How many PH cycles are safe in a year?

[PegasusActual]

Hey all,

Hope this is the right place for this question - was having trouble getting to the top level of the forums. Here goes:

I recently tried Tren Xtreme and had the most horrible results you can imagine; huge water retention, major depression, and complete loss of libido. I followed workout/diet to a T and no luck. I had to get off it early in fact. I just must be in a percentage of people that have the exact opposite respone of what TX is advertised to do. I am now currently finishing up my PCT with a SERM.

What I did try last year with GREAT results was RPN's Havoc. I had a general feeling of well being, crazy libido, positive attitude and amazing dry gains. I would love to try it again and soon as I feel cheated by my Tren cycle, lol, but I do not want to hurt myself. I was wondering if someone could inform me how many cycles of prohormones one should take in a year, or whatever the proper timeframe may be. I am really looking to avoid health issues and I don't mind waiting. I just want to know what the best course of action is

Thanks for reading/answering my first post!

PA

 

[NJbreed]

I SAY 2.. 3 AT MAX

 

[PowerHouse555]

Personally I run no more than 2 cycles a year and has served me very well. Others will probably mention that they do more but I always side with caution.

Its not a matter of what you gain but what you keep ~me

 

[Young Gotti]

i believe the basic rule was the amount of time it took for the cycle + the amount of time it took for the pct equals the time off between ph cycles, so if this was the case, maybe 3 or 4 but that sounds like a bit much, i just finished my first ph which was mild with no results, actually lost 3 lbs and ate everything i could...but either way i was going to take a ph in the winter for bulking purposes only and one at the end of spring early summer that shows dry gains

 

[H8duke]

2.
That'll give your receptors plenty of time to recoup.

 

[suncloud]

here's the theory. time on + pct = time off.

so a 6 week cycle + 4 week PCT = 10 weeks off. that's 20 weeks total so far. so two 6 week cycles and a short cycle (2-3 weeks) + PCT and time off would round out the year.

 

[PegasusActual]

First off thanks for the replies!

Let's see if I have this correct:

I was on Tren for 4 weeks and PCT for 4 weeks equaling 8 weeks total.

So from the last day of my PCT, I should wait 8 weeks before cycling again?

Thanks again folks!

PA

 

[PowerHouse555]

I would side with caution and recommend that your time off should always be longer then your time on. While the human body is adaptive and will normalize it's easier to shut it down then it is to start it back up. One also has to think of HDL & LDL issues and liver valve functions.

FYI- Its not a matter on what you gain, but what you keep! ~me

 

[UnrealMachine]

If they're 4 weekers it could be 3, longer than that you should limit it to 2... I understand the temptation tho, i've been going over 4 weeks and doing 3 a year... Yeah I know that I should know better... Do like i say, not like I do...

 

[PegasusActual]

Ok guys, thanks again - I'll give it a good wait until I try it again. Maybe in the fall.

Thanks!
PA

 

[TravisG]

just like suncloud said. i believe that is the rule. Time on cycle plus PCT time equals time between cycles. i just ran a 5 week cycle and im doing 4 weeks of pct so once i get done with this pct cycle i have to wait 9 weeks to start another cycle. use that time to build and purchase another bad ass cycle.

 

[futurepilot]

If you plan on living past 50 I wouldn't do more than 1.

Think about it, if you do even 3 cycles a year starting at 21, until your 50, thats about 90 cycles in your lifetime, if you think you going to gain 10lbs every cycle, you wont. If you do, call me, because you'll be a 900lb 50yr and I'll take you too Barnum and Bailey.

Besides that fact that we take all these ancillary supplements to prevent, high blood pressure, prostate issues, RBC/WBC, liver values etc.

If you continue to tax your body for an extended length of time it will fail you.

 

[PegasusActual]

Ok what about going on something like 6-oxo? Would that be considered just a test booster? Or does that fall in the realm of prohomornes? Is that something that I can get on and not have to worry about the level of body damage I would while on a PH?

Info here: (add in the "h" before "ttp")
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Androstene-3,6,17-trione

 

[Zero V]

ZERO cycles would be the number for safe, you correctly mean how many can you push it and get away with.

 

[UnrealMachine]

6-OXO is an aromatose inhibitor. AI's suicidally bind to the aromatase enzyme, which will prevent conversion of testosterone into estrogen. As estrogen levels drop, the body gets into a "negative feedback loop" and produces more testosterone.

