Low Test Levels - Precontest - Options?
- 04-29-2009, 12:26 PM
Low Test Levels - Precontest - Options?
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Iím 34 years old, and I competed in my first show on 3/28/09. I didnít do well, placing 8th out of 11 in novice middleweights. I needed to be a lot more conditioned. I am going to do another show in June, and Iím already further along than I was at the last show. I just got bloodwork back. All is well with lipids, liver, etc. Test is low at 182, and thatís the crux of my problem.
4 weeks out from the show, I started a cycle of Halocore (50mg per day). I started taking Inhibit-E 2 weeks out to mitigate water retention somewhat. PCT was OTC, using Reversitol. Since Halo is not high on the aromatiztion list, I didnít use Nolva or anything like that. Didnít see the need, as I ran a stack of Equitren and Monsterdrol back in September and no noticeable sides from that (no gyno anyhow). I used Equalizer for PCT, and all seemed well. In fact my strength gains remained until I started cutting for the show in late november. Start weight was 231, and I had a LONG way to go. Still ainít there yet even at 176. For the March show, I weighed 184. I stopped losing fat. My problems were drastic overdieting, too many CNS fat burners, and daily hourlong sessions of cardio rolled into one big assault on my system. Needless to say, I wasn;t going to cut anymore fat.
After the show, I pigged out and stayed out of the gym for 3 days. Started my diet again but at a higher level of caloric intake and more carbs w/ fewer and less severe low carb days. Much less cardio too. It seems to be working, as my weight and mirror seem to indicate, though I have hit a little plateau. I probably need to add a *little* cardio.
Back to the test numbers. Iíve got an appt Friday, and he may want to start me on some test therapy. As near as I can tell, the options would be test enanthate, cypionate, or undecoanate.
My questions are:
1) From what I understand, these cause more water retention than something like Winny. Is this so, and should I hold off til after precontest?
2) If the answer to 2 is yes, will the low test levels make it difficult to cut bodyfat the rest of the way to the contest?
3) With my levels seemingly already in the crapper, would it make sense to cycle on another pro-anabolic 4 weeks out from the show to give me a boost until then? I have Furazodrol on hand, and that ought to do the trick.
4) Is it possible that the initial Monsterdrol/Equitren stack started this whole mess, and I am only just now reaping the Ďrewardsí :P ?
My current state of affairs is this: Strength is WAY down. Libido low. Training intensity good. Focus and mood generally good. Weight stuck at 176 to 178 depending on water bloat, but I think I can kickstart the trend down with a little increas ine cardio and a small reduction of calories. Iím getting better at that sort of thing. I am concerned about the low test levels causing me to lose mass. Iíve never actually made contest shape, so I have no real baseline to know if Iíve lost muscle mass, at least not visually.
Answers to questions and any other 'advices' would be much appreciated.
- 04-29-2009, 01:11 PM
Just as a question, did you go pretty low in fats, particularly saturated fats as your precontest diet?Animis Rep
04-29-2009, 01:33 PM
I know better now.
For this contest, I only do 2 low carb days per week, usually at 100 or 125. The other days, I take in 175 to 200. Calories averaging around 2100 to 2200 as opposed to the 1700 I was at by the end of March. Fats are about teh same though. Cheats this time around are healthier. Usually I have a steak, 2 big sweet potatoes, couple of rolls, salad, etc. Or, I'll have whole weat pasta with meat sauce.
The most weight loss per week I saw (apart from the post contest binge water drop episode) was 2# per week. I've averaged 1-2# per week since I started all this, so I *think* that's OK.
04-29-2009, 02:07 PM
8 out of 11 is not bad for first time novice. You stood on the stage. That in itself makes you a winner. Hold your head high!
04-29-2009, 02:16 PM
I'm looking to improve in June. I can't control who I compete against and what they look like, but I can improve from one show to the next.
This is me - needing more dieting. :P
04-29-2009, 02:33 PM
You are looking awesome brother! Have you thought about getting a reputible trainer/and or diet prep coach for your shows? It may help you understand what it takes to get in contest shape.
04-29-2009, 02:34 PM
04-29-2009, 03:10 PM
It may be a combination of things causing low test levels. Dieting, being overtrainied from the last show, the PH, not enough red meat and fat, etc. It may be that my levels were low to start and they have returned to that level. Since I goofed and didnít determine my baseline, Iíll likely never know the answer to that.
04-29-2009, 03:13 PM
The guy that owns our gym helped a bunch of us out with contest prep. We had a heavyweight get 3rd in the novive (1 point from 2nd), a middleweight novice gert 2nd (1 point from being 1st, and he was SHREDDED), a couple of guys in the open classes, and a couple of figure competitors.
He gave me good guidance and advice, and had I heeded it like he said, I probably woul d have had better results. I panicked and crashed. He helped me fix that a little by telling me to increase my food and carb intake for several days to get the metabolism going again. It worked a little, but I think I was so overtrained and underfed, that I needed more recovery time. Unfortunately I didnít have it.
Iíve learned since then. Iíll learn from the prep for the June show too.
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