- 04-30-2009, 09:38 PM
I'm having troubles deciding on what I should run for a cutting stack. I was definitely looking towards epi/tren or an epi/hdrol combo. I've been doing some research - but it seems like there are a lot of different methods for a cutting stack. I want to run the stack for 4 weeks followed by a 4 week PCT. Just wanted some of you guys to weigh in and give your .02.
I'd like to be able to drop some BF, while getting some strength/size. I already have a PCT lined up with a SERM - just need to make a decision on the PH/DS I want to use. Thanks.
- 04-30-2009, 09:44 PM
- 04-30-2009, 10:15 PM
Well I wasn't sure what people were going to recommend (as i've read harsher compounds should be kept to shorter 4 week cycles) and I wanted to keep this cycle short since it is going to be my first PH/DS.
04-30-2009, 11:32 PM
Aight i've decided on epi for sure.....here are some other possibilities i've read about and am also considering stacking with epi...
3-AD / 11-oxo, Promagnon-25, Propadrol, Prostanozol, or Tren
What do you guys think?
04-30-2009, 11:40 PM
dont waste your time with the propadrol i used it in a stack with havoc and it didnt help much at all. your better off just sticking with the epi and maybe up the dose rather than stackin. Also six weeks worked well for me.
04-30-2009, 11:49 PM
I'll strike propadrol from the record, along with the promangon-25. So we're down to 3-AD / 11-oxo, Prostanozol, or Tren to stack with Havoc. Right now i'm leaning towards prostanozol, but if someone thinks 3-AD or Tren would be better stack with havoc speak up.
04-30-2009, 11:53 PM
05-01-2009, 08:32 AM
05-01-2009, 10:24 AM
Actually, I don't think i'm going to bother with furaz. Seems underdosed and too expensive to be effective.
Been looking at h-drol/epi, and may throw in some clen with the epi towards the end of that cycle. Was thinking of bridging them.
Hdrol weeks 1-4, epi weeks 3-6
PCT: Torem (40/40/20/20), Lean Extreme Week 2, PCS
05-01-2009, 12:12 PM
05-01-2009, 01:10 PM
first cycle huh....i would look at epi for 4-6 weeks and then mabye use 11-oxo or that icon to bridge into pct....you could pull an 8 or nine week cycle out of the deal and keep the sides very low and that bridge will actually make your pct a lot easier....i thnk this would be a great cut....
05-01-2009, 01:48 PM
05-01-2009, 01:58 PM
I was planning on running that epi as 30/30/30/30 unless you have a better suggestion.
I will be taking cycle assist as my support supp and have Torem, Lean Xtreme (starting 2nd week PCT), and PCS as my PCT.
05-01-2009, 01:58 PM
05-01-2009, 02:06 PM
hdrol and 11-oxo would be fine as well....although i think icon from starchem labs would be a better option....its a lil cheaper and is in the already converted state....i personally prefer epi to hdrol tho....i dont see any results from hdrol till i get around 100-150mgs....with epi i see a drying out effect with 20mgs....i think its just a much better compound.....i do it like this
this would be a nice little 8 week cut....
05-01-2009, 02:23 PM
05-01-2009, 02:25 PM
the 11-oxo wont last as long....you have to take like 9 pills a day to get the anabolic effects out of it....you would need two bottles...thats why icon is cheaper....plus as stated it doesnt need to convert like 11-oxo does....
05-01-2009, 03:08 PM
Or is the store incorrect?
05-01-2009, 03:12 PM
05-01-2009, 07:05 PM
05-01-2009, 08:55 PM
05-02-2009, 02:42 PM
Hmmm....I've been doing some looking on the board here and it seems that the Icon is not getting too many favorable comments...I may just do a Hdrol or Epi stacked with Tren, which I'm pretty sure I won't be able to get away with just an OTC PCT, or just Hdrol or Epi solo, not sure...opinions?
I may also consider doing just Dymehtazine for my recomp...Vaughn says it would work for that, but I want to do more research first.
05-02-2009, 03:16 PM
it doesnt get a lot of favorale comments because it doesnt get you hyooge....thats all the idiots out there care about......in this application it will be great....its not very supressive so it can allow your natty test levels to restart a bit while your still on cycle....it also blocks cortisol....so you can lengthen your cycle and help your pct or you can follow the masses and run mdrol for your three week cut......
05-02-2009, 04:30 PM
05-02-2009, 04:46 PM
in my opinion every pct should be
and an ai of your choice.......
05-02-2009, 06:29 PM
mooch, I'm not doubting you, the unfavorable comments have been more towards the bioavailability of the keto...and I wouldn't go the mdrol route just because of the sides...now, as far as PCT, clomid and nolva? Isn't that a bit overkill? I'm still on the fence of what I want to do...Epi/Icon or Epi or Hdrol with Tren...the Dymethazine I may do later.
05-02-2009, 06:37 PM
05-02-2009, 06:40 PM
05-02-2009, 07:57 PM
didn't think an AI was really needed since Epi works on estrogen receptors and also acts as an AI.
But you mentioned that while bridging the 11-oxo your natty test levels will start to return on their own, which was why I was questioning the necessity of a SERM in this particular PCT.
I've also decided to run a log on this as well
05-02-2009, 08:56 PM
Cool DarkHalf...a log would be awesome...I'd like to see what you come up with for your final decision on what to cycle, cycle support supps, pct, and pct support supps.
05-03-2009, 02:28 AM
05-03-2009, 11:10 AM
Lean Xtreme in 2nd week
Tore 40/40/20/20 (if needed, is a SERM really necessary on this bridge/cycle?)
Was also thinking about throwing in a fat burner for the last 3 weeks on cycle, can anyone advise whether this is a good or bad idea?
05-03-2009, 03:13 PM
05-03-2009, 09:44 PM
05-04-2009, 07:31 PM
05-04-2009, 09:05 PM
forgot to ask your opinions on this...what type of workouts do you guys do for a recomp? (I always change mine up...did 1 bodypart a week, upper/lower, etc, etc)
05-04-2009, 11:21 PM
Didn't realize that people needed to switch things up for a recomp. I generally just do a different workout each day - never repeating the pattern of exercises from the week before.
05-04-2009, 11:22 PM
05-05-2009, 12:55 AM
Dark, you are just going to do the Torem for your SERM? And I think you said you were going to do a natural test booster and pcs as well?
05-05-2009, 08:14 AM
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