So yes it's a test booster, not a prohormone.

 

[PegasusActual]

@ Zero V - Right, I think I am beginning to get it. The seed of caution that is growing in the back of my mind is too big to ignore - which is why I am now leaning more towards a really good natural test booster and was wondering if 6-OXO would be it.

@UnrealMachine - Cool I just wonder if the andro is ok... I would like to take liver support with this thing even if most folks think it's not needed.

Thanks!

 

[mooch2321]

here's the theory. time on + pct = time off.

so a 6 week cycle + 4 week PCT = 10 weeks off. that's 20 weeks total so far. so two 6 week cycles and a short cycle (2-3 weeks) + PCT and time off would round out the year.

pct?? time off??? can you elaborate? is this english???? im confused

First off thanks for the replies!

Let's see if I have this correct:

I was on Tren for 4 weeks and PCT for 4 weeks equaling 8 weeks total.

So from the last day of my PCT, I should wait 8 weeks before cycling again?

Thanks again folks!

PA

o/t - what is pegasus actual from? is that starship troopers? im brainfarting?

 

[lozgod]

There is no real way to answer that question. I do not think one cycle of a methylated steroid in a lifetime is "safe". You never know how much arteriosclerosis took place. One cycle may be the ground work for a stroke or heart attack 30 years later. 5 6 week Test prop cycles in a year may not have any consequence to pay for ever or maybe it could do endocrine damage that affects you years later. The answer is you never know. You just roll the dice and hope to not crap out.

The advice offered is good but there is no guaranteed safe way to cycle. Also, if you think these liver protectors and herbs for blood pressure and cholesterol make it any safer I have to say that is foolish to believe. If you think ANY dose of a plant versus a chemically engineered hormone is a fair fight then that has to be a lack of common sense.

 

[PegasusActual]

@ lozgod - Right I am starting to get that. I am thinking maybe no more prohormones for me. I do want to try the 6-oxo tho, or PrimaForce's trione clone of it.

@ Mooch2321 - it's from Battlestar Galactica "Actual" is code for Commander of a Battleship in naval Terms. Pegasus actual means Commander of Battlestar Pegasus. Geeky I know but just sounds damn cool.

Anyways I figured i would grab a bottle or two of PrimaForce Androstenetrione, 60 Capsules.

thanks guys.

PA

 

[mooch2321]

@ lozgod - Right I am starting to get that. I am thinking maybe no more prohormones for me. I do want to try the 6-oxo tho, or PrimaForce's trione clone of it.

@ Mooch2321 - it's from Battlestar Galactica "Actual" is code for Commander of a Battleship in naval Terms. Pegasus actual means Commander of Battlestar Pegasus. Geeky I know but just sounds damn cool.

Anyways I figured i would grab a bottle or two of PrimaForce Androstenetrione, 60 Capsules.

thanks guys.

PA

i knew id heard that somewhere...

 

[suncloud]

pct?? time off??? can you elaborate? is this english???? im confused

alright.. i'll try english.... PCT is Pest Control Technology.... you need time off, a vacation perhaps, while PCT is doing its job....

 

[AMTorres]

Haha, you know how long it took me to finally figure this out?!?! I've done about 10 ph cycles, and this whole time I thought PCT was a multi vitamin that is taken after a cycle! I think after my next cycle I will book a flight to hawaii! I just won't be able to go without my sports bra, the weirdest thing, once i started lifting my moobs started growing in! What's up with that?!?!

alright.. i'll try english.... PCT is Pest Control Technology.... you need time off, a vacation perhaps, while PCT is doing its job....

 

[mooch2321]

alright.. i'll try english.... PCT is Pest Control Technology.... you need time off, a vacation perhaps, while PCT is doing its job....

ahhh...i knew i could count on you sunny....thanks for not flaming me

 

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[mooch2321]

^^^^^strong second post....any of the steroids on that list would be fine for putting on mass

 

[UnrealMachine]

preworkout supps can stack with AI's sure

probably best to cycle creatine but if it's working well then keep going...

Questions are better suited fo rthe supplement section not the steroid section

 

[PegasusActual]

Yeah I was wondering if I should stick to this thread or start a new one. I am going to repost this in the supps section - thanks UM.