i have a question about m5aa. it converts to proviron dosent it? its used primarily as an anti-aromatase drug, and has no anabolic proprties. so someone using it should expect no gains from it. so its only good for pre-workout boost, is that true?
it converts to masteron I believe, not proviron.i have a question about m5aa. it converts to proviron dosent it? its used primarily as an anti-aromatase drug, and has no anabolic proprties. so someone using it should expect no gains from it. so its only good for pre-workout boost, is that true?
Proviron = 1 alpha-methyl-DHT
Masteron = 2 alpha-methyl-DHT
5-AA converts into DHT so M5-AA converts in 17-methyl DHT. Its different than both above. At least thats whats I see.
They both are methylated. Proviron is just orally active.proviron is methylated masteron
from big cat article:
Unfortunately there is a control mechanism for DHT in the human body. When levels get too high, the 3alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme converts it to a mostly inactive compound known as 3-alpha (5-alpha-androstan-3alpha,17beta-diol), a prohormone if you will. It can equally convert back to DHT by way of the same enzyme when low levels of DHT are detected. But it means that unless one uses ridiculously high amounts, most of what is administered is quite useless at the height of the androgen receptor in muscle tissue and thus mesterolone is not particularly suited, if at all, to promote muscle hypertrophy.
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dose the same thing happen with m5aa? its useless for muscle building because dht converts back?
Masteron is not 2 alpha methyl DHT, masteron is drostanolone propionate which is not methylated.Proviron = 1 alpha-methyl-DHT
Masteron = 2 alpha-methyl-DHT
5-AA converts into DHT so M5-AA converts in 17-methyl DHT. Its different than both above. At least thats whats I see.
MasteronMasteron is not 2 alpha methyl DHT, masteron is drostanolone propionate which is not methylated.
To the original post, the product hormone is mestanolone.
How can M5AA convert into Proviron? Who said that?Masteron is not 2 alpha methyl DHT, masteron is drostanolone propionate which is not methylated.
To the original post, the product hormone is mestanolone.
Masteron is not 2 alpha methyl DHT, masteron is drostanolone propionate which is not methylated.
To the original post, the product hormone is mestanolone.
huh?Its like masteron but its not masteron.
Never claimed M5AA converted into Proviron. I didn't say that, only you I suppose.How can M5AA convert into Proviron? Who said that?
Masteron is still methylated. Its just not orally active or 17 alpha-alkylated.
I didn't say that. I misread. THats why it surprised me. Thought you said Mesterolone. Who said it converted into Primo?Never claimed M5AA converted into Proviron. I didn't say that, only you I suppose.
Did you lean out at all, gain, lose weight? How high did your lifts go up? ThanksI took m5aa for two weeks (20mg/day 1st week, then 20mg pre wo only 2nd week). I've only had two workouts w/o the m5 so far. I seem to have kept my strength, but I will say the weight feels heavier now, it's just harder to get through my sets. It's a mind thing really, the focus and aggression helps a lot. There's no doubt, you can feel 20mg. I had absolutely no problems with my prostate (which is normally fairly sensitive), and didn't notice any hair loss (although I also used spiro), but I did get some acne on my shoulders and felt a little more aggressive. I'm cutting now, and it made every workout feel like a great workout. I don't think it shut me down much if at all. I was considering stacking it with m1t later (m5 pre wo only), but honestly the two substances both jack my blood pressure too much to use them together (and liver I assume). As far as hepatotoxicity, I only know what bobo and chemo have said, so I know to take low doses of any methyl, for relatively short cycles, with no methyl stacking.
what did you use for pct and at what dosages?I took m5aa for two weeks (20mg/day 1st week, then 20mg pre wo only 2nd week). I've only had two workouts w/o the m5 so far. I seem to have kept my strength, but I will say the weight feels heavier now, it's just harder to get through my sets. It's a mind thing really, the focus and aggression helps a lot. There's no doubt, you can feel 20mg. I had absolutely no problems with my prostate (which is normally fairly sensitive), and didn't notice any hair loss (although I also used spiro), but I did get some acne on my shoulders and felt a little more aggressive. I'm cutting now, and it made every workout feel like a great workout. I don't think it shut me down much if at all. I was considering stacking it with m1t later (m5 pre wo only), but honestly the two substances both jack my blood pressure too much to use them together (and liver I assume). As far as hepatotoxicity, I only know what bobo and chemo have said, so I know to take low doses of any methyl, for relatively short cycles, with no methyl stacking.
I'm using nolva & clomid. 40/50 for 7 days, then dropped down to 20/25 for the last couple of days. I was cutting while on the m5aa, but I've upped my cals and fats post cycle, and started using FL7. I actually don't think there was much suppression (although I could be wrong), but I'd rather be safe than sorry. Normally post cycle I feel lethargic and slightly depressed, weak or no libido, and trouble maintaining an erection. None of the above so far. The weird thing is that clomid, even at that low dose, usually makes me irritable, but it's not bothering me now. Only anti-e sides I feel are dry joints - ouch!what did you use for pct and at what dosages?
I leaned out, lost about 5 lbs in two weeks. I'm trying out 5x5 and found that I could go heavier than I normally could even though I was in caloric deficit. I'd do 5 reps of the weight I should be using (incremented from my previous workout), then realize I needed to add another 5 or 10lbs (db or bb). M5aa made my workouts more intense, and generally easier to handle. I usually get drained pretty easily when I cut calories, but I was just pounding the sets out and had a hard time waiting long enough (90-120 secs) to hit the weights again between sets.Did you lean out at all, gain, lose weight? How high did your lifts go up? Thanks
JR
So run as a cutter like:I'm using nolva & clomid. 40/50 for 7 days, then dropped down to 20/25 for the last couple of days. I was cutting while on the m5aa, but I've upped my cals and fats post cycle, and started using FL7. I actually don't think there was much suppression (although I could be wrong), but I'd rather be safe than sorry. Normally post cycle I feel lethargic and slightly depressed, weak or no libido, and trouble maintaining an erection. None of the above so far. The weird thing is that clomid, even at that low dose, usually makes me irritable, but it's not bothering me now. Only anti-e sides I feel are dry joints - ouch!
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