M1t and 4AD
- 01-06-2004, 06:40 PM
M1t and 4AD
This has already been beat to hell, but I can't seem to find the answer in the search engine. I'm starting an M1T cycle next week and I want to add some 4AD. I am planning to get some Tgel and 4AD powder from PN but need some advice. Should I get 5 gms and do 2 squirts, one in the morning and one in the evening or get 10 gms and do one squirt per day?
M1t: 10 mg ed
- 01-06-2004, 09:45 PM
Optimally, you need to apply transdermals every 12 hours to maintain stable levels. However, slight variations of an hour or so (to fit your shower schedule, etc.) are no big deal.
01-07-2004, 04:00 AM
01-07-2004, 01:49 PM
Dude! Thanks man, your awesome dude. That's a double dude. I watched Finding Nemo yesterday with the kid. Crush is cool.Originally Posted by Cuffs
01-07-2004, 01:52 PM
01-07-2004, 04:42 PM
You could just put 10g into the gel & extract a half squirt (1ml) with an oral syringe & use that twice a day. This way it would last twice as long for only another $5 (for the xtra 5g 4ad). It would be a slight waste to pay $30 for a bottle of t-gel & only half dose it.
It will work either way, it's up to you.
01-07-2004, 04:46 PM
01-07-2004, 05:31 PM
01-07-2004, 06:11 PM
I 've got your suppository hanging.Originally Posted by FTMGuy
I ordered the T-gel with 10 gms of 4AD and will do as Longdog suggested... half a squirt twice a day. Thanks.
01-08-2004, 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by Rokdog
That's 165 mg/day - well below the 400-600mg/day I see recommended in the FAQ's. What is your reasoning? NOTE: I'm learning myself, that's why I'm asking.
01-09-2004, 04:53 AM
That's what I was just thinking... isn't it supposed to be 2 squirts twice a day (assuming the original T-4 gel strength of 5 grams 4AD in 8 oz T-gel)?Originally Posted by mark
01-09-2004, 12:50 PM
01-09-2004, 12:50 PM
I guess I should do my own math. 10 gms of 4AD in 4 oz (120 ml) of T-gel works out to approx 166 mg/(2ml squirt). 7.5 gms of 4AD in 4 oz of T-gel will work out to 125mg/(2ml squirt).Originally Posted by raytrade
From Prohormone FAQ
400-600mg daily with two applications in morning at night.
From PN "Build Your Own" transdermal"
• T-1 Pro – 5 grams 1-Test & 2.5 grams of 4-AD
• T-1 – 2.5 grams 1-Test & 2.5 grams of 4-AD
• T-4 – 5 grams of 4-AD
Why is optimum 400-600mg daily? You are getting significantly less than that when using packaged transdermals even if you use 4 squirts a day.
01-09-2004, 01:37 PM
Again the optimum is 400-600 because you are taking it as a standalone with nothing else. Don't read labels blindly.
01-09-2004, 02:37 PM
As I said in a previous post, I am taking this with M1T so it is not exactly stand alone. The last time I checked, I didn't have a seeing eye dog. It seems to me that if I get 1Test and 4Ad from a stacked transdermal delivery or I get 1Test from a methyl and 4Ad from a transdermal, you should still need the same amount of 4AD. Not so?Originally Posted by MarcusG
01-09-2004, 02:50 PM
What are you saying? What does his question have to do with reading labels? I am perty sure he knows how much 4ad/1-t he has gotten in other transdermals(mg/ml). The math really isn't that hard when it comes to figuring out ratios. I believe he is asking for the amount he should take with his m-1-t (since I don't think the 2:1 ratio will work here). I would also like to know what is optimal. Even a link that shows the infomation I am more then happy to read about it. I tried a search on 4ad but you can guess about how many results that gave me.Originally Posted by MarcusG
Last edited by FTMGuy; 01-09-2004 at 03:29 PM.
01-09-2004, 03:22 PM
So if you're taking something else as potent as 1-test or m-1-t with 4ad you'll need less 4ad than if you're just taking 4ad alone. Why is that so hard to understand? Don't blindly follow label instructions for 2 squirts twice a day.Originally Posted by Rokdog
01-09-2004, 04:05 PM
Rokdog- I'd take a full squirt twice a day of the maxed out 4ad & start with 5mg M1t. Then up the m1t to 10 after a week if you choose. 1 squirt with the new gel should be plenty to offset the m1t sides. I was just stating that you could get a smaller dose if you wanted in my earlier post.Originally Posted by Rokdog
For my next cycle, I plan to take 10mg M1t with transdermal 4ad/OHT (7g 4ad/3g OHT) at 2 squrts/day.
01-09-2004, 05:47 PM
I should have given my stats up front. I am 46, 228 lbs, 6'1". Not sure about BF but I'm not a fat boy. 2 years lifting seriously, off and on for years before that.Originally Posted by Longdog
Longdog... your next cycle looks good. After all this reading, I'm wishing I had mixed in some OHT as well.
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