- 04-08-2009, 06:03 PM
I have been considering juice for a while now.
I have been searching the net and chatting with some guys that have used.
I have been told by a guy I know to use:
I have read on the net this is not a good stack.
I don't want to grow super huge just add a couple of KG's
I have been training on off for about 12 months now with very little gains.
I eat right and use lots of supplements.
I Train hard.
I weigh 75kg
I really like what I have read and found about tren and would like to use this.
I would really appreciate any feedback. good or Bad
- 04-08-2009, 08:24 PM
- 04-08-2009, 08:57 PM
04-09-2009, 02:33 AM
Yes I do workout
I am not skinny...
I am fairly well built. I just want to take it up a notch.
04-09-2009, 02:42 AM
I am willing to do injectables.
The tren i was planning on using is:
I have consulted my doctor about the juice and he said it would be fine as long as I don't overdo it.
The guy that is getting me the juice has setup the pct for me I just cant remember all the names he gave me.
1 was keaser or something like that.
What do you think about this stack?
04-09-2009, 03:13 AM
04-09-2009, 05:46 AM
Taking stuff that you dont even know what is called, let alone what it does is not a good idea...
Only 12 months training and little gains now you want to juice. You are setting yourself up for a lot of disapointment..
04-09-2009, 07:32 AM
I dont mean to be funny but do you know what all the stuff is that your doctor gives you?
I dont want to perscribe or give advise on steroids.
I want to ask the guys that know.
I am a specialist in my chosen fields and hobbies and give advice on these.
I was refered to this guy by my personal trainer and trust he knows what he is doing.
I am just getting a second opinion from guys that care to know more about the juice.
I really don't want to offend anyone.
I am just asking if this is a good stack.
Thanks for the comment anyway.
I don't think i will be dissapointed in the results.
04-09-2009, 12:31 PM
04-09-2009, 01:22 PM
My advice is go punch the guy who talked to you about this stuff in the face.
I would also consider getting a new doctor is he said it is OK to take tren at a moderate dose.
Have you considered taking regular supplements yet?
04-09-2009, 01:54 PM
Yes, you won't like it though.
You really aren't ready to cycle. You still have lots and lots of natural growth potential, so take advantage of that. Lift hard and eat well. No shame in that.
As far as the compounds that you listed, definitely not good for a first timer. Sticking strictly to test makes far more sense as it's highly effective and easy to trouble shoot in the event of complications. Possibly dbol at the start or end... possibly. Tren - absolutely not.
Anyway, lift and keep researching. Learn about the ancillaries (AI, SERM).
04-09-2009, 04:13 PM
Anyone who knows anything would recommend Test only for a first cycle MAYBE with Dbol to jumpstart.
Second, I am sure you will be happy with the results of that much juice. What i meant was when you are done with your cycle you will more than likely go right back where you started. If you cant make gains without juice you will not maintain them after a cycle.
BTW I am not trying to be a jerk. Just trying to help..
04-10-2009, 03:48 AM
thanks for the advice.
Yes I am taking supplements, lots of them.
Why won't I be able to keep the gains?
I have seen many guys take juice and even when some of them stopped gyming they still kept their size.
I was thinking that by growing using I would add size and automatically eat more train harder and maintain my size.
I didn't tell my doctor what juice I was going to use, I just asked him about juice in general.
I also asked my eye specialist and he said to try it and come for checkups, he says no one reacts the same way.
I have been researching tren quite a bit over the last couple of weeks.
I have found many guys that say its the worst thing in the world.
But possibly more that say they will use it again and again.
I am fairly sold on Tren.
I am just wondering about the rest...
The guy that is reccomending the stack says this:
Tren Great quality gains(very little water and also a fat burner)
Deca Helps with the joints to handle the extra gains and strength
D/bol adds strength quickly(retains a lot of water very little quality gains)
Proviron enhances everything
Testiviron helps to keep the effects of Tren and deca on my libido at bay plus good for the gains.
Then the other stuff is for the pct.
I know you all mean well with the cautions and all.
I really want to use Tren. i am just unsure about the rest.
04-10-2009, 04:12 AM
I also believe ask advice from someone that has achieved what you are aiming for.
This guy Is really well built, Not just a pile of muscle he is really well balanced and looks good.
as I said I was referred to him by my personal trainer. he says he is brilliant and knows his stuff.
What would you guys reccomend with Tren?
04-10-2009, 04:57 AM
If you are set on taking AAS and not willing to listen to anyone that says you are far from ready to even consider a cycle (which you ARE NOT) then take it upon your self to do some SERIOUS research, not just hoping to get everything handed to you thru this forum.
04-10-2009, 05:02 AM
I am getting a couple of pm's.
I can't respond with a pm I don't have enough posts yet.
