noyd
ecosocialist (stacked with PP)
qwerty33

Epi/Havoc
Andy G (stacked w/4ad)
Liftingstud (stacked with Tren)
gabecamp

1-AD
gabecamp
cmc

PP
Trauma1
ecosocialist (stacked with Tren)

SD
UnrealMachine

Trenadrol
bigpapa

Tren Ace
Royd the Noyd

Hdrol

The One



MOST DISAPPOINTING

Epi/Havoc
UnrealMachine (no gains)
bigpapa (stacked with Furaz, compounds too weak, lethargy)
nosnmiveins (water weight, dry joints)

SD
Royd the Noyd (shutdown, sides)
ecosocialist (loss of appetite, poor gains)

"Tren" (19-nor)
Andy G (sides)

1-AD
jambarino (allergic)

Testosterone
Royd the Noyd (no gains)

The One
gabecamp (no weight gain)

Hdrol

PP

Trenadrol

Tren Ace

SUS500 made my nipples leak and ruined my sex life.
TRENADROL made me strong, but my kidneys ached and nipples were sore.
TEST400 by FightLabs (the PH not Denkal),made be super strong and ripped to shreads with no issues. My favorite by far..

 

[CEDeoudes59]

gotta stack those orals with test or at least hcg... all that 'im sleepy' or fatigue with go away.

good thread btw.

 

[Suryoyo]

The Best List

Nr One: Jungle Warfare, High strenght gains and huge weight gains (16lbs), kept the strenght and the mass after a simple pct, 6-oxo extreme.

Nr 2: H-Drol by Cel, good gains in strenght and weight, 10lbs in weight gain, kept the most of It, pct was just reversitol and I was fine after.

The Worst List

Nr One: Epidrol, I did 30/30/30/40 and get nothing of it, I got little hard bulting in the heart and some letargy insted. Really bad one.

Neutral List

11-oxo: I used in a cut for 6 weeks, 6caps/ed, little disapointing because It gave me nothing on strenght or Mass, but made me very vascolur and cut me very well. But this was expensive, 4 bottles I use.


Next cycle will be x-mass with JW, or x-mass with p-plex

 

[TexasTitan]

Based on this thread, whats really interesting are the PHs that havent given any negative reviews whilst giving positive ones. A better way to format may be to show each substance and a positive and negative number after. P-Plex sounds very intriguing.

 

[maurice02]

Most disappointing so far is Spawn. Only 17 days in but joints are sore and I saw better strength gains at this point in a cycle. Also there is a BIG quality issue with the pills. I would say 1 out of 3 are not filled completely...along the lines of 2/3 or 3/4. Farther I get into the bottle it might be 1 out of 2.

Havoc was great for strength gains but sides were a tad harsh at 40mg for me...and water retention sucked. dry my butt.

 

[nosnmiveins]

and water retention sucked. dry my butt.

thank you! finally someone that had the same experience

 

[boxrocker]

Changing the product here for a minute. I have been using Alpha Mass and coming off with SUS LMG by AMMO. I am getting great strength and size with less water retention and not many side affects. My bench went from 315 x 2 or 3 to 315 x 9 or 10 with a 395 max. Deadlift 415 x 4, Military press 255 x 1 100lbs dumbells for reps of 10. I have been doing more cardio to try and keep my 6 pack, but im finding it hard while usung these products. Maybe i'm being impatient, i want the best of mass and lean worlds at once. I dont like bulking up (more fatty) then cutting completely down. Has anyone heard of these products? The compound in ALPHA are 2a 17a di methyl eitocholan 3-one, 17b-ol and 17a-methyl-eioallocholan-2-ene-17b-OL. I used this cycle a few months back and kept almost everything in weight and most of my strength. Also TOKKYO products are very potent! I am also not into cutting as my genetics have always allowed me not to have to worry about it. Those days are ending, and i want some info on what is good for cutting bodyfat without loosing too much muscle and getting the jitters!

 

[Dak]

Im still too young to participate in this thread, but I'm wondering why no one showed love for mass tabs