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    I am convinced that there is no need to cycle m-drol


    So i recently embarked on a 10mg eod dose of m-drol. This little amount of m-drol has managed to pack on 6-7 pounds of lean mass in about 2 weeks. I am literally not shut down at all. As a matter of fact I feel like my nuts are working even better and are even fuller. I only work out on the days that I take the m-drol since I take it pre workout.

    I am convinced that if I were to not take m-drol but once a week, lets say on a day that I have a lagging bodypart such as calves, that my calves would benefit greatly from this. Over time, lets say 6 months, I would have some great calves. I think I will use it in this manner.

    Just imagin of your calves were "on cycle" for 6 months. They would be huge!

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    I personally have never had much sucess with pulsing, and I am one of the unlucky few that require high doseages to get good results, but then again your mileage may vary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynomite View Post
    So i recently embarked on a 10mg eod dose of m-drol. This little amount of m-drol has managed to pack on 6-7 pounds of lean mass in about 2 weeks. I am literally not shut down at all. As a matter of fact I feel like my nuts are working even better and are even fuller. I only work out on the days that I take the m-drol since I take it pre workout.

    I am convinced that if I were to not take m-drol but once a week, lets say on a day that I have a lagging bodypart such as calves, that my calves would benefit greatly from this. Over time, lets say 6 months, I would have some great calves. I think I will use it in this manner.

    Just imagin of your calves were "on cycle" for 6 months. They would be huge!

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    How do you know you're not shutdown?
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    I have to question if you are shut down or not? I felt great on PP but bloodwork showed I was shutdown..

    You cannot say for certain unless bloodwork says otherwise. However, on the subject of staying on a drug such as mdrol for 12 months a yr, pulsed? I would suggest reviewing exo dosages on receptors and LH/FSH effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kookahdoo View Post
    How do you know you're not shutdown?
    Becasue I have been shutdown several times before and I know exactly what it feels like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    I have to question if you are shut down or not? I felt great on PP but bloodwork showed I was shutdown..

    You cannot say for certain unless bloodwork says otherwise. However, on the subject of staying on a drug such as mdrol for 12 months a yr, pulsed? I would suggest reviewing exo dosages on receptors and LH/FSH effects.
    I am not talking about pulsing ever other day. I am talking about taking 1, 10 mg cap, once a week. You arent "on".
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    i dont think you would benefit with that like you think you are. the half life is too short. your body wouldnt benefit from this imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynomite View Post
    Becasue I have been shutdown several times before and I know exactly what it feels like.
    Did you get bloodwork? That's the only way to tell. I'm not trying to be a ****. I just want the facts. If what you say is true...it would be very interesting.
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    I don't know about 1 cap a week. You get noticable results from pulsing EOD but 1 cap a week is very little. I think it would really just help you out for that workout, maybe improve your recovery a little and help with pumps. Will be hard to see progress compared to natty though...

    Pulse with SD sounds good, i want to run some 3x a week DC training blasts with SD pulsed up to 30mg over an 8 week period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynomite View Post
    So i recently embarked on a 10mg eod dose of m-drol. This little amount of m-drol has managed to pack on 6-7 pounds of lean mass in about 2 weeks. I am literally not shut down at all. As a matter of fact I feel like my nuts are working even better and are even fuller. I only work out on the days that I take the m-drol since I take it pre workout.

    I am convinced that if I were to not take m-drol but once a week, lets say on a day that I have a lagging bodypart such as calves, that my calves would benefit greatly from this. Over time, lets say 6 months, I would have some great calves. I think I will use it in this manner.

    Just imagin of your calves were "on cycle" for 6 months. They would be huge!

    Thoughts?
    Testicular Atrophy is not a sure sign of you being "shut down"....

    It's also good to see you haven't been sucked into the 'time on = time off' hype that is so prevalent on the boards today. So, you are going to focus on doing 6 months of mdrol. Cool. Hell, why even do PCT at all, I mean you are literally not shut down at all, right?

    I wouldn't think anybody would be able to add to what you already have. You are obviously a student of gear AND bodybuilding in general. You show a firm grasp of fundamentals especially with your 'Mdrol - great calves' cycle you have planned.


    ill stop typing now....
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    LMAO @ cruising on MDROL.

    HRT with methylated masteron sounds awesome.

    Hopefully youre on a liver donor list somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harland View Post
    Testicular Atrophy is not a sure sign of you being "shut down"....

    It's also good to see you haven't been sucked into the 'time on = time off' hype that is so prevalent on the boards today. So, you are going to focus on doing 6 months of mdrol. Cool. Hell, why even do PCT at all, I mean you are literally not shut down at all, right?

