Mixing Prohormones and Anabolics

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  1. rasman102
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    Mixing Prohormones and Anabolics


    A Couple weeks ago I started running Tren 19-Nor (which is 19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3,17-dione) I've been running 120mg per day which has worked quite nicely, with no noticable sides. In conjunction with this I am taking Himalaya Livercare, but no milk thistle, because I am on a mild benzo dose (bad combo). Also I take 6-oxo and my own version of ZMA (actually zinc orotate and magnesium taurate...my favorite zinc salt and mag ester) at bedtime.

    I am planning to run this cycle for 8 weeks followed by some 95% divanil and Reversitol for 4 weeks. If I were to run an anabolic such dianabol (~30 mg/day) as a mid-cycle add-on (weeks 2-6 of the 19-Nor cycle), do I need to worry about a true SERM when all is said and done?


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  3. Are you serious?

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  4. well considering dbol aromitizes.......i think a SERM would be a good idea

  5. youll be fine, add inleast 6 weeks of D-bol may inject some tren I.V to really get things going...
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  6. hmm, let me see if I got the right... you're running a cycle for 8 weeks and currently doing tren at 120mg, you want to add dbol and you're worry about a true SERM? You've got to be joking, right? If I was you I would be worried to!! You should always have a SERM on hand in case things go wrong when running any compound.

    From seeing your stats how old are you? why do you need to take so much juice? is this your first cycle? inquiring minds want to know!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Random181 View Post
    youll be fine, add inleast 6 weeks of D-bol may inject some tren I.V to really get things going...
    o there is nothing better than an big IV of tren....crush up some omnadren with it and snort it also....GFH.



  8. rasman102
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    haha...


    i knew my question wud warrant such responses. I have a true SERM on hand, however, I am planning on tapering off the dbol, upping the 6-oxo and adding in some free-t boosters until I complete the last two weeks of the Dienolone precursor. After that i'd like to run a 4 week OTC SERM cycle. I'd personally like to see if the free-t boosters, increased AI and Tren 19-Nor keep the post-cycle drop-off of Dbol @ bay.

    does anyone know for sure this will be a crash and burn?

  9. Honestly mate 8 weeks on 'tren' probably warrants a serm in its own right....

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Random181 View Post
    Honestly mate 8 weeks on 'tren' probably warrants a serm in its own right....
    x2...clomid definately.

    i just dont like this plan period. not very well thought out and its a kind of lets throw some more stuff in while i'm already on.

  11. I dont like the OTC SERM you plan to use, x2 for clomid

  12. Use a SERM, don't **** around.

    edit: i like clomid! x3 for that... can replace a serm IMO, but not a bad idea to stack them

    And what's up with your bodyweight. Bulk son. Eat.
  13. rasman102
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    i have a sick metabolism...i eat like a horse, but only now with the 19-Nor have I been translating that into lean, dry mass...b4 i would gain the weight, but it would go to my gut for a few daes and say so-long in a violent fashion (poor toilet did not even see it coming) On another note, I do have the clomid on hand, but i think i might gamble a day or two for the sake of research. haha, much appreciation guys...ill let u know how things progress...gained 8 lbs solid in the first week...skys the limit. =)

  14. Quote Originally Posted by rasman102 View Post
    why the neg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!im just messing with these idiots at AM i dont even like this forum everbody is so dum
    quote from his rep. this guy is a tool.

  15. Haha. That's funny. Anyway I see a lot of people that say they have a fast metabolism and eat like a horse, and when prompted to post their diets they won't respond, and if they do it's never enough food. Can't gain weight? Eat more. As long as you're not gaining fat, eat more. That's all there is to it.

  16. HAHAHAH TOOL.

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    wow...thanks for practically sucking eachother off in my presence instead of actually being open-minded nd useful human beings...pfft juice heads...once again ill post my progress neway just so u guys can suck eachother off in my honor again

  19. 5'9" 147 lbs
    Drink milk.
    Full-fat milk.
    Once you have drunk all you can,
    Drink some more.
    Aim for a gallon a day.

    I'm about the same height as you and got up to 290lbs by drinking two gallons a day.

    Also, Squat Bench and Deadlift.

  20. "why the neg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!im just messing with these idiots at AM i dont even like this forum everbody is so dum"

    Sounds like he is 14?!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by rasman102 View Post
    i have a sick metabolism...i eat like a horse, but only now with the 19-Nor have I been translating that into lean, dry mass...b4 i would gain the weight, but it would go to my gut for a few daes and say so-long in a violent fashion (poor toilet did not even see it coming) On another note, I do have the clomid on hand, but i think i might gamble a day or two for the sake of research. haha, much appreciation guys...ill let u know how things progress...gained 8 lbs solid in the first week...skys the limit. =)
    dude i am not hating but here is the truth straight up:

    "i eat like a horse" - no, you don't. you eat like a 147 pounder with a fast metabolism. 95% of guys seem to claim to "eat like a horse", but unless i see it with my own eyes i never believe it. post your diet

    "with the tren im gaining so well" no ****, it's a steroid buddy. you are going to lose all your gains within 1 month of coming off if you don't learn how to eat correctly. every pound you gain is more calories you need to consume just to MAINTAIN that weight. think about it. if you couldn't gani weight without steroids you have ZERO chance of keeping what you gain.

    taking more steroids now = more harm to your health done, for absolutely no reason, because you are probably going to lose 90+% of your gains anyway.

