PH Ban Imminent

Page 1 of 3 123 Last
  1. Professional Member
    TheDarkHalf's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  198 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Age
    29
    Posts
    4,398
    Rep Power
    10717
    Level
    45
    Lv. Percent
    90.82%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    PH Ban Imminent


    Warning on Body Building Products Marketed as Containing Steroids or Steroid-Like Substances

    Americall-labs.com VMG Global Inc 7/27/09

    Tren and Epi are on this list.....i'm not familiar with some of the nomenclatures of those other compounds. Can anyone enlighten us as to what else will be disappearing?

  2. Senior Member
    liquid's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    1,609
    Rep Power
    110495
    Level
    32
    Lv. Percent
    76.27%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    AH-89-Xtreme: 5α-androstano[3,2-c]pyrazole-3-one-17β-ol-THP-ether, marketed as “similar to Stanozolol

    ESTRO Xtreme: 4-hydroxyandrostenedione (4-OHA) = formestane

    MMA-3 Xtreme: Androsta-1,4-dien-3,17-dione, marketed as “similar to Boldenone (Equipoise)” = Bold by Iforce

    VNS-9 Xtreme: 17α-methyl-4-chloro-androsta-1,4-diene-3β,17β-diol, marketed as “similar to Turinabol” = Hdrol

    TT-40-Xtreme: 1-androsterone, marketed as “very similar to 1-Testosterone” and “converts to 1-Testosterone” = 1-Dhea??
  3. Elite Member
    Zero V's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  163 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Age
    28
    Posts
    6,286
    Rep Power
    7014
    Level
    52
    Lv. Percent
    27.39%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    WTF wait a minute Formestane is on this list? What? Hell no...
    •   
       

  4. Professional Member
    lennoxchi's Avatar
    Stats
    6'1"  235 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    3,643
    Rep Power
    2369
    Level
    42
    Lv. Percent
    33.96%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    17α-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-01=PP, i think
  5. Registered User
    Mach .78's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    1,228
    Rep Power
    732
    Level
    27
    Lv. Percent
    57.88%
    Achievements Posting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    WTF wait a minute Formestane is on this list? What? Hell no...
    Hope not.
  6. Banned
    Iron Lungz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Age
    38
    Posts
    5,785
    Rep Power
    0
    Level
    51
    Lv. Percent
    6.89%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Oh Formestane, oh Formestane, how I would love thee to be saved... but it will not.
    I will not give too many more hints.
  7. PES Rep
    Delta Force's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  185 lbs.
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Age
    43
    Posts
    4,791
    Rep Power
    237108
    Level
    49
    Lv. Percent
    84.82%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    WTF wait a minute Formestane is on this list? What? Hell no...
    Say It Ain't So!
    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    If you are not on the PES Insider list you are not cool. Uncool people don't deserve free Alphamine.
    PES product educator, PM me with any questions!
  8. Professional Member
    lennoxchi's Avatar
    Stats
    6'1"  235 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    3,643
    Rep Power
    2369
    Level
    42
    Lv. Percent
    33.96%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post
    Say It Ain't So!
    it's a steroid.......what did you think was going to happen. just cause it's an AI that it wouldn't get screwed with? that's allright, we've got plenty of research chems.....
  9. PES Rep
    Delta Force's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  185 lbs.
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Age
    43
    Posts
    4,791
    Rep Power
    237108
    Level
    49
    Lv. Percent
    84.82%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    it's a steroid.......what did you think was going to happen. just cause it's an AI that it wouldn't get screwed with? that's allright, we've got plenty of research chems.....
    Thats news to me... I did not know that... now I'm not surprised anymore... Thats too bad!
    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    If you are not on the PES Insider list you are not cool. Uncool people don't deserve free Alphamine.
    PES product educator, PM me with any questions!
  10. New Member
    xx Zues xx's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    312
    Rep Power
    267
    Level
    15
    Lv. Percent
    0.73%

    Will this be an international ban or what?
  11. Elite Member
    Zero V's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  163 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Age
    28
    Posts
    6,286
    Rep Power
    7014
    Level
    52
    Lv. Percent
    27.39%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post
    Thats news to me... I did not know that... now I'm not surprised anymore... Thats too bad!
    It is steroidal by nature, though not exactly a steroid as we use the term today.

