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FIRST CYCLE (TEST E) NEED ADVICE

  1.  05-11-2009  08:18 AM
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    FIRST CYCLE (TEST E) NEED ADVICE


    HELLO, ATTACHED IS A QUICK RUN THROUGH OF MY CYCLE, VERY BASIC AND FEEL THAT I HAVE EVERYTHING FOR PROTECTION FROM ESTROGEN EFFECTS. BUT ANYWAYS CRITIQUE PLEASE

    OH ALSO I FEEL I AM GYNO PRONE DUE TO THE FACT THAT I DEVELOPED ALITTLE IN PUBERTY AND STATS ARE AS FOLLOWED:

    TRAINING 2 YEARS SERIOUSLY
    21YR
    5'10"
    182LBS
    NO PRIOR AAS USE ONLY PROHORMONE USE OF EPISTANE

    THANKS
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    -looks ok, run the a dex eod @ .5mg, not ed. not really needed tho is a low does tet e cycle imo.

    -i would also bump the test to 500mg. forntloading test e is also a possibility. can u get hold of any dbol to kickstart?

    -pct looks poor, would but would add nolva. start it 2 weeks after your last jab as test half life is 2-3 weeks. but at 400mg keep it at 2 weeks.

    you will really like this cycle, i know its your first but try and get dbol!or at least some p plex or sd to kickstart!

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    Originally Posted by gregchicken View Post
    -looks ok, run the a dex eod @ .5mg, not ed. not really needed tho is a low does tet e cycle imo.

    -i would also bump the test to 500mg. forntloading test e is also a possibility. can u get hold of any dbol to kickstart?

    -pct looks poor, would but would add nolva. start it 2 weeks after your last jab as test half life is 2-3 weeks. but at 400mg keep it at 2 weeks.

    you will really like this cycle, i know its your first but try and get dbol!or at least some p plex or sd to kickstart!
    SORRY KINDA A TERMINALOGY DUMMY SO WHAT DOES "EOD" MEAN LOL AND "ED", AND YOUR SAYING I SHOULD RUN NOLVA AND CLOMID BOTH AND AT WHAT DOSES? STARTING CLOMID 21 DAYS LATER

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    Originally Posted by liftw8t View Post
    SORRY KINDA A TERMINALOGY DUMMY SO WHAT DOES "EOD" MEAN LOL AND "ED", AND YOUR SAYING I SHOULD RUN NOLVA AND CLOMID BOTH AND AT WHAT DOSES? STARTING CLOMID 21 DAYS LATER

    ED= Every day EOD= Every other day.

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    Originally Posted by JKurz802 View Post
    ED= Every day EOD= Every other day.
    OKAY, YEAH I'M JUST RUNNING IT DUE TO THE FACT THAT I AM GYNO PRONE SO TAKING BEST PROCAUTIONS I CAN TO PREVENT IT. BUT HOW DOES IT LOOK THO

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    start pct 14 days after last jab!thats how long the test e ester lasts

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    Originally Posted by liftw8t View Post
    OKAY, YEAH I'M JUST RUNNING IT DUE TO THE FACT THAT I AM GYNO PRONE
    how do you know that? from just epi use?

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    Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    how do you know that? from just epi use?
    BECAUSE I DEVELOPED IT AFTER PUBERTY

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    bump so anyone does the cycle look good and should i throw nolva in I will have it and letro on hand

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    ive already told u,
    does it look good?not really, its a sub basic cycle. you pct is **** and your test dose it is too low and you a dex is too high. run your 1st cycle like this-

    weeks 1-12- test e 500mg ew
    weeks 1-5- dbol 50mg ed

    pct weeks- 15-18- nolva 20mg ed x 4 weeks
    clomid 50mg ed x 3 weeks

    adex is not needed. this basic basic cycle has been dealt with 1000 times.

    END OF THREAD

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    Its reasonable for a first cycle at your age and size. In the 70s + 80s the guys in the Olympia were running 300mg a week, so don't listen to people who say you can't gain on that. your natural test is only in the equivalent range of under 100mg/week....

