Chemo. I found this old conversion on another board. Spidey and I have been talking about it there might be some instances where this can be improved IMO, but Spidey seems to not like this method all together. I'll put the improvements in red.
Homebrew Fina without the kit
Purpose:
To dispel the myth of having to purchase a kit for fina conversion.
Items Needed:
1. Oil of choice (cottonseed, peanut, sesame, vegetable, etc.)
2. Benzyl alcohol
- bacteriostatic agent and solvent
3. Benzyl benzoate
- cosolvent that helps to alleviate crystallization at the depot
4. 2 syringe needles
5. 1 .45 um sterile syringe filter
6. 1 syringe (30 mL or larger)
7. 1 vial (25 mL or large, preferably sterile)
8. Fina
Procedure:
1. Take ~50 mL of oil and heat in the microwave until hot. This is done to sterilize the oil to be used. You can use a small Pyrex dish (with cover) from Wal-mart, large shot glass, etc. Be careful when removing because it will burn. After removal immediately cover (with saran wrap, plastic lid, etc.) to maintain some degree of sterility.
2. With the oil still warm (not hot) mix 30 mL of 5% benzyl alcohol, 15-20% benzyl benzoate, and 75-80% sterile oil.
i.e. - 1.5 mL BA + 6 mL BB + 22.5 mL oil = 30 mL of BA/BB/oil
A syringe may by used to measure the amounts with great convenience.
Spidey believes that Trenbolone acetate isn't very soluble in oil. I searched for information on it and all I can find is it's CAS#10161-34-9 and MF C20H24O3. I know that the longer the ester the more soluble it is in oil and less soluble in water. Acetate is rather short in comparison to others, so would it be better to dissolve in BA/BB and then add oil?
3. Use 10 mL of this solution to soak and crush the pellets. If this is done quickly the solution may still be warm and aid in extraction. If not, gently heat may help. Simply boil a pot off water, remove the water from the heat, and swirl the fina pellets/BA/BB/oil mix around for a few minutes.
4. Allow to settle and remove the layer of oil. Don’t worry about getting ALL the oil. It is more important to keep from sucking up the sediment at the bottom. Place this oil into a sterilized container (big shot glass that has been microwaved) and cover.
5. Use an additional 10 mL of the BA/BB/sterile oil mix and repeat steps 3 & 4.
6. After adding the oil mix and extracting 2 times you may want to dump the sludge into a coffee filter and gently squeeze to remove additional fina.
7. There should be a combined ~ 20 mL of BA/BB/oil/fina in the sterilized shot glass now. Suck all this up in the syringe and measure what you have. If it is less than 20 mL add more oil (from step #1) until it is EXACTLY 20 mL. If you have 20 on the dot don’t worry about adding any more.
8. Sterile filter this 20 mL into a vented vial.
It seems that a 0.45micron filter is the norm, but Spidey brought up a good point about spores slipping through. He feels that a 0.20micron filter will do a much better job of catching spores.
9. Get an additional 5 mL of oil (from step #1) and send it through the filter as well. This flushes the good stuff out of the filter (purging). You now have 25 mL of good stuff TOTAL in the vial.
10. While still vented, heat the vial in the oven at 200 degrees for 30 minutes. Remove and allow to cool. Do this a total of 3 times.
This is one point that Spidey and I aren't in total agreement. I can't find any data to support his claim, but it is reasonable. He thinks that heat will degrade the tren and that heating isn't a good idea. It seems to me that heating is the final step that would make this thing work. Can anyone direct me to some physical data on tren?
11. After it has cooled, ENJOY 76-80 mg/mL OF HOMEBREWED GOODNESS!
Some helpful hints:
It is best to be as clean as possible when making homebrew injectables. BA and the heating step at the end go a long way for sterilization but cannot stand up to a slob.
Use the BB. Homebrew injectables have a long standing history with BA alone but it is miscible with water. After injection the BA leaves the depot site which is not too bad if using a long chain ester. Fina has an acetate (2 carbons long) and tends to crystallize at the depot without a solvent or cosolvent = PAIN. The BA leaves the depot after injection but the BB hangs around to keep the fina in solution = LESS PAIN. I have prepared 200 mg/mL and the pain is less than 100 mg/mL with just BA...I can tell by the cows moo
BB is not miscible in water and BA is only miscible at 0.34g/100ml water.
For those familiar with kits notice that these are basically the same steps. The only difference is that you now know what “magic ingredients” are in the magic solution…BA + BB (bacteriostatic agent / solvent / cosolvent).
The method that Spidey is suggesting is to dissolve the Fina in Acetone, filter, then evaporate the acetone/tren untill all you have is yellow tren crystalls. That sounds about right, but I've never heard of anyone doing it that way before. Opinions?