    I wouldn't think anybody would be able to add to what you already have. You are obviously a student of gear AND bodybuilding in general. You show a firm grasp of fundamentals especially with your 'Mdrol - great calves' cycle you have planned.


    ill stop typing now....
    no offense but I was cycling hormones when you were junior in High School. I know it is a popular thing on here to belittle people that seem like noobz, but first you got to be smart enough to read before you start doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Gears View Post
    LMAO @ cruising on MDROL.

    HRT with methylated masteron sounds awesome.

    Hopefully youre on a liver donor list somewhere.

    damn lol read the post old man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    I don't know about 1 cap a week. You get noticable results from pulsing EOD but 1 cap a week is very little. I think it would really just help you out for that workout, maybe improve your recovery a little and help with pumps. Will be hard to see progress compared to natty though...

    Pulse with SD sounds good, i want to run some 3x a week DC training blasts with SD pulsed up to 30mg over an 8 week period.
    thanks for the intelligent post unreal. I actually love the pulse I am doing right now. Like I said, I am doing the least amount of m-drol I have heard of anyone taking and I am getting great results. M-drol half life is 6-8 hours so I take it imediately pre-workout. My results tell me that a majority of my gains have not come because my body is in a constant anabolic state or "on cycle" persay, but because I am dosing right when my body can benefit the most from it. I do not continuously have m-drol in my blood at such a low dosage of 10 mgs ever 48 hours. This is where my theory of taking one dose for a lagging bodypart once a week comes to mind. Or if that seems excessive then even twice a month.

    And just to clear up any confusion for the retards out there, this thread is beyond basic concepts such as proper time off and pct. So please keep that stuff out of here. If you have something to add that is worth saying please do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kookahdoo View Post
    Did you get bloodwork? That's the only way to tell. I'm not trying to be a ****. I just want the facts. If what you say is true...it would be very interesting.

    You are right, however for the sake of the thread just believe me when I say I am not shutdown. There is an enormous thread dedicated to pulsing about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynomite View Post
    no offense but I was cycling hormones when you were junior in High School. I know it is a popular thing on here to belittle people that seem like noobz, but first you got to be smart enough to read before you start doing that.
    I should then bow down to your all great knowledge, as you are the ancient master of bodybuilding...

    please let me be your apprentice, and maybe i too could become as great as you, and gain 6-7lbs of lean mass in two weeks by simply pulsing mdrol......
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynomite View Post
    thanks for the intelligent post unreal. I actually love the pulse I am doing right now. Like I said, I am doing the least amount of m-drol I have heard of anyone taking and I am getting great results. M-drol half life is 6-8 hours so I take it imediately pre-workout. My results tell me that a majority of my gains have not come because my body is in a constant anabolic state or "on cycle" persay, but because I am dosing right when my body can benefit the most from it. I do not continuously have m-drol in my blood at such a low dosage of 10 mgs ever 48 hours. This is where my theory of taking one dose for a lagging bodypart once a week comes to mind. Or if that seems excessive then even twice a month.

    And just to clear up any confusion for the retards out there, this thread is beyond basic concepts such as proper time off and pct. So please keep that stuff out of here. If you have something to add that is worth saying please do.
    I know exactly how you feel, SD is a very potent compound and people underestimate its value. I started my current recomp cycle by pulsing SD at 1 cap preworkout for 3 weeks. It's very nice, over 3 weeks I only went through 12 capsules, so the toxicity and shutdown imparted is negligible.

    But by the 2nd workout i got better pumps, by the 4th i was feeling harder and by the 5th pill (FIVE PILLS!) i actually LOOKED a little harder. I was recomping so the strength gains were soooo slow but this method has real potential.

    SD is known to **** with lipids and other but I think since the total mg of the compound ingested is so low, it cannot possibly be enough to accumulate much damage to lipids.

    I think you should keep to the pulse instead of trying 1x a week. See if you can keep the gains coming. For a pulse I see no reason why you can't run 8 weeks...

    Also i do believe you about not feeling shut down at all. 1 cap has a half life of 6 hours, so 24 hours later you are at (.5)^4 = 1/8 concentration, by the time you take the next dose you are at (.5)^8 = .004 of the original concentration... It is virtually gone and allows you to recover... I noticed as well when I pulsed Epi that my balls maintained a good size that I normally only see in PCT when they are "coming back" as if the cycles were stimulating them. I never felt shutdown and PCT was easy... maybe not even necessary.... That was 8 weeks of Epi pulsed up to 50mg too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    I know exactly how you feel, SD is a very potent compound and people underestimate its value. I started my current recomp cycle by pulsing SD at 1 cap preworkout for 3 weeks. It's very nice, over 3 weeks I only went through 12 capsules, so the toxicity and shutdown imparted is negligible.

    But by the 2nd workout i got better pumps, by the 4th i was feeling harder and by the 5th pill (FIVE PILLS!) i actually LOOKED a little harder. I was recomping so the strength gains were soooo slow but this method has real potential.

