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    Need cycle advice! Tren-E + Test-E


    Cycle- Week 1-10
    1-10 Test E 500mg's EW (pin250monday/pin250thursday)
    1-4 Tren-E 200mg's EW (pin100monday/pin100thursday)
    4-8 Tren-E 300mg's EW (pin150monday/pin150thursday)
    1-10 Adex .5mg EoD
    2-10 T3 50mcg's ED



    PCT- Week 12-16
    Clomid: 50/50/50/50
    Nolva: 40/40/20/20

    Cycle start - 4/13/09

    Thanks for all the help you guys provided me with, allowing this cycle to become what it was meant to be.

    Ill be adding HCG, but that will come a bit later....

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    i think people who are using tren for the first time should use ace incase they dont like the sides....albeit their are fewer sides from the enanthate but it still takes two weeks to clear your system if you dont like it....also...any reason why your test dose is so low...250 isnt really gonna do a whole lot....and running three hundred mgs of tren beside it will probably shut your **** down still....id bump the test to 500mgs per week
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    i think people who are using tren for the first time should use ace incase they dont like the sides....albeit their are fewer sides from the enanthate but it still takes two weeks to clear your system if you dont like it....also...any reason why your test dose is so low...250 isnt really gonna do a whole lot....and running three hundred mgs of tren beside it will probably shut your **** down still....id bump the test to 500mgs per week
    So how much tren would u recommend 200mg EW?
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    no i would use acetate if it were me....but if youve already got the enanthate than just bump your test dose to 500mgs....300 is good on the enanthate you just need more test....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    no i would use acetate if it were me....but if youve already got the enanthate than just bump your test dose to 500mgs....300 is good on the enanthate you just need more test....
    Thanks man, and yea i alrdy have Tren-E. Do u think my pct is lacking, or is it sufficient if i bump the test up to 500mgs EW
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    pct is fine....but you know not to start pct until two weeks after last test e inject right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    pct is fine....but you know not to start pct until two weeks after last test e inject right?
    Are you sure starting it that late, due to Tren-E being done on week 8, wont cause complications?
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    nope....you wanna stop your tren two weeks before you stop test anyway...thats SOP...it ensures that the tren has cleared your bloodstream long before the test does....and it takes two weeks after your last injection of test e before your test levels get back to something resembling normal....so anytime before that and lh is still suppressed...the clomid would be useless at that point...pct always starts two weeks after last inject when using e
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    nope....you wanna stop your tren two weeks before you stop test anyway...thats SOP...it ensures that the tren has cleared your bloodstream long before the test does....and it takes two weeks after your last injection of test e before your test levels get back to something resembling normal....so anytime before that and lh is still suppressed...the clomid would be useless at that point...pct always starts two weeks after last inject when using e
    Thanks alot man, u cleared up alot of **** for me.
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    just noticed a couple of other things....its fine to run the t3 with this but adjust your dosing so your not taking it during pct....its to catabolic to take without at least test....id run it weeks 2-10....this will keep you lean while taking in more calories....and as far as your macros go....you really want to take advantage of this....shoot for 500g protein a day...and as much carbs and fats as you can add along side it....with the t3 included your not gonna get fat so you may as well go all out
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    just noticed a couple of other things....its fine to run the t3 with this but adjust your dosing so your not taking it during pct....its to catabolic to take without at least test....id run it weeks 2-10....this will keep you lean while taking in more calories....and as far as your macros go....you really want to take advantage of this....shoot for 500g protein a day...and as much carbs and fats as you can add along side it....with the t3 included your not gonna get fat so you may as well go all out
    Do u think i should do 150 monday / 150 thursday for the Tren-E injections. I hear people say its a lot better to divide the Tren-E injections to twice a week. Any advice on that?
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    yes do the same with your test.....the enanthate esther peaks after 8 days.....so from week to week you have constantly rising and falling blood levels....this will create more sides...to avoid it pin twice a week....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    yes do the same with your test.....the enanthate esther peaks after 8 days.....so from week to week you have constantly rising and falling blood levels....this will create more sides...to avoid it pin twice a week....
    Do you think the Proviron throughout the cycle is efficient, keep the dosage as it is? Possibly dose it EoD? Or keep it the way it is?
    Also could i substitute Nolva with anything else, since it tends to kill off some gains.
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    if you have already bought the proviron then the every day dosing is fine...if you havent bought it then dont...get adex....its cheaper and more effective...i have been let down by proviron in the past...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    if you have already bought the proviron then the every day dosing is fine...if you havent bought it then dont...get adex....its cheaper and more effective...i have been let down by proviron in the past...
    So if i were to choose arimidex i would take it EoD, ED, and wat would be the dosage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    if you have already bought the proviron then the every day dosing is fine...if you havent bought it then dont...get adex....its cheaper and more effective...i have been let down by proviron in the past...
    So if i were to choose Anastrozole (which is adex right?) i would take it EoD, ED, and wat would be the dosage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmzawa View Post
    So if i were to choose Anastrozole (which is adex right?) i would take it EoD, ED, and wat would be the dosage?
    .5mgs eod would be fine
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    One of my ampules of tren broke (don't ask,) do you think its still efficient if i run it 200mg EW on the first 4 weeks and 300mg EW for the last 4 weeks?
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    if you cant get more tren then thats gonna have to do huh....you should still see results tho
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    since i am beginning this cycle a couple of days, i have a few more questions. Can i pin tren and test in the same syringe? If so what do i put in first, etc, etc.
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    yeah you can use the same syringe.....as for drawing technique it really doesnt matter wich one you put in first....just make sure you not squirting any of the original compound into a new vial....
    Quick Syringe loading question (Drawing Two compounds)
    heres a thread with a couple different peoples technique for a double draw....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    yeah you can use the same syringe.....as for drawing technique it really doesnt matter wich one you put in first....just make sure you not squirting any of the original compound into a new vial....
    Quick Syringe loading question (Drawing Two compounds)
    heres a thread with a couple different peoples technique for a double draw....
    I have another question do you think for injecting i should use a 23" 1.5 or 25" 1.5, so what im asking is will tren / test flow smoothly out of a 25".
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    quick bump (5th page already) hopefully someone can answer the question above... mooch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmzawa View Post
    I have another question do you think for injecting i should use a 23" 1.5 or 25" 1.5, so what im asking is will tren / test flow smoothly out of a 25".
    depends on the oil used with the compounds. if it looks watery then it will probably go through a 25g
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    agreed...25g...should be fine...have you done this already??...ive been off a couple of days...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    agreed...25g...should be fine...have you done this already??...ive been off a couple of days...
    All my gear came except Test-E, i am waiting...... Also i just got a hold of some free Winstrol Orals, if i add it to the cycle at 30mg for 2 months would it provide significant gains?
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    id do it at the end of the cycle...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmzawa View Post
    All my gear came except Test-E, i am waiting...... Also i just got a hold of some free Winstrol Orals, if i add it to the cycle at 30mg for 2 months would it provide significant gains?
    id bump it to 60mg ed for 4 weeks at the tail end of the cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    id bump it to 60mg ed for 4 weeks at the tail end of the cycle
    I actually just have enough for that, lol..
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    Ok i have decided to add HCG to this cycle to keep the boys in check. Ive got some questions regarding this.