Homebrew Fina without the kit
Purpose:
To dispel the myth of having to purchase a kit for fina conversion.
Items Needed:
1. Oil of choice (cottonseed, peanut, sesame, vegetable, etc.)
2. Benzyl alcohol
- bacteriostatic agent and solvent
3. Benzyl benzoate
- cosolvent that helps to alleviate crystallization at the depot
4. 2 syringe needles
5. 1 .45 um sterile syringe filter
6. 1 syringe (30 mL or larger)
7. 1 vial (25 mL or large, preferably sterile)
8. Fina
Procedure:
1. Take ~50 mL of oil and heat in the microwave until hot. This is done to sterilize the oil to be used. You can use a small Pyrex dish (with cover) from Wal-mart, large shot glass, etc. Be careful when removing because it will burn. After removal immediately cover (with saran wrap, plastic lid, etc.) to maintain some degree of sterility.
2. With the oil still warm (not hot) mix 30 mL of 5% benzyl alcohol, 15-20% benzyl benzoate, and 75-80% sterile oil.
i.e. - 1.5 mL BA + 6 mL BB + 22.5 mL oil = 30 mL of BA/BB/oil
A syringe may by used to measure the amounts with great convenience.
Spidey believes that Trenbolone acetate isn't very soluble in oil. I searched for information on it and all I can find is it's CAS#10161-34-9 and MF C20H24O3. I know that the longer the ester the more soluble it is in oil and less soluble in water. Acetate is rather short in comparison to others, so would it be better to dissolve in BA/BB and then add oil?
3. Use 10 mL of this solution to soak and crush the pellets. If this is done quickly the solution may still be warm and aid in extraction. If not, gently heat may help. Simply boil a pot off water, remove the water from the heat, and swirl the fina pellets/BA/BB/oil mix around for a few minutes.
4. Allow to settle and remove the layer of oil. Don’t worry about getting ALL the oil. It is more important to keep from sucking up the sediment at the bottom. Place this oil into a sterilized container (big shot glass that has been microwaved) and cover.
5. Use an additional 10 mL of the BA/BB/sterile oil mix and repeat steps 3 & 4.
6. After adding the oil mix and extracting 2 times you may want to dump the sludge into a coffee filter and gently squeeze to remove additional fina.
7. There should be a combined ~ 20 mL of BA/BB/oil/fina in the sterilized shot glass now. Suck all this up in the syringe and measure what you have. If it is less than 20 mL add more oil (from step #1) until it is EXACTLY 20 mL. If you have 20 on the dot don’t worry about adding any more.
8. Sterile filter this 20 mL into a vented vial.
It seems that a 0.45micron filter is the norm, but Spidey brought up a good point about spores slipping through. He feels that a 0.20micron filter will do a much better job of catching spores.
9. Get an additional 5 mL of oil (from step #1) and send it through the filter as well. This flushes the good stuff out of the filter (purging). You now have 25 mL of good stuff TOTAL in the vial.
10. While still vented, heat the vial in the oven at 200 degrees for 30 minutes. Remove and allow to cool. Do this a total of 3 times.
This is one point that Spidey and I aren't in total agreement. I can't find any data to support his claim, but it is reasonable. He thinks that heat will degrade the tren and that heating isn't a good idea. It seems to me that heating is the final step that would make this thing work. Can anyone direct me to some physical data on tren?
11. After it has cooled, ENJOY 76-80 mg/mL OF HOMEBREWED GOODNESS!
Some helpful hints:
It is best to be as clean as possible when making homebrew injectables. BA and the heating step at the end go a long way for sterilization but cannot stand up to a slob.
Use the BB. Homebrew injectables have a long standing history with BA alone but it is miscible with water. After injection the BA leaves the depot site which is not too bad if using a long chain ester. Fina has an acetate (2 carbons long) and tends to crystallize at the depot without a solvent or cosolvent = PAIN. The BA leaves the depot after injection but the BB hangs around to keep the fina in solution = LESS PAIN. I have prepared 200 mg/mL and the pain is less than 100 mg/mL with just BA...I can tell by the cows moo
BB is not miscible in water and BA is only miscible at 0.34g/100ml water.
For those familiar with kits notice that these are basically the same steps. The only difference is that you now know what “magic ingredients” are in the magic solution…BA + BB (bacteriostatic agent / solvent / cosolvent).
The method that Spidey is suggesting is to dissolve the Fina in Acetone, filter, then evaporate the acetone/tren untill all you have is yellow tren crystalls. That sounds about right, but I've never heard of anyone doing it that way before. Opinions?
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