    SD is known to **** with lipids and other but I think since the total mg of the compound ingested is so low, it cannot possibly be enough to accumulate much damage to lipids.

    I think you should keep to the pulse instead of trying 1x a week. See if you can keep the gains coming. For a pulse I see no reason why you can't run 8 weeks...

    Also i do believe you about not feeling shut down at all. 1 cap has a half life of 6 hours, so 24 hours later you are at (.5)^4 = 1/8 concentration, by the time you take the next dose you are at (.5)^8 = .004 of the original concentration... It is virtually gone and allows you to recover... I noticed as well when I pulsed Epi that my balls maintained a good size that I normally only see in PCT when they are "coming back" as if the cycles were stimulating them. I never felt shutdown and PCT was easy... maybe not even necessary.... That was 8 weeks of Epi pulsed up to 50mg too.
    You are describing exaclty how I feel right now. I am on my 7th pill about to be my eigth tonight.

    I fully intend to keep my pulse cycle going just to establish these gains. I am incredibly happy with 6-7 pounds and honestly I am content with where my physique is at right now minus a few areas. I could always get bigger but I am not trying to go too far beyond my genetic potential because I want to be able to maintain and not get all saggy one day when I am older.

    As far as PCT goes, if I were to stop my cycle right now I feel I would be better off not taking anything. I have Nolva but I think I would balance out quicker if I just ceased messing with exogenous hormones.

    I perhaps will keep this cycle going for 2 more weeks just to really establish these gains, assess how I feel and take it from there. Then in about 2 more months I will begin my experimental 1 dose a week idea to see if it can improve a lagging bodypart.
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    I love the fact that somebody who is actually thinking outside of the same old forum board bro-science laws about this stuff. I think it sound completely reasonable and well worth the little risk it may or may not carry. I actually went as far as experimenting with a low dose propadrol pulse DURING my last PCT and my recent blood pannel I had taken for other reasons showed the highest blood volume conentration of test I've ever had on a test...that was 3 or 4 weeks past the end of PCT but still. I'm glad to see someone stretching the narrowmindedness of the steroid forum nation. I say go for it man and I am extremely interested in learning what kind of results you get over the next few months.
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    I cant pulse...I end up wanting to take it every day lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    I cant pulse...I end up wanting to take it every day lol.

    Sounds like you love being ON like the rest of us. How do you feel when you are not ON....don't you miss it? Being on cycle for only 3-4 weeks and only doing 2 or 3 cycles per year means you are OFF much more than you are ON.

    This is one reason I enjoy Pulsing. It allows me to have part of that great, ON feeling for a longer period of time. Even if its not as intense.
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    I agree. Taking a single dose of SD once a week pre-workout for a body part that is lagging (to accentuate gains over a 10,12 or 14-week span) seems like a sound thing to try. IMO it would be far less harmful to the body than the typical 3 weeks at 1 to 2 caps per day.

    There are so many bros who are caught up the whole "I gained 18 lbs in 3 weeks" concept. Have some patience guys. What if you could gain 7 or 8 lbs of lean mass over 10 - 14 weeks with virtually no sides? And those gains would be far easier to keep more than likely.

    It's something worth trying at least.

    I would be sure to take plenty of fish oil over than span, plus a natty test booster the evening of the weekly SD dose.

    Intriguing concept at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by indianballer View Post
    I love the fact that somebody who is actually thinking outside of the same old forum board bro-science laws about this stuff. I think it sound completely reasonable and well worth the little risk it may or may not carry. I actually went as far as experimenting with a low dose propadrol pulse DURING my last PCT and my recent blood pannel I had taken for other reasons showed the highest blood volume conentration of test I've ever had on a test...that was 3 or 4 weeks past the end of PCT but still. I'm glad to see someone stretching the narrowmindedness of the steroid forum nation. I say go for it man and I am extremely interested in learning what kind of results you get over the next few months.
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    Thank you for the comments guys. I have been thinking more about this
    and how they used to cycle back in Arnold's day before there were SERMs and things of that nature. I am specualting here but I would imagine that they took their AAS in more of a pulsing type fashion to avoid shutdown.

    So here is my idea. It seems that since I am not shut down, I will taper my dosage of the m-drol. So basically instead of taking 3 times a week, I will taper to 2 times a week for days that that I want to improve on. Then after perhaps 2 weeks I will then cut out another day of m-drol and be taking on just leg day. Then after 2 weeks, I will cease entirely. I will assess how I feel and take it from there. I should be coming out of this cycle rip roaring and ready to go without any PCT. Of course this is a theory but I am willing to give it a try.
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    I think I like the lower longer theory..I was talking with URM about an epi 10mg for 3 + months with reg bloodwork. seeing as how its mild and has a 6hrHL a person could go longer than with hdrol or SD.
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    And, if you take it, for exemple, on chest training day, will it really affect your chest volume size in... let's say 8training ?
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    yah i asked a similar question like 6months ago take 1 cap on arm days, how much benefit? i might do this year 2010 1st quater
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    Ive been thinking about this alot.
    Ive come up with two possible ways of doing this.

