Should i take Havoc or ......
- 04-02-2009, 03:23 AM
Should i take Havoc or ......
This is just something that i thought might help others in there decisions on taking havoc... I have only been takin this for 2 weeks so far and i have gained almost 5lbs and have set my personal best flat bench at 315 for 2 reps when previously it was 300.
just my 2 cents
- 04-02-2009, 05:44 AM
ive been looking and looking for a long time at designers .I think the problem is there is too much information out there and different experiences. I thought epi was safe until i read someone had hair shredding .there always seems to be a negative for every positive .im looking for purely positives -is there any?
- 04-02-2009, 06:44 AM
i wouldnt rly worry about hair shedding unless you are dosing 40mg through the whole cycle and even then i think its minor and IIRC it grows back after?
but i completely agree with the havoc. id recommend havoc over epistane. i think theyre the same product but im having better results now with havoc. ive been on havoc (with some hdrol too) for a little over a week and my 5rm on squat went up 15 pounds and its been the only change in my training/diet im REALLY liking it
04-02-2009, 07:20 AM
04-02-2009, 07:38 AM
No there is only one company that is rpn.who is using anyone wanting to cut or bulk.The dosage is 10mg a pill.You can do a search and look up how people are running a cycle.
04-02-2009, 08:32 AM
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04-02-2009, 03:12 PM
in regards to side effects the only side i've ever had from using havoc is GAINING MUSCLE!! but to help you even more... i had gyno about the size of quarters before i started and now it is almost gone... but like everyone else says everyone will not respond the same...ive been looking and looking for a long time at designers .I think the problem is there is too much information out there and different experiences. I thought epi was safe until i read someone had hair shredding .there always seems to be a negative for every positive .im looking for purely positives -is there any?
I know that Havoc and Epidrol are identical but havoc and epi aren't the exact same. Just lookin at the ingredients they are different
Epi - 2,3a-Epithio-17a-Methyletioallocholan-17b-Ol
Havoc - 2a, 3a-Epithio-17a-Methyl- 5a-Androstan-17b-Ol
Also i have tried both... I didnt gain sh!t while i was on epistane but ive ran havoc once before this and i gained a solid 10lbs. Now i am a bit more experienced and have already gained 5 in 2 weeks on my second run of havoc.
As for the gyno i too was hoping it would get rid of mine and so far it is 75% gone after 2 weeks so hopefully it will be gone completely in 6...
04-02-2009, 03:14 PM
It's just a different way to write the chemical nomenclature.
04-02-2009, 03:15 PM
This makes me want to buy another bottle of havocAs for the gyno i too was hoping it would get rid of mine and so far it is 75% gone after 2 weeks so hopefully it will be gone completely in 6...
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04-02-2009, 03:16 PM
Some have reported getting gyno on Havoc, Epistane, and the others...You can really only know by trying it. Epidrol cured mine about a year ago, but I just had a flare up from ATD-rebound, so I'm giving Havoc a go.
04-02-2009, 03:19 PM
315 for 2 reps at 155 pounds is amazing.
04-02-2009, 03:54 PM
ya the labels say the same thing but i honestly feel different
04-02-2009, 03:59 PM
04-07-2009, 06:16 PM
04-07-2009, 07:12 PM
epi doesnt have the 5a-androstan..i dont know if that makes a difference...but CEL E-STANE has the exact same ingredience as havoc and is alittle cheaper ..ur gonna need 2 bottles to run a cycle when using epi,havoc,or e-stane if ur dosing 30/30/30/40/40 which i did and got some decent results.. gonna do extreme tren next..but will only need one bottle of that and will probably get even better results for less money.. just my opinion...we'll see .
04-08-2009, 03:25 AM
04-08-2009, 12:00 PM
im getting slight shedding at 30mg half way through the cycle... but its really not that bad.
im curious, im at like day 14 in my havoc/hdrol cycle and ive made some INCREDIBLE strength gains (deadlift 5rm up over 40lbs, squat 5rm up 25lbs). the rest is up a ton too im just not sure the exact numbers, and endurance is awesome. but im sure ill get a lot stronger, how much of the strength gains do people usually keep? deadlifting 425x5 yesterday made me so happy. im not willing to give it up especially since i could never even pull it more than once before
04-08-2009, 02:43 PM
04-08-2009, 03:17 PM
you got some very impressive strength buddy. i don't even try **** like that anymore.
as for the dispute, lab assay will be the only way to determine if there are any actual differences between them, and if they are even what they claim to be. theoretically, all these are the identical hormone meythlepitiostanol. there could be differences in isomers or something of thatsort, but really i doubt it. never know with these companies in this industry; anything is possible.
very excited for my first stab at estane next month. will be stacking with xmass (prodien), and if i really wana get nutty, i'm actually debating to save the xmass for later, purchase some 1-T tren and add the estane. I'd imagine libidoloss, lethargy, etc would be pretty intense, but at the same time am curious if the dhea and pregnelone are enough to take care of it.
04-09-2009, 12:10 AM
Its so weird that estane and havoc could be the same thing as i have taken both and saw little results with the estane and major results with havoc. I dont think this could be in my mind either because i was more stoked to finally get ahold of epistane because i thought it would be a better product. but still little results.
04-09-2009, 09:42 AM
havoc and epistane are the same thing....
04-09-2009, 09:52 AM
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