I can be reached by email jaco(at)jkproperties.co.za
The last question was what my goals are.
I want to add 5-7Kg of muscle.
I don't want to go on lots of cycles of juice.
I would prefer 1 cycle and not again.
This is why Tren looks good to me.
As said in a previous post:
I dont want to get very big just a little bigger than I am now.
I am well built I just want to go a little bigger.
I train hard I really do.
I am sore really sore for a couple of days after each workout.
I do train to failure between 12 and 15 reps.
I go as heavy as I can to not reach 15 reps. on my 1st set
12 on my 2nd set and 8 on my 3rd set. My form is good I control the weights i dont throw them around like most of the guys in the gym. I always need help to finish my last reps.
I eat lots of protein, I take a testogen supplement, I take a mass gain meal replacement with my meals, I also have a protein shake before bed.
I also have a creatine drink while I work out(i double the reccomended dose)
I take an Anti-catabolic Amino Acid before and after my workout.
I eat lots of whole wheat bread, Lots of cheese.
Fish, Chicken and Beef. lots of eggs and i have added a bit of milk recently aswell.
I feel really full all of the time I have to force the stuff down most of the time.
Drink quite a bit of water this helps me feel better.
I am just always very busy up and down I also walk very fast. I think this is what stops me from adding the mass.
This is why I want to take the juice.
04-10-2009, 05:13 AM
04-10-2009, 05:25 AM
Not the walking fast.
I am never sitting still surely this burns more calories, or am i off track?
What would justify using juice?
how many cycles have you taken? how old what weight? If you dont mind me asking.
04-10-2009, 05:26 AM
04-10-2009, 05:31 AM
04-10-2009, 05:32 AM
04-10-2009, 05:35 AM
04-10-2009, 05:37 AM
04-10-2009, 05:40 AM
04-10-2009, 05:51 AM
Well thats the thing.
Some guys say its great as a 1st cycle.
and some say no.
I dont want to go on a 2nd and 3rd etc.
I only want to do 1 cycle and done.
04-10-2009, 06:12 AM
I read the post its fairly similar to what most have said up here.
The thing is I am not one that follows suit makes me feel average.
Truth is there is no perfect first cycle is there?
plus if no one tries it as a first cycle how will anyone know if it is a bad cycle?
My original question was :
Is this a good cycle?
Then I get answers like this:
no deca and tren are a bad combination.
Great stack its brilliant you are going to look like a machine.
Get the idea?
This is my cycle:
Testaviron 250mg all these every 3rd day
d/bol 30mg per day for first week then 40mg thereafter
Proviron 2 off per day
Keasar 1 at night
04-10-2009, 06:19 AM
04-10-2009, 07:47 AM
04-10-2009, 08:01 AM
why are you dead set of tren? something milder? test alone or if you want to stack test with eq or deca. you will still get the best gains of your life with less sides.
04-10-2009, 08:17 AM
You are not gaining now but when you are "on" you will make gains because you will be more anabolic. If you eat and train the same what do you think will happen when you stop the juice. If you are lucky and you do PCT correctly you will go back where you started. If PCT isn't done correctly you will be worse off then you are now..
Do you know how to design a PCT. Do you trust your "buddy" so much to risk having man boobs?
If you are going to ignore advice and use Tren anyway, please dont stack it with everything else.
Test E 500mg/wk wks 1-10
Tren ACETATE 75mg every other day wks 1-6
If you notice bad sides Drop the tren and continue Test. Still sides, drop test wait 2 weeks and start PCT.
Research PCT and have it IN HAND before you start cycle.
I dont like this idea but you are an adult and I know you will not take the right advice so... Good luck
04-10-2009, 09:40 AM
04-10-2009, 11:17 AM
04-10-2009, 11:25 AM
I do trust this guy,
He has added the kessar for the man boob as you asked.
I do understand that the steroids wont keep me big if i don't eat enough.
But if i have huge muscles I will be burning more food and my metabolism will be faster.
This will cause me to eat more.
That is sort of obvious isn't it?
I have looked at a lot of the stacks and most retain water and add a lot of other crap.
Tren adds lean muscle.
If I had said i had done 6 cycles before would you all have said this was a good stack?
That is a little insane in my opinion. My body would have been in a worse state than now wouldn't it? I am strong and healthy my liver and kidneys are as new.
I should technically handle it better than someone whose insides are a little f***** up already or am I wrong?
I am not asking if I should do the stack. I am asking if the stack looks good?
Now it doesn't really matter anymore. I have collected my stuff.
I will keep updating this thread with my progress over the duration of my cycle and for 6 months after I will keep it up to date.
Good or Bad.
thanks to all for your input.
although no one really answered my question except hill just recently.
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