    Twice a week dosage at 10 mg per time (2 workouts dividing the body parts into 2) pre workout (Mon and Thursday). Ive found less workouts ar emore especially when cutting. I tend to maitain all muscle if not slowly gain by limiting to 2 workouts a week on a cut. It goes against conventional theory BUT it works very well. TOTAL SD PER WEEK IS 20 mg

    Every Day dosage at 3 mg per day. More conventional 4 day a week workouts. Bulking time. 3mg to tip the scales in favor of anabolism. TOTAL SD PER WEEK IS 21 mg

    So per week dosage are about the same at 20 mg. Im not sure which would be more beneficial, or cause more if any suppression.

    I think a compound that has such a high anabolic factor with a low androgenic factor that binds strongly to the AR, is a great choice for something like this. If you take into account the androgenic factor and say u would want to add an equivalent dosage of testosterone for the same anabolic effect while not being as suppressive because of the lower androgenic effect. In your body you would suffer a lower overall test number if pure test was added until homeostasis was reached resulting in no overall anabolic advantage over time. With low dose SD your body will lower test levels to the equivalent adrogenic effect of SD which is lower than test, but the overall anabolic effect would be like a higher level of test over time. The trick is to dose low enough (or sporadically eneough) where the level of test is only slightly reduced or misplaced by the SD (androgenic potential), while that SD in place would have a much higher anabolic effect there, than the testosterone it misplaced.

    To look at it in another way
    100 mg extra of test a week over time would lower your overall test production, while 15 mg of SD would have the same (maybe more) anabolic effect while causing less suppression. So the concept is different here from the typical approach to cycling, where massive hormone levels will no doubt be suppressive. This is more of a TIP THE SCALES type of thing. Smartly managing your anabolic hormone levels for slow steady gains

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    Steps to making this work in your favor:
    1. Find a compound with LOW androgenic effects, and HIGH anabolic effects

    2. Determine how much equivalent testosterone boost per week you would like:
    50 mg extra of test a week would misplace 50 mg of endegenous test over time. if you started with 200 mg of endegenous test production, you would end up with 150 mg endegenous plus the 50 mg extra u added for a set point of 200 mg. But 200 mg of test = 200 mg worth of anabolism (test being the standard)

    3. Determine the equivalent amount of SD that would cause the same amount of anabolism of 50 mg extra test a week. Lets say that number is 14 mg SD. This is your weekly dose of SD. So daily would be 2 mg a day. or you could divide by pulse days and split doses.

    4. The suppresion of endegenous Test by SD at 14 mg a week will be less than 50 mg of injected test a week, while maintaining a higher level of anabolism.

    5. So while 50 mg of extra test reduced your endegenous levels to 150 mg, and left no higher overall anabolic effect of 200 mg. 14 mg of SD might reduce your overall endegenous test levels to 186 mg, but the overall equivalent anabolic effect would be of lets say 250 test mg a week

    6. The relationship is give and take. Slight suppression for higher anabolism than equivalent test levels.

    7. You are misplacing a small amount of endegenous test for SD. This unit of misplacement will cause a lot more anabolism than the test it misplaced.

    8. Think of it as one step backward, two steps forward with SD. Regular test replacement would be one step back, one step forward.

    9. This will not cause massive explosive gains, but tip the scales in your favor of anabolism



    I will be experimenting with 2-3 mg of SD a day, over the course of 8-10 weeks
    I might add in low dose (10 mg) 6-bromo and 50 mg DHEA as well, to tip the scales in favor of higher endegenous test.
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    Problem is, how will you determine if the gain are made of SD or 6-bromo/DHEA supp ?

    Because I suppose it will be only mild and visible for a long time period, so will you appropriate this to SD (and not nutrition, sleep, trainning) etc.
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    When did the anabolics section switch to comedic relief?

    lol......

    no need to cycle mdrol............ now thats funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pocketboy View Post
    Problem is, how will you determine if the gain are made of SD or 6-bromo/DHEA supp ?

    Because I suppose it will be only mild and visible for a long time period, so will you appropriate this to SD (and not nutrition, sleep, trainning) etc.
    I see............better idea to keep all other factors the same.

    just add the low dose SD, nothing else.

    I suppose consistant 5 lb strength gains on major lifts every week or two would show progress, thats how i gauge my muscle building since i believe its the only reliable way (increases in strength).

    Increases in muscular size without accompanying strength can be lost very quickly IMHO. Its just not a reliable indicator. Increased muscle glycogen stores, increased cardiovascular nteworks within muscles are factors that increase muscles size but increases in actual contractile tissue are what I attribute to strength increase.
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