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    Getting Lean and Mean with Epi/11-oxo (log)


    Aight everyone first log here at AM as well as my first cycle, looking forward to seeing how this pans out. Some info about myself - currently 6'0, ~203lbs, ~12-13%, Age 24.

    Here's how the cycle is going to run:

    Epi - 30/30/30/40/40/40
    11-oxo - 0/0/0/0/0/450/450/450

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    Support Supps:

    Cycle Assist (on and pct), Taurine, B-complex

    Plus all your usuals like a multi, joint support, whey, aminos, etc.
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    PCT:

    Reversitol - 3/2/2/1/0/0
    AI PCS - 0/0/4/4/4/4
    Lean Xtreme - 0/0/3/3/3/3
    Activate Xtreme & Powerfull - will start after the reversitol is gone

    SERM - Toremifene, on hand. Will use only if I begin to see gyno/acne/shrinkage etc.

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    Diet:

    First 4 weeks:
    Mon - 300p/300c/100f
    Tue - 300p/200c/100f
    Wed - 300p/100c/100f
    Thu - repeat mon
    Fri - repeat tue
    Sat - repeat wed
    Sun - free day, lower protein, higher carb, lower fat

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    Looking to lean out and/or recomp......here we go!

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    Day 1 - I just decided to take my epi with breakfast today. To be honest I definitely felt that dose today. Just took 1 10 mg pill. I'll probably split the first week like this 10/20/20/20/20/30/30 just to ease into it.
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    thats fine, all recommendations usually say start at 10mg for the first couple days, then ramp the dosage up. Looks good. Sub'd
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    Nice set up man good luck, i say do 20 today and if you feel alright go on 30 tomorrow an the rest of the week, its mild an 10's an 20 are kind of a waste of a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktatro1 View Post
    thats fine, all recommendations usually say start at 10mg for the first couple days, then ramp the dosage up. Looks good. Sub'd
    Quote Originally Posted by ilovefish View Post
    Nice set up man good luck, i say do 20 today and if you feel alright go on 30 tomorrow an the rest of the week, its mild an 10's an 20 are kind of a waste of a week.
    Thanks guys, good to have you guys along. I'm probably going to keep the 10/20/20/20/20/30/30 for the first week, maybe change to 10/20/20/20/30/30/30. There is no need to rush anything - 1st cycle so I just want to see how it goes. I do appreciate your opinions...i'm just going to base things on how i'm feeling and how my body responds. Tomorrow i'll definitely up it to 20.

    My dosing times will be:
    8am (with breakfast)
    1pm (with snack)
    530pm (pre workout)

    I'll work up to a 10mg dose in each time slot, then throw in an extra 10mg dose in the morning when I hit 40mg.
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    No problem man your body do what you think is best. definately keep up on the joint support and maybe add some fish oil if your not already taking it to help keep the joints lubed up , by week 4 when i ran epi the pain was pretty bad in my knees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovefish View Post
    No problem man your body do what you think is best. definately keep up on the joint support and maybe add some fish oil if your not already taking it to help keep the joints lubed up , by week 4 when i ran epi the pain was pretty bad in my knees.
    Got that covered too brother.....taking 2 packs of animal omega a day!
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    workout went good tonight. felt great. Here's some numbers from tonights quad and calf session - I'll just throw up numbers from the last and heaviest set from each exercise. I generally do about 4 sets per exercise.

    Quads -
    Leg Ext - 255x8 drop to 150x8
    BB Hack Squat - 295x6
    Front Squat - 250x5
    Back Squat - 315x5

    Calves -
    Seated for 5 sets @ 95x10 with 10 raises from the floor in between
    Seated for 5 sets @ 215x10 with 10 raises from the floor in between

    Will bump the dosage up to 20 mg tomorrow
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    subbed good luck with your first cycle
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    sub'd.

    I'm new here, but after a few days of furious research I'm looking to run something similar as my first cycle in a month or two.

    I'm almost identical stats too, minus about 10 lbs, 2-3% BF, and 2 years. ill be following with interest, good luck man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wood23 View Post
    subbed good luck with your first cycle
    Thanks man. Great to have you along!

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    sub'd son!
    Yeahhhhhh guy!

    Quote Originally Posted by spadesofaces View Post
    sub'd.

    I'm new here, but after a few days of furious research I'm looking to run something similar as my first cycle in a month or two.

