FIRST CYCLE (TEST E) NEED ADVICE
- 05-11-2009, 09:18 AM
FIRST CYCLE (TEST E) NEED ADVICE
HELLO, ATTACHED IS A QUICK RUN THROUGH OF MY CYCLE, VERY BASIC AND FEEL THAT I HAVE EVERYTHING FOR PROTECTION FROM ESTROGEN EFFECTS. BUT ANYWAYS CRITIQUE PLEASE
OH ALSO I FEEL I AM GYNO PRONE DUE TO THE FACT THAT I DEVELOPED ALITTLE IN PUBERTY AND STATS ARE AS FOLLOWED:
TRAINING 2 YEARS SERIOUSLY
NO PRIOR AAS USE ONLY PROHORMONE USE OF EPISTANE
- 05-11-2009, 09:52 AM
-looks ok, run the a dex eod @ .5mg, not ed. not really needed tho is a low does tet e cycle imo.
-i would also bump the test to 500mg. forntloading test e is also a possibility. can u get hold of any dbol to kickstart?
-pct looks poor, would but would add nolva. start it 2 weeks after your last jab as test half life is 2-3 weeks. but at 400mg keep it at 2 weeks.
you will really like this cycle, i know its your first but try and get dbol!or at least some p plex or sd to kickstart!
- 05-11-2009, 10:01 AM
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05-12-2009, 08:27 AM
bump so anyone does the cycle look good and should i throw nolva in I will have it and letro on hand
05-12-2009, 09:49 AM
ive already told u,
does it look good?not really, its a sub basic cycle. you pct is **** and your test dose it is too low and you a dex is too high. run your 1st cycle like this-
weeks 1-12- test e 500mg ew
weeks 1-5- dbol 50mg ed
pct weeks- 15-18- nolva 20mg ed x 4 weeks
clomid 50mg ed x 3 weeks
adex is not needed. this basic basic cycle has been dealt with 1000 times.
END OF THREAD
05-12-2009, 10:03 AM
Its reasonable for a first cycle at your age and size. In the 70s + 80s the guys in the Olympia were running 300mg a week, so don't listen to people who say you can't gain on that. your natural test is only in the equivalent range of under 100mg/week....
The arimidex is too high even if gyno prone. you don't want to totally crush estrogen and have none, just keep it reasonable. every other day to every 3rd day for the .5mg dose would make sense.
05-12-2009, 10:07 AM
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05-12-2009, 08:57 PM
I'm gyno prone and guess what happen when I didnt start my AI till the second week, my gyno came back. Add the AI EOD like stated previously. Better safe than sorry.
05-12-2009, 10:18 PM
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05-13-2009, 09:38 PM
Do not run both Nolvadex and Clomid as there is absolutely no point in doing so. You run one of the other; there is no need for using two SERMs.
Run your PCT like so:
Also, do not run 25mgs of Letrozole -- that is kissing your penis good-bye. I think maybe the poster got the dosing protocol for Aromasin and Letrozole confused but that is a terribly dangerous thing to mess up on and pass on as advice.
I do not suggest Letrozole while on cycle, but that is just me.
05-13-2009, 09:40 PM
05-13-2009, 11:06 PM
Yes, I would definitely use Aromasin instead of Letro, but that is if you have it. I assumed he only had Letro. But for my cycle I used Anastrozole since I also didnt have access to Aromasin, or want to pay that much.
05-14-2009, 08:59 AM
I'd rather run lower doses each of clomid + nolva together than run higher doses of either alone.
05-14-2009, 09:23 AM
nolva and clomid do different things, poofuss, your really need to do homework before such an outlandish statement
05-14-2009, 12:51 PM
Okay everyone is starting to confuse me lol, but what i'm finding out is that is it wise to do both nolva and clomid at low doses for pct. For everyones information I will have Letro on hand i already have it from a friends prior run and didnt know if it was wise if gyno comes up to use that or nolva. What i've been picking up is that nolva would be a good choice if i get a flare and can use it on my cycle. And if you havent run a cycle before or had gyno flares whats the use in throwing in your 2 cents not directed to the helpful people like gregchick,EasyJL, ajenson11, Jkurz, Geekpoop. thank you for your help all and if you have anymore advice just PM me definately willing to listen and take advice just not from idiots.
05-14-2009, 11:01 PM
i think nolvedex is overused as i've said before. to me...nolvedex is like a safe drug... u can use it just incase of gyno but most likely u wont need it, unless ur prone to it... and u'll only need to do one cycle to find that out.
however i'm all for bringing back the testes quicker, because the quicker they come back the less depression ull have. the biggest problem for me in the gym during pct would be depression...its a killer. i'd go with hcg
05-15-2009, 12:53 AM
Well my next cycle which I took off of Steroid.com will be as follows:
1 – 13 Enan 500mg/wk
1 – 12 EQ 500mg/wk
3 -15 HCG 250iu/wk
1 – 15 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 15 L-dex .25mg ED
16-20 Nolva 20mg
day 1 clomid 300mg
day2-14 clomid 100mg
19 - 20week clomid 50mg
Though I will be using Anastrozole instead of Letro.
Just keep reading everything you can, and try to read through the contradictions.
05-17-2009, 07:46 PM
Do not parrot the words of others as Nolvadex and Clomid are both SERMs and while one may not be equally effective in their applications with HDL, FSH and LH recovery...using both is in PCT is hardly worth the cost in terms of what you get out of the therapy.
If you are overly concerned about those areas, use a different SERM -- Fareston (Toremefine Citrate). It is a superior SERM in all areas except in the event that you catch forming gyno early on, which is where Nolvadex shines somewhat.
05-17-2009, 08:53 PM
I have had a low testerone count for quite some time,However I did not know what was going on. I was being treated for depression, I just had no energy to do anything. Imean taking out the trash was a chore. This went on untill I got soo sick of felling like crap and being on so many meds. Oh I had also injured my back at work and was getting corticosteroid spinal injections. Well I finall started doing my homework online about my symptoms, Oh by the way I had absoltley no interest in sex either. that when I knew something was way wrong. anyway I had found a clinic that deals with this and they did my blood work and my test was way low. So the doctor has prescribed me hcg injections as well as test cypionate and one I cannot pronounce or spell. he said this would bring my levels back up. later I found that the spinal injections I was getting was stopping my natural production of test. I have not started my injections yet but will update when I do.
05-20-2009, 09:39 PM
Okay another question i'm shooting 500mg a week what is the best way to do that, one day or break it into 2 days because i heard about these oil build up bumps that people get from shooting to much in one spot
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