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    Warning on Body Building Products Marketed as Containing Steroids or Steroid-Like Substances

    Americall-labs.com VMG Global Inc 7/27/09

    Tren and Epi are on this list.....i'm not familiar with some of the nomenclatures of those other compounds. Can anyone enlighten us as to what else will be disappearing?

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    AH-89-Xtreme: 5α-androstano[3,2-c]pyrazole-3-one-17β-ol-THP-ether, marketed as “similar to Stanozolol

    ESTRO Xtreme: 4-hydroxyandrostenedione (4-OHA) = formestane

    MMA-3 Xtreme: Androsta-1,4-dien-3,17-dione, marketed as “similar to Boldenone (Equipoise)” = Bold by Iforce

    VNS-9 Xtreme: 17α-methyl-4-chloro-androsta-1,4-diene-3β,17β-diol, marketed as “similar to Turinabol” = Hdrol

    TT-40-Xtreme: 1-androsterone, marketed as “very similar to 1-Testosterone” and “converts to 1-Testosterone” = 1-Dhea??
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    WTF wait a minute Formestane is on this list? What? Hell no...
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    17α-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-01=PP, i think
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    WTF wait a minute Formestane is on this list? What? Hell no...
    Hope not.
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    Oh Formestane, oh Formestane, how I would love thee to be saved... but it will not.
    I will not give too many more hints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    WTF wait a minute Formestane is on this list? What? Hell no...
    Say It Ain't So!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post
    Say It Ain't So!
    it's a steroid.......what did you think was going to happen. just cause it's an AI that it wouldn't get screwed with? that's allright, we've got plenty of research chems.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    it's a steroid.......what did you think was going to happen. just cause it's an AI that it wouldn't get screwed with? that's allright, we've got plenty of research chems.....
    Thats news to me... I did not know that... now I'm not surprised anymore... Thats too bad!
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    Will this be an international ban or what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post
    Thats news to me... I did not know that... now I'm not surprised anymore... Thats too bad!
    It is steroidal by nature, though not exactly a steroid as we use the term today.

    Quote Originally Posted by xx Zues xx View Post
    Will this be an international ban or what?
    Its a U.S. law so....i doubt it counts as international. THOUGH a few countries always brown nose and follow our laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    it's a steroid.......what did you think was going to happen. just cause it's an AI that it wouldn't get screwed with? that's allright, we've got plenty of research chems.....
    Considering how cheap bulk powder is... Transdermal is the best way for it IMO >.>
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    Quote Originally Posted by xx Zues xx View Post
    Will this be an international ban or what?
    FDA only has jurisdiction in the US. hence the federal in FDA. but since most ph/ps are made here......
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    Can I freeze TD Formastane?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodofWine View Post
    Can I freeze TD Formastane?
    Uh not too sure, but if I were you I would think bulk powder formestane could be stored like that in a vacuum seal for quite some time. Not sure on its ability to oxidize/other reactions though.

    And then its quite easy to make into a transdermal. My TD form is homebrew.
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    I was just minding my own business walking around teh gym and my local steroid dealer was flipping through a Ferrari brochure..
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    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    FDA only has jurisdiction in the US. hence the federal in FDA. but since most ph/ps are made here......
    no they aren't, most of them are imported from chinese manufacturers. Heck dymethazine is a resurrection of a 1960s pharmaceutical from Italy. Only a few things are really US sourced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave12 View Post
    I was just minding my own business walking around teh gym and my local steroid dealer was flipping through a Ferrari brochure..
    Ive actually been tempted in this time of joblessness to flip some stuff...Alas, I have a career to worry about, I will stick to small amounts for personal use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    no they aren't, most of them are imported from chinese manufacturers. Heck dymethazine is a resurrection of a 1960s pharmaceutical from Italy. Only a few things are really US sourced.
    How will this affect PH availability in Europe or more specifically the UK?
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    Really it shouldn't have any effect outside the US. If CEL can continue to make $ selling outside of the US, they will continue selling outside the US.
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    So what other compounds are on the chopping block? Will 6-bromo get axed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    Oh Formestane, oh Formestane, how I would love thee to be saved... but it will not.
    I will not give too many more hints.
    that's gonna be what I miss the most
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    damn..
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    from what i m hearing from the inside is that thiss stuff isnt being banned but the fda is using scare tactics by sending threating letters manufactures and warnings to consumers.technically alot of this stuff isnt illegal but the fda is pushing for them to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jambarino View Post
    from what i m hearing from the inside is that thiss stuff isnt being banned but the fda is using scare tactics by sending threating letters manufactures and warnings to consumers.technically alot of this stuff isnt illegal but the fda is pushing for them to be.
    uh...thats a long way of wording "imminent Ban"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    uh...thats a long way of wording "imminent Ban"
    thanks smartass.a ban isnt necessarily imminent.there are no guarntees that they will.its all hearsay and rumors.i'll believe it when they are banned.last year they was a million rumors tren and bold were being banned.even a letter being posted everywhere that was from the fda but nothing came of it.it seems more serious this time but im still skeptical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jambarino View Post
    technically alot of this stuff isnt illegal but the fda is pushing for them to be.
    Umm actually all of it is basically non-legal. its all being sold as "dietary supplements" which doesn't require prior FDA approval for. But a manufacturer of a dietary supplement has to be able to prove how their product is an actual dietary supplement - something sourced from food in nature, even if its concentrated. Well, basically none of the current generation of products really fall into that category as they are all lab-made. So these are all basically prescription drugs that haven't gotten fda approval yet and so aren't legal to sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Umm actually all of it is basically non-legal. its all being sold as "dietary supplements" which doesn't require prior FDA approval for. But a manufacturer of a dietary supplement has to be able to prove how their product is an actual dietary supplement - something sourced from food in nature, even if its concentrated. Well, basically none of the current generation of products really fall into that category as they are all lab-made. So these are all basically prescription drugs that haven't gotten fda approval yet and so aren't legal to sell.

    What the FDA letters are is "Please explain how these items qualify as dietary supplements under the DSHEA"
    so is non-legal and illegal the same?just asking.because its not approved by the fda its illegal.if the fda doesnt test then how is it automatically illegal.who does th manufacturer have to prove it to if fda testing is required?not trying to be a **** just asking questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jambarino View Post
    so is non-legal and illegal the same?just asking.because its not approved by the fda its illegal.if the fda doesnt test then how is it automatically illegal.who does th manufacturer have to prove it to if fda testing is required?
    yeah, non-legal is basically the same as illegal, but the idea is that given the way the DSHEA is worded, someone can sell something without any criminal reprucussions until the FDA asks them to prove the natural basis for the product. Then if for some crazy ass reason they continue to sell the product the FDA can criminally charge them, but otherwise all the FDA can do is get them to stop selling it, or any other product with that ingredient in it. Where something that is illegal (like a specifically banned product like 4ad) would carry criminal charges immediately if the FDA found you selling it.

    So theres sort of a difference, mostly in what your liability is for doing it.
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    So are we talking ALL phs then, or just the ones on that list?

    I dont see phera or superdrol on there...

    On a completely unrelated note, how long would most of these compounds last if never opened in their original packaging and sealed in a vacuum bag?
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    Wait....are Phera clones being banned as well?
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