    Quote Originally Posted by xx Zues xx View Post
    Will this be an international ban or what?
    Its a U.S. law so....i doubt it counts as international. THOUGH a few countries always brown nose and follow our laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    it's a steroid.......what did you think was going to happen. just cause it's an AI that it wouldn't get screwed with? that's allright, we've got plenty of research chems.....
    Considering how cheap bulk powder is... Transdermal is the best way for it IMO >.>
  12. Professional Member
    lennoxchi's Avatar
    Stats
    6'1"  235 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    3,643
    Rep Power
    2369
    Level
    42
    Lv. Percent
    33.96%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by xx Zues xx View Post
    Will this be an international ban or what?
    FDA only has jurisdiction in the US. hence the federal in FDA. but since most ph/ps are made here......
  13. New Member
    GodofWine's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    105
    Rep Power
    167
    Level
    9
    Lv. Percent
    13.49%

    Can I freeze TD Formastane?
  14. Elite Member
    Zero V's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  163 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Age
    28
    Posts
    6,286
    Rep Power
    7014
    Level
    52
    Lv. Percent
    27.39%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by GodofWine View Post
    Can I freeze TD Formastane?
    Uh not too sure, but if I were you I would think bulk powder formestane could be stored like that in a vacuum seal for quite some time. Not sure on its ability to oxidize/other reactions though.

    And then its quite easy to make into a transdermal. My TD form is homebrew.
  15. New Member
    dave12's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Age
    33
    Posts
    343
    Rep Power
    256
    Level
    15
    Lv. Percent
    49.85%

    I was just minding my own business walking around teh gym and my local steroid dealer was flipping through a Ferrari brochure..
  16. Board Moderator
    Never enough
    EasyEJL's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  205 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Age
    47
    Posts
    31,878
    Rep Power
    778120
    Level
    95
    Lv. Percent
    28.65%
    Achievements Activity VeteranActivity RoyaltyActivity ProActivity AuthorityPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    FDA only has jurisdiction in the US. hence the federal in FDA. but since most ph/ps are made here......
    no they aren't, most of them are imported from chinese manufacturers. Heck dymethazine is a resurrection of a 1960s pharmaceutical from Italy. Only a few things are really US sourced.
  17. Elite Member
    Zero V's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  163 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Age
    28
    Posts
    6,286
    Rep Power
    7014
    Level
    52
    Lv. Percent
    27.39%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by dave12 View Post
    I was just minding my own business walking around teh gym and my local steroid dealer was flipping through a Ferrari brochure..
    Ive actually been tempted in this time of joblessness to flip some stuff...Alas, I have a career to worry about, I will stick to small amounts for personal use.
  18. New Member
    xx Zues xx's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    312
    Rep Power
    267
    Level
    15
    Lv. Percent
    0.73%

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    no they aren't, most of them are imported from chinese manufacturers. Heck dymethazine is a resurrection of a 1960s pharmaceutical from Italy. Only a few things are really US sourced.
    How will this affect PH availability in Europe or more specifically the UK?
  19. Board Moderator
    Never enough
    EasyEJL's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  205 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Age
    47
    Posts
    31,878
    Rep Power
    778120
    Level
    95
    Lv. Percent
    28.65%
    Achievements Activity VeteranActivity RoyaltyActivity ProActivity AuthorityPosting Pro

    Really it shouldn't have any effect outside the US. If CEL can continue to make $ selling outside of the US, they will continue selling outside the US.
  20. New Member
    hyperCat's Avatar
    Stats
    5'5"  172 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Age
    43
    Posts
    393
    Rep Power
    324
    Level
    16
    Lv. Percent
    65.51%

    So what other compounds are on the chopping block? Will 6-bromo get axed?
  21. Senior Member
    warnerve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Age
    31
    Posts
    1,977
    Rep Power
    11040
    Level
    32
    Lv. Percent
    45.03%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    Oh Formestane, oh Formestane, how I would love thee to be saved... but it will not.
    I will not give too many more hints.
    that's gonna be what I miss the most
  22. New Member
    wanksta14's Avatar
    Stats
    6'4"  226 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    15
    Rep Power
    83
    Level
    3
    Lv. Percent
    86.25%

    damn..
  23. New Member
    jambarino's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  245 lbs.
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Age
    30
    Posts
    111
    Rep Power
    132
    Level
    11
    Lv. Percent
    12.96%

    from what i m hearing from the inside is that thiss stuff isnt being banned but the fda is using scare tactics by sending threating letters manufactures and warnings to consumers.technically alot of this stuff isnt illegal but the fda is pushing for them to be.
  24. Elite Member
    Zero V's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  163 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Age
    28
    Posts
    6,286
    Rep Power
    7014
    Level
    52
    Lv. Percent
    27.39%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by jambarino View Post
    from what i m hearing from the inside is that thiss stuff isnt being banned but the fda is using scare tactics by sending threating letters manufactures and warnings to consumers.technically alot of this stuff isnt illegal but the fda is pushing for them to be.
    uh...thats a long way of wording "imminent Ban"
  25. New Member
    jambarino's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  245 lbs.
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Age
    30
    Posts
    111
    Rep Power
    132
    Level
    11
    Lv. Percent
    12.96%