    I'm almost identical stats too, minus about 10 lbs, 2-3% BF, and 2 years. ill be following with interest, good luck man!
    Cool man glad to have you along as well. New or old doesn't matter to me. I'm glad you can following along with interest - the whole purpose of this log is to not only make a contribution to AM, but to pass the buck (so to speak) appropriately on to those that sub and read this log and to those that may stumble across this in their independent research.

    Thanks for all of you guys who have been posting thus far....the more we have the more successful this log will be IMO. Looks like this log is going to be a great ride fellas hope you are all buckled in!
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    Will folow along here man.
    Looking forward to see how you get on.
    I actually find my body shape is getting better on pct.
    But all in all its a great cycle.
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    Nice workout man, they'll only get better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by donagh View Post
    Will folow along here man.
    Looking forward to see how you get on.
    I actually find my body shape is getting better on pct.
    But all in all its a great cycle.
    Great to hear your PCT is going well for you brother, great to have you along!

    Quote Originally Posted by ilovefish View Post
    Nice workout man, they'll only get better!
    Exactly. I came off of keto a few weeks ago and was just eating at maintenance to let my metabolism rest....needless to say my strength has really came back. Can't wait to see where epi is going to take my strength levels.
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    Ive heard mixed reviews on using LX in PCT...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    Ive heard mixed reviews on using LX in PCT...
    So have I, but it's already been bought so i'm gonna use it.
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    Ive tired lean xtreme for fat burning purposes and use in pct in my experience its useless in a fat burning scenerio i just didnt notice anything from it but for use in pct i started it the day after my cycle i didnt wait a few weeks and it alllowed me to keep eating massive amounts and i only lost a few pounds an recomped nicely during pct i believe it helped keep the fat off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovefish View Post
    Ive tired lean xtreme for fat burning purposes and use in pct in my experience its useless in a fat burning scenerio i just didnt notice anything from it but for use in pct i started it the day after my cycle i didnt wait a few weeks and it alllowed me to keep eating massive amounts and i only lost a few pounds an recomped nicely during pct i believe it helped keep the fat off.
    Yea i want to wait a few weeks after the 11-oxo is over since it does a good job of blocking cortisol anyways. Definitely good to know man thanks for the heads up.
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    Oh yeah i forgot about the 11 oxo bridge
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovefish View Post
    Oh yeah i forgot about the 11 oxo bridge
    It's all good man! Here are some of the numbers from back and bi's tonight....

    Back -
    HS Row - 3pps x7, followed by 3pps + 25ps x4
    DB Row - 110x6
    *After this just did a little bit of this and little bit of that...wide grip, neutral grip, and close grip pullups, light deads (i have a bad lower back), a set of V bar pulldowns*

    Bi's -
    DB Curl - 50x7
    BB Curl - 90x5 drop to 40x10
    Curl machine - just banged out as many reps as possible till failure, then turned up the weight and did it again for a few sets

    30 mins ab class at golds

    AM Cardio - 10 mins elliptical, 40 mins incline tread, 5 mins jump rope

    Felt really good - probably more placebo at this point...but still feel like my strength is getting back to where it should be after being on keto for so long.

    Going to dose again at 20 mg tomorrow and may bump it to 30 the day after that. Going to just play it by ear and see how i'm feeling.

    Would like to report that last night I had a bit of trouble sleeping...and I take ZMA and melatonin. I took my dosings of Cycle Assist really close together last night (within 4 hours).....and I think that may be what have kept me up. Whatever. Will keep you all posted on this as it develops.
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    #'s from tonight....

    Flat BB - 275x1

    Machine Flyes - 150x10

    HS Incline Press - 2pps + 25ps x8

    HS Decline Press - 2pps + 25ps x8

    Calves - 215x10, 235x10, 195x10 w/sets of 10 after each 10

    AM Cardio - 45 mins incline tread, 5 min run, 5 min jump rope

    PM Cardio - 20 mins stairmaster

    Slept like a rock last night....and I think I was right in my thinking that the cycle assist doses were just too close together.

    Other than that, I had a very slight and very brief headache during my workout today, but it was noticeable. Going to keep my dosing at 20 tomorrow and keep an eye out for any more headaches to pop up.
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    Loooooooooooks good mang.....I just bought a cycle's worth of Epi yesterday. Probly gonna start it in like 5-6weeks, but starting to pull everything together now. Can't waite to see how it works out for you. Keep up the good work though. Whats you calorie split look like each day (pro/fat/carb)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktatro1 View Post
    Loooooooooooks good mang.....I just bought a cycle's worth of Epi yesterday. Probly gonna start it in like 5-6weeks, but starting to pull everything together now. Can't waite to see how it works out for you. Keep up the good work though. Whats you calorie split look like each day (pro/fat/carb)?
    Thanks brother! If you see my initial post, it explains my macros for each day of the week. After 4 weeks of that, i'll turn things down a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    workout went good tonight. felt great. Here's some numbers from tonights quad and calf session - I'll just throw up numbers from the last and heaviest set from each exercise. I generally do about 4 sets per exercise.