    I was going to go with 500iu EW (pin 250/mon - pin 250/thurs) throughout the cycle on weeks 2-10, or possibly dosing 500iu E5D, if i am not getting good enough results.

    I have read mixed reviews on how it should be taken (read all HCG posts on AM), should i take it through out the whole cycle starting on week 2 and leading to the day of the last injection. Or possibly three weeks before last injection, leading up to the day of the last injection and dosing it at higher amounts (need advice on amounts,) or maybe a different route. How would u guys suggest dosing it in my situation, is my original dosage plan the best route? (hoping for a vet to answer, mooch? :P)

    P.S- I'm trying to keep it at as few injections as possible.
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    bump (almost 3rd page)
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    I like to take it throughout. 250iu twice a week is a good starting point, but not really set in stone, if you need more, add more.

    Currently i am taking 500iu M/Thur. I have played around with 250 2x/week, 250 EOD, 250 E3D, and 500 M/Thur, and seem to feel best on 500 M/Thur, especially deeper into the cycle.

    Quote Originally Posted by mmzawa View Post

    P.S- I'm trying to keep it at as few injections as possible.
    Any specific reason for this, or do you just not like pinning? Sub-Q is cake..lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by imprezivr6 View Post
    I like to take it throughout. 250iu twice a week is a good starting point, but not really set in stone, if you need more, add more.

    Currently i am taking 500iu M/Thur. I have played around with 250 2x/week, 250 EOD, 250 E3D, and 500 M/Thur, and seem to feel best on 500 M/Thur, especially deeper into the cycle.


    Any specific reason for this, or do you just not like pinning? Sub-Q is cake..lol
    I just dont like pinning, thats why i went w/ Tren-E .. lol
    But i guess since you can pin it w/ a insulin needle i should be fine.
    Do you take it throughout your whole cycle leading to last injection?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmzawa View Post
    I just dont like pinning, thats why i went w/ Tren-E .. lol
    But i guess since you can pin it w/ a insulin needle i should be fine.
    Do you take it throughout your whole cycle leading to last injection?
    Ya. I do.

    Seriously bro, sub Q is NOTHING.. you can't even call that pinning..lol
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    i like 200iu eod....but it is really all about how you feel... like imprez said....and i would take it all the way up until you start pct...so two weeks after last test inject
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    i like 200iu eod....but it is really all about how you feel... like imprez said....and i would take it all the way up until you start pct...so two weeks after last test inject
    This is true. I was just saying what i do, but neglected to mention i use PROP..lol I am a short ester-a-holic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imprezivr6 View Post
    This is true. I was just saying what i do, but neglected to mention i use PROP..lol I am a short ester-a-holic.

    I have everything for my cycle test came today, is it wise to wait till i get my hands on HCG. Or can i start pinning on monday, and add it in about 2 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmzawa View Post
    I have everything for my cycle test came today, is it wise to wait till i get my hands on HCG. Or can i start pinning on monday, and add it in about 2 weeks.
    That is up to you sir.. I am big on having EVERYTHING i may need, prior, so there is no "ahh ****s".. **** happens in this "game"
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    Quote Originally Posted by imprezivr6 View Post
    That is up to you sir.. I am big on having EVERYTHING i may need, prior, so there is no "ahh ****s".. **** happens in this "game"
    Your right rather be safe then sorry, ill wait it out, i dont wanna regret it later.
  

  
 

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