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    uh...thats a long way of wording "imminent Ban"
    thanks smartass.a ban isnt necessarily imminent.there are no guarntees that they will.its all hearsay and rumors.i'll believe it when they are banned.last year they was a million rumors tren and bold were being banned.even a letter being posted everywhere that was from the fda but nothing came of it.it seems more serious this time but im still skeptical.
  26. Board Moderator
    Never enough
    EasyEJL's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  205 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Age
    47
    Posts
    31,878
    Rep Power
    778120
    Level
    95
    Lv. Percent
    28.65%
    Achievements Activity VeteranActivity RoyaltyActivity ProActivity AuthorityPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by jambarino View Post
    technically alot of this stuff isnt illegal but the fda is pushing for them to be.
    Umm actually all of it is basically non-legal. its all being sold as "dietary supplements" which doesn't require prior FDA approval for. But a manufacturer of a dietary supplement has to be able to prove how their product is an actual dietary supplement - something sourced from food in nature, even if its concentrated. Well, basically none of the current generation of products really fall into that category as they are all lab-made. So these are all basically prescription drugs that haven't gotten fda approval yet and so aren't legal to sell.

    What the FDA letters are is "Please explain how these items qualify as dietary supplements under the DSHEA"
  27. New Member
    jambarino's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  245 lbs.
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Age
    30
    Posts
    111
    Rep Power
    132
    Level
    11
    Lv. Percent
    12.96%

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Umm actually all of it is basically non-legal. its all being sold as "dietary supplements" which doesn't require prior FDA approval for. But a manufacturer of a dietary supplement has to be able to prove how their product is an actual dietary supplement - something sourced from food in nature, even if its concentrated. Well, basically none of the current generation of products really fall into that category as they are all lab-made. So these are all basically prescription drugs that haven't gotten fda approval yet and so aren't legal to sell.

    What the FDA letters are is "Please explain how these items qualify as dietary supplements under the DSHEA"
    so is non-legal and illegal the same?just asking.because its not approved by the fda its illegal.if the fda doesnt test then how is it automatically illegal.who does th manufacturer have to prove it to if fda testing is required?not trying to be a **** just asking questions.
  28. Board Moderator
    Never enough
    EasyEJL's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  205 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Age
    47
    Posts
    31,878
    Rep Power
    778120
    Level
    95
    Lv. Percent
    28.65%
    Achievements Activity VeteranActivity RoyaltyActivity ProActivity AuthorityPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by jambarino View Post
    so is non-legal and illegal the same?just asking.because its not approved by the fda its illegal.if the fda doesnt test then how is it automatically illegal.who does th manufacturer have to prove it to if fda testing is required?
    yeah, non-legal is basically the same as illegal, but the idea is that given the way the DSHEA is worded, someone can sell something without any criminal reprucussions until the FDA asks them to prove the natural basis for the product. Then if for some crazy ass reason they continue to sell the product the FDA can criminally charge them, but otherwise all the FDA can do is get them to stop selling it, or any other product with that ingredient in it. Where something that is illegal (like a specifically banned product like 4ad) would carry criminal charges immediately if the FDA found you selling it.

    So theres sort of a difference, mostly in what your liability is for doing it.
  29. New Member
    spadesofaces's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  181 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Age
    27
    Posts
    85
    Rep Power
    108
    Level
    8
    Lv. Percent
    26.51%

    So are we talking ALL phs then, or just the ones on that list?

    I dont see phera or superdrol on there...