  22. Also, prohormones = anabolics. And my advice is to use the SERM you claim to have, stop taking the tren and learn how to gain naturally, THEN take something
  23. rasman102
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    Talking


    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    "why the neg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!im just messing with these idiots at AM i dont even like this forum everbody is so dum"

    Sounds like he is 14?!

    yea, that was one of these genius' jokes, not something i actually said...im 21

    secondly, i appreciate the tips, but ive heard it for years and get roughly 6000-7000 calories in a day...i kno i can eat more and i should up the bar, but with work, expenses, and the ****ty paycheck i get, its just not feasible

    as for my health, i get more bloodwork and other tests done regularly since i was about...well...14 haha. With all the dietary supplements i take, less the anabolics, people usually accuse me of being too health-conscious.

    finally, lector and screwtape...i appreciate u acting like adults, although ive heard what u suggested from others before, they are valid, useful suggestions nonetheless

    thanx.

    ps: does it piss ne one else off that they like to call everything tren nowadays, no matter what the target hormone is? i mean i remember the phase where everyone was bat-**** crazy over the real **** (of course then i was 14), but that day has long-since gone

  24. Quote Originally Posted by rasman102 View Post
    yea, that was one of these genius' jokes, not something i actually said...im 21

    secondly, i appreciate the tips, but ive heard it for years and get roughly 6000-7000 calories in a day...i kno i can eat more and i should up the bar, but with work, expenses, and the ****ty paycheck i get, its just not feasible

    as for my health, i get more bloodwork and other tests done regularly since i was about...well...14 haha. With all the dietary supplements i take, less the anabolics, people usually accuse me of being too health-conscious.

    finally, lector and screwtape...i appreciate u acting like adults, although ive heard what u suggested from others before, they are valid, useful suggestions nonetheless

    thanx.

    ps: does it piss ne one else off that they like to call everything tren nowadays, no matter what the target hormone is? i mean i remember the phase where everyone was bat-**** crazy over the real **** (of course then i was 14), but that day has long-since gone
    well at least your 21. But if you are eating 7000 calories a day, and weigh 147 you have an issue...I would go see a doctor because you have to have some hella bad parasites living in your intestines.

    I am 160 atm, definitely a faster metabolism cuz if I do alot of cardio gains are impossible(getting cut is easy, but bulking like I am doing is hard). But I am currently up 11 pounds in 1 month of bulking naturally from 150 to 161-162.

    You either dont know how to train at all,have a serious medical issue, or accidentally are adding an extra 0 to the number of calories you are eating.

    I am basically getting 2500-3000 and can put on weight. As long as I cut running and allow some midsection build up temporarily.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    well at least your 21. But if you are eating 7000 calories a day, and weigh 147 you have an issue...I would go see a doctor because you have to have some hella bad parasites living in your intestines.

    I am 160 atm, definitely a faster metabolism cuz if I do alot of cardio gains are impossible(getting cut is easy, but bulking like I am doing is hard). But I am currently up 11 pounds in 1 month of bulking naturally from 150 to 161-162.

    You either dont know how to train at all,have a serious medical issue, or accidentally are adding an extra 0 to the number of calories you are eating.

    I am basically getting 2500-3000 and can put on weight. As long as I cut running and allow some midsection build up temporarily.
    I agree 100%. Eating 7000 calories in a day is HARD to do if you eat normal foods dude. Write down everything you eat in a day and post it here!

    Think about it this way: let's say your maintenance cals @ 147 is actually 6-7k per day. If you eat more than that you'll gain weight, less you'll lose it, right? Say tren/dbol/whatever helps you get to 160. Add another x cals (500 or so) to your maintenance, at least. If you don't eat MORE than you're already eating (which you aren't doing, otherwise you would have gained weight naturally) then you will just go back down to 147!

  26. Quote Originally Posted by lector606 View Post
    I agree 100%. Eating 7000 calories in a day is HARD to do if you eat normal foods dude. Write down everything you eat in a day and post it here!
    not if he eats mcdonalds everyday lol. 7000 calories could be done before lunch lol. yea never know...could have a tapeworm...

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  28. rasman102
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    you know in all honesty im not concerned too much about numbers...my biggest concern is getting some meat on my legs and midsection...i find myself getting stronger in my arms and chest, but my frame is still small, so it gets tough to keep good form with higher weight. i love upright rowing and my deltoids are proof of such, but i hit a wall once in a while just because i can't keep my legs from shaking under the pressure. However, i am doing a lot more dumbells to work on my stablizer muscles and im gonna kill on my leg days, as i did today. Im gonna go knock down some black bean nachos right now, but im gonna start a diet log soon. thanx again guys.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    not if he eats mcdonalds everyday lol. 7000 calories could be done before lunch lol. yea never know...could have a tapeworm...
    Mcdonald is great bulking food....If your 14......

  30. Truly doubt he is getting in 7k calories... Let's see a diet
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