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    Hi all !
    I'm a new member on this cool forum !
    It so complet and interesting !

    My english isn't very well, sorry !

    Weight : 180bs 15-16%bf 6'.06
    I eat big, sleep big, work big and i'm natural, i want to do a cycle of PH.
    I bought X-mass, cycle suport and PCT from Competitive Edge Labs, and i want to know the bests PH for mass et strenght ! A stack?

    Can you post the name of the products you consider they are good for my goal ?
    I want to gain more than 10lbs, it's possible?
    Can you post the name of the best products for PCT adpated for the products i will use ?

    Thanks a lot guys !

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    well first off, welcome.

    ok so ur new to the ph game? normally for big mass and strength gains people will recommend m-drol. and you are going with a great company already with CEL, so i'd suggest u stick with them. 10lbs from a cycle is totally achieveable as long as diet and training are spot on. a stack for a first cycle is not a good idea. a stack for mass and strength, a really good one is p-plex and m-drol. owever since it is ur first run with any hormone, no stacking. as a first time user i would go with CEL e-stane or h-drol. very safe and effective and both are great on strength and muscle defintion. i love both of them. do some more research and read some people's logs before you decide to go ahead. the more you read and learn before you start the better.
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    Thanks a lot Bigpapa ! Very good forum and so cool members !
    So i will read logs for espistane, h-drol, p-plex and m-drol

    Wich products for PCT you recommend me with these PH ?
    Thanks!
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    I read P-plex increase the weight of the heart ? like all PH infact ?
    P-plex is better than Phera-max?

    dosage?5 weeks?

    Does PH without AA17 are good for mass?
    P-plex is a libido killer ?

    Thanks for answer to my questions!
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    Hey mus, how old are you? How long have you been training?

    This info would help direct you properly. I agree, Competitive Edge Labs is top notch, and I have used a few of their products. You cannot go wrong with them
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    I'm 23, i have my training since 5years
    Which products you advice me AE14, i want much mass and strenght !
    I dont want a libido killer :/
    Thanks !
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    I read about Epistane and it looks a very good PH !
    Can i gain more than 10lbs with a good diete ? 4000kcal?

    Thanks !
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    Epi is great but stick with m-drol if your looking for mass/strength. i dont advise you do mdrol or epi for you first cycle but its your life. Plan it well and look into a good PCT, you will need it after mdrol.(serm is a must)

    I just did a x mass cycle, its also a good ph for your goals.
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    many people use Epi for a first cycle. why do you advise against it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    many people use Epi for a first cycle. why do you advise against it?
    beats me
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    Quote Originally Posted by musclor5 View Post

    Weight : 180bs 15-16%bf 6'.06
    Wait, how tall are you? God, I hope you didn't mean 6'6"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gator 87 View Post
    Wait, how tall are you? God, I hope you didn't mean 6'6"...
    I try to converte it lol in fact : 1,85 metres

    So, i think i will do a cycle of X-mass during 5 weeks, with cycle suport and inhibit-E for PCT, it's right?

    Also, Epi is a libido killer or not ?

    Thanks guys !
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    Quote Originally Posted by musclor5 View Post
    I try to converte it lol in fact : 1,85 metres

    So, i think i will do a cycle of X-mass during 5 weeks, with cycle suport and inhibit-E for PCT, it's right?

    Also, Epi is a libido killer or not ?

    Thanks guys !
    I'd recommend getting a SERM for PCT if you are going to run the X-mass. I felt pretty shut down after 4 weeks at 90mg/day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musclor5 View Post
    I try to converte it lol in fact : 1,85 metres
    That's about 6'1"
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    Hmmm...so 6'1 and 180bs @ 15-16%bf? Sounds like you should probably work on your diet and training a bit more before hitting the PHs.
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    I love EPi/Havoc and think for a first run it is a solid choice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gator 87 View Post
    Hmmm...so 6'1 and 180bs @ 15-16%bf? Sounds like you should probably work on your diet and training a bit more before hitting the PHs.
    I agree. You should increase calories and train hard until you gain another 10-15lbs before considering a PH. You def have not hit your plateau. Good luck
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    What is a SERM ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKBB44 View Post
    I'd recommend getting a SERM for PCT if you are going to run the X-mass. I felt pretty shut down after 4 weeks at 90mg/day.
    You think i must use a product like a nolva and clomid for PCT ? Using cycle sypport, cycle assist or inhbit-e is not better ?
    and you say : 90mg/day but a cap of the new x-mass is 40mg, so it's 80mg/day or 120/day.
    The new x-mass kill the libido or not ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    many people use Epi for a first cycle. why do you advise against it?
    i don't really know why people do that. to me, if i'm putting a PH/PS in my body and i am aware of the sides and how to combat them, then what's the difference. if i do my homework and find out what i'm up against, i should be fine if i take mdrol, pp or epi. with a low dose, say 10mgs a day of mdrol, i highly doubt it will be that much more different than a mild dose of epi, say 30mgs. yes it's a hasher compound but with a few different sides, again do your homework and you'll be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musclor5 View Post
    What is a SERM ?
    google it
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    I hesitate between epistane and x-mass !
    mdrol, x-mass, p-plex, epistane : Wich of these PH are not a libido killer ?(i want 100% of libido)
    During the cycle, uou have a big libido ?lol
    Cycle support and PCT assist is good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by musclor5 View Post
    I hesitate between epistane and x-mass !
    mdrol, x-mass, p-plex, epistane : Wich of these PH are not a libido killer ?(i want 100% of libido)
    During the cycle, uou have a big libido ?lol
    Cycle support and PCT assist is good?
    Almost anything hormonal has the potential to kill your libido. Actual test is the only thing that won't do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musclor5 View Post
    You think i must use a product like a nolva and clomid for PCT ? Using cycle sypport, cycle assist or inhbit-e is not better ?
    and you say : 90mg/day but a cap of the new x-mass is 40mg, so it's 80mg/day or 120/day.
    The new x-mass kill the libido or not ?
    most people will recommend clomid for the progesterone sides, athough i ran nolva. At 90mg/day my libido was pretty non existent.

    My PCT looked like:
    I3C 200mg/day for 4 weeks
    nolva 20/20/20/20
    PCT support0/0/0/4caps/4/4/4

    and obviously was running cycle support through the course of the cycle and into PCT
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    At 90mg/day your libido was off ?!
    How i will do for have libido? testo booster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by musclor5 View Post
    At 90mg/day your libido was off ?!
    How i will do for have libido? testo booster?
    Yea libido didn't start to come back until a week or two into PCT. People react differently to certain compounds. I think I remember reading that some people's libido went up when on, but i could be mistaken.
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    Weird maybe but ive done a bunch of cycles and ever time its gone up!
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    Ok thanks a lot guys !
    for my first cycle i run with x-mass, epistane for a second !
    A guy who have 19yo in my gym, with a big potential, 180lbs 10%bf wants to run a cycle of PH (x-mass too)? He can or not ?he wants to be boosted...

    thanks !
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    sounds like he's got his diet and training down, but he is a little on the young side.
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    lol i don't want to have my libido down !!!
    How do you do ?!
    With all PH, you can have a shut down of libido?
    No solution excpet to wait it's gone up?

    For the guy in my gym, he can't do a light cycle ?
    Thanks !
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