    The arimidex is too high even if gyno prone. you don't want to totally crush estrogen and have none, just keep it reasonable. every other day to every 3rd day for the .5mg dose would make sense.
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    u developed gyno at purberty wtf?.....how did u even know what gyno was at puberty

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    Originally Posted by orangutan View Post
    u developed gyno at purberty wtf?.....how did u even know what gyno was at puberty
    please tell me you are joking, its call pubesent gyno. when your hormones are goin crazy during puberty, some produced more test than others, that then converts. simple, we all have test in us!

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    Originally Posted by orangutan View Post
    u developed gyno at purberty wtf?.....how did u even know what gyno was at puberty
    ah i figured out what it was later smart ass. And thank you chicken that pct looks alot better i've just seen this same cycle all over the place and didnt know if it was any good but i dont have a problem with running it at 500mg a week doesnt bother me at all so i like where yours is coming from i think i might hit it up, oh one question about that nolva clomid pct run them both together or clomid after nolva? And i promise I shall leave you alone been alot of help.

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    Originally Posted by gregchicken View Post
    ive already told u,
    does it look good?not really, its a sub basic cycle. you pct is **** and your test dose it is too low and you a dex is too high. run your 1st cycle like this-

    weeks 1-12- test e 500mg ew
    weeks 1-5- dbol 50mg ed

    pct weeks- 15-18- nolva 20mg ed x 4 weeks
    clomid 50mg ed x 3 weeks

    adex is not needed. this basic basic cycle has been dealt with 1000 times.

    END OF THREAD
    agreed, this is a really common cycle. It'll be your bread and butter later.

    you can pin every mon 250mg test e and thurs 250mg test e if you wish.

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    Originally Posted by gregchicken View Post
    ive already told u,
    does it look good?not really, its a sub basic cycle. you pct is **** and your test dose it is too low and you a dex is too high. run your 1st cycle like this-

    weeks 1-12- test e 500mg ew
    weeks 1-5- dbol 50mg ed

    pct weeks- 15-18- nolva 20mg ed x 4 weeks
    clomid 50mg ed x 3 weeks

    adex is not needed. this basic basic cycle has been dealt with 1000 times.

    END OF THREAD
    Really? Remember not everyone is the same. You are telling someone that says he's gyno prone to not use an AI with an aromatasing steroid?

    I'm gyno prone and guess what happen when I didnt start my AI till the second week, my gyno came back. Add the AI EOD like stated previously. Better safe than sorry.

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    Originally Posted by ajensen11 View Post
    Really? Remember not everyone is the same. You are telling someone that says he's gyno prone to not use an AI with an aromatasing steroid?

    I'm gyno prone and guess what happen when I didnt start my AI till the second week, my gyno came back. Add the AI EOD like stated previously. Better safe than sorry.
    what about nolva because i have plenty of nolva clomid and letro and didnt know if i should use one of those EOD while on cycle

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    Originally Posted by liftw8t View Post
    what about nolva because i have plenty of nolva clomid and letro and didnt know if i should use one of those EOD while on cycle
    I'd use letro but keep it really small since it's a strong AI, like 25mg EOD (or so I've heard people recommend). If you do end up getting sensitive nips start using the Nolva ED at 20mg before the gyno manifests. Again, I had to use both an AI and Nolva since I had sensitive nips and a mass, gyno.

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    Originally Posted by Gixxer82 View Post
    Nice pct...not!
    standard pct

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    Originally Posted by liftw8t View Post
    HELLO, ATTACHED IS A QUICK RUN THROUGH OF MY CYCLE, VERY BASIC AND FEEL THAT I HAVE EVERYTHING FOR PROTECTION FROM ESTROGEN EFFECTS. BUT ANYWAYS CRITIQUE PLEASE

    OH ALSO I FEEL I AM GYNO PRONE DUE TO THE FACT THAT I DEVELOPED ALITTLE IN PUBERTY AND STATS ARE AS FOLLOWED:

    TRAINING 2 YEARS SERIOUSLY
    21YR
    5'10"
    182LBS
    NO PRIOR AAS USE ONLY PROHORMONE USE OF EPISTANE

    THANKS

    Epistane IS a steroid FYI

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