    Quads -
    Leg Ext - 255x8 drop to 150x8
    BB Hack Squat - 295x6
    Front Squat - 250x5
    Back Squat - 315x5

    Calves -
    Seated for 5 sets @ 95x10 with 10 raises from the floor in between
    Seated for 5 sets @ 215x10 with 10 raises from the floor in between

    Will bump the dosage up to 20 mg tomorrow

    is that the whole workout or just highlites??? im a hyoooge fan of low volume...a dc convert myself.....
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    DB Press - 85x5

    Rear Delt/Row Machine - 170x5

    DB Laterals - 40x6

    Seated Bent Over Rear Delt Raise - 30x8

    Arnolds - 70x6

    DB Shrug - 130x5

    Upright Rows - 80x8

    AM Cardio - 45 min incline tread, 5 min run, 5 min jump rope
    PM Cardio - 10 min stairmaster, 5 min jump rope
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    is that the whole workout or just highlites??? im a hyoooge fan of low volume...a dc convert myself.....
    Just the highlights - if I was going to do that low of a volume i'd go much much heavier. I've done DC training before with success too, adapted it to a 5-day split and it worked great I put on some mass. I generally do about 3-4 sets per exercise depending on how i'm feeling...how many exercises I do also depends on how i'm feeling.

    I'm generally like to save those kind of routines for mass gains. When I cut all I really worry about is getting in the gym and getting a pump. I don't really try to follow much of anything I just do whatever I feel like doing.
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    Tri's and Hams

    Rope Pulldowns - L13x6

    CGBP - 225x5

    Dips - banged a bunch out at body weight

    Reverse One Handed Pulldowns - L4x6

    Ham/Glute Raise - Rack x12

    DB Lunges - 70x??? (I was in the zone at this point)

    Seated Leg Curl - 150x8

    Lying Leg Curl - 150x6

    AM Cardio - 45 min incline tread, 5 min run, 5 min jump rope
    PM Cardio - 15 min stairmaster

    Notes from today - Upped my dosage to 30 mg. All I gotta say is......

    Not Now Chief I'm in the ****in Zone!

    I was sooooo in the zone today. I could have worked out for so long! I had to make myself leave the gym. Definitely had an added sense of being/euphoria today. Good ****. So far no noticeable negative sides....but then again we are still in week 1 here.
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    is your a.m. cardio fasted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    is your a.m. cardio fasted?
    Yes sir! I just can't handle working out that early on a full stomach plus I feel like that will do a better job of hitting fat stores.
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    I like fasted cardio...sometimes Ill do HIIT, but its killer, maybe a whey shake before
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    X-tend for that fasted cardio!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    BOOO. Purple Wraath!!!
    ewww!!! i always knew you had problems....but come on man!
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    If I drink anything during my cardio sessions it's LG Science's BCAA + EAA blend that they have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Tri's and Hams


    Notes from today - Upped my dosage to 30 mg. All I gotta say is......

    Not Now Chief I'm in the ****in Zone!
    do you grunt when you get your swell on in the gym so everyone can see how JACKED and TAN you are?
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    For morning cardio I'll wake up, take 10-15g BCAAs, then go for a run 20-30 mins later. When I get back I slam a 15g casein hydrolysate shake and then make breakfast.

    I think the important point isnt the exact type of aminos you get (whey, CH, BCAAs, EAAs etc) pre morning cardio, just that you get some quickly absorbed protein into your system before doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spadesofaces View Post
    do you grunt when you get your swell on in the gym so everyone can see how JACKED and TAN you are?
    Hell ya.....I didn't even sign in either.

    Quote Originally Posted by spadesofaces View Post
    For morning cardio I'll wake up, take 10-15g BCAAs, then go for a run 20-30 mins later. When I get back I slam a 15g casein hydrolysate shake and then make breakfast.

    I think the important point isnt the exact type of aminos you get (whey, CH, BCAAs, EAAs etc) pre morning cardio, just that you get some quickly absorbed protein into your system before doing it.
    Yea as long as you're getting some pre, post or both that's all that really matters.
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