    On a completely unrelated note, how long would most of these compounds last if never opened in their original packaging and sealed in a vacuum bag?
  30. Richard Gears's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  218 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Age
    65
    Posts
    116
    Rep Power
    0
    Level
    9
    Lv. Percent
    38.37%

    Wait....are Phera clones being banned as well?
  31. Board Moderator
    Never enough
    EasyEJL's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  205 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Age
    47
    Posts
    31,878
    Rep Power
    778120
    Level
    95
    Lv. Percent
    28.65%
    Achievements Activity VeteranActivity RoyaltyActivity ProActivity AuthorityPosting Pro

    phera is on the list of items that were to be banned in 08, and basically that ruling covering it, Bold and "tren" could go into effect at any time.

    probably effective at least 4-5 years, and just would slowly loose potency
  32. NutraPlanet Rep
    MrBigPR's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  215 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    7,619
    Rep Power
    5556
    Level
    56
    Lv. Percent
    87.66%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    Oh Formestane, oh Formestane, how I would love thee to be saved... but it will not.
    I will not give too many more hints.
    I tried to tell em!!!!!!!
    Nutraplanet Representative
    PM me with any order questions and concerns
  33. NutraPlanet Rep
    MrBigPR's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  215 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    7,619
    Rep Power
    5556
    Level
    56
    Lv. Percent
    87.66%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    ohh Btw...form is a PH...
    Nutraplanet Representative
    PM me with any order questions and concerns
  34. New Member
    spadesofaces's Avatar
    Stats
    5'11"  181 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Age
    27
    Posts
    85
    Rep Power
    108
    Level
    8
    Lv. Percent
    26.51%

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    phera is on the list of items that were to be banned in 08, and basically that ruling covering it, Bold and "tren" could go into effect at any time.

    probably effective at least 4-5 years, and just would slowly loose potency
    so after 4-5 years they'd be duds or after 4-5 years they'd start to lose potency?
  35. Banned
    jay21's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    1,356
    Rep Power
    0
    Level
    28
    Lv. Percent
    6.07%
    Achievements Posting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by dave12 View Post
    I was just minding my own business walking around teh gym and my local steroid dealer was flipping through a Ferrari brochure..
    TRHIS IS SOME TUREST **** I FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR LAUGHING WHY HASNT ANY1 ELSE NOTICED THIS OMFG THIS IS SOOOOOO CLASSIC NO ****ING WAY
  36. NutraPlanet Rep
    MrBigPR's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  215 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    7,619
    Rep Power
    5556
    Level
    56
    Lv. Percent
    87.66%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by jay21 View Post
    TRHIS IS SOME TUREST **** I FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR LAUGHING WHY HASNT ANY1 ELSE NOTICED THIS OMFG THIS IS SOOOOOO CLASSIC NO ****ING WAY
    That sh*t had me rolling earlier.

    On another note..just found Xtreme Tren for 150 at one place..

    That's dumb
    Nutraplanet Representative
    PM me with any order questions and concerns
  37. Advanced Member
    slacker86's Avatar
    Stats
    5'6"  205 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Age
    28
    Posts
    838
    Rep Power
    491
    Level
    23
    Lv. Percent
    67%

    what if u have posession of this stuff but arent planning on using it soon? Would it count as a possesion charge of illegal substances? cause i got a cycle coming up and 2 un-opened bottles of h-drol and 1 of m-drol that im not planning on using anytime soon, and if im going to get busted for having this stuff i think im going to trade it in for some more test e.... at least a conviction would be worth it then.....well not really but u get my point...
  38. Advanced Member
    ktatro1's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  176 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Age
    26
    Posts
    562
    Rep Power
    352
    Level
    19
    Lv. Percent
    1.04%

    IF it does in fact become illegal, then without a prescription, posession of the said compounds would be illegal. However unless you plan on getting your house raided sometime soon by FDA I wouldn't particualrly worry about a possession charge.
  39. Senior Member
    luclyluciano's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  197 lbs.
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Age
    52
    Posts
    1,494
    Rep Power
    932
    Level
    28
    Lv. Percent
    91.98%
    Achievements Posting Pro

    Bump!
  40. New Member
    dave12's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Age
    33
    Posts
    343
    Rep Power
    256
    Level
    15
    Lv. Percent
    49.85%

    Quote Originally Posted by jay21 View Post
    TRHIS IS SOME TUREST **** I FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR LAUGHING WHY HASNT ANY1 ELSE NOTICED THIS OMFG THIS IS SOOOOOO CLASSIC NO ****ING WAY
    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    That sh*t had me rolling earlier.

    On another note..just found Xtreme Tren for 150 at one place..

    That's dumb
    I was just trying to make the point that markets will always find a way to fill a consumer demand. There's clearly demand here plenty of people will be willing to meet it and they wont be as scrupulous as RPN and CEL.
  

  
 

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Log in
Log in