1st Epi cycle question

[glennwethere]

I am planning my first Epi cycle, it's on its way! My question is, would it be stupid to try and get lean during this cycle. I am trying to lose fat as well as gain muscle. I am willing to not get everything I could get out of a bulk cycle to not have the extra fat. I am 36, 6'-2", 224 lbs. Probably 16% bf. Is this stuff good for cutting or just bulking?

 

[faceman35]

i just used it for cutting and was able to loose bf% while not loosing any weight. It kind of pissed me off that I was not loosing any weight but after i figured out that i was still loosing bf% i was pretty stoked!
I would highly recommend the ah-89/hmg stack from american cell labs. That **** worked wonders for me. I am on the pct right now from it.
Here is a link to a thread I started with pics progressing from my stack.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pics/117854-5-weeks-into.html#post1848843

 

[Liquid13]

I'm finishing my epi cycle today. Put on 15 pounds in a month with no noticable fat increase. This makes me believe a cut done properly would work really well. good luck!

 

[nsmoney1]

15 lbs?!? wow, maybe at 161 lbs you had some "newb" type gains cause thats alot for epi.

I just finished epi at 30/30/40/40 and it was GREAT for cutting. I cut alot of bf and actually gained 5 lbs, and I did it all around 3500-4000 calories/day

 

[glennwethere]

So what kind of bf% reduction have you guys seen?

 

[faceman35]

well I had a diet of 2100 calories. And dropped from 12.8% to 11.0%
I am sure someone who had a higher bf% would be able to drop a lot more. my body has been holding on to the my remaining fat for dear life since i got to 12.5%

 

[glennwethere]

I checked out your pic and your abs are quite visible though, right? That's all I want. I'm ont looking to get 6% because I know i could never maintain it. I'm hoping to get where you are.

 

[faceman35]

well the top 4 of my abs are visible. The lower is not. My abs just came out from hiding for a few years like 3 weeks ago. I want to get to where i have a full six pack. I would say my abs started to show right at about 12.0% bf

 

[faceman35]

and was it just me or did you guys get an increase in appetite while on epi?

 

[nsmoney1]

holy hell, i was hungry every 30 mins.. it started to get real annoying after a while $$$$$ lol

 

[faceman35]

good it was not just me.

 

[glennwethere]

constant hunger!!!

 

[glennwethere]

A couple people have said my 20/30/30/40 Epi cycle was too low for my size, (6'-2", 225) so I bumped it to 20/30/40/40.

I am on my third day at 20. Haven't been to the gym since my very first dose. From what I've read, I should be "feeling" it by day 3. I will be doing chest and tris a bit later today. If I am not feeling anything, should I bump it to 30 early ar stay at 20 for the rest of the week? I want to make sure I get what i can out of this cycle. Does size really matter in the dose?

Thanks guys!

 

[mathis50262]

A couple people have said my 20/30/30/40 Epi cycle was too low for my size, (6'-2", 225) so I bumped it to 20/30/40/40.

I am on my third day at 20. Haven't been to the gym since my very first dose. From what I've read, I should be "feeling" it by day 3. I will be doing chest and tris a bit later today. If I am not feeling anything, should I bump it to 30 early ar stay at 20 for the rest of the week? I want to make sure I get what i can out of this cycle. Does size really matter in the dose?

Thanks guys!

Whats you experince, have you cycled before?

 

[faceman35]

are you still pulsing?

 

[mathis50262]

are you still pulsing?

Your refering to the OP?

 

[glennwethere]

I am not pulsing. I have done a sust 250 cycle some years back a ph cycle a few years ago. I have been lifting for years.

 

[mathis50262]

I am not pulsing. I have done a sust 250 cycle some years back a ph cycle a few years ago. I have been lifting for years.

I would run it at 30mg for sure. Epi is pretty mild, especially for your size. You will most likly find your best results at 30-40mg. Most find 40mg to be the "zone". Listen to your body, bump it up, if you get sides, or feel like shyt lower the dose.

 

[faceman35]

ya I felt it at 30 but really got good results off 40 . By the way at the end of my cycle I got my body fat checked and ended at 9.9%. So started at 12.8% and ended at 9.9%

 

[faceman35]

Your refering to the OP?

ya i was

 

[nsmoney1]

any lower than 30/30/40/40 and your wasting your time at your size. Unfortunately, i never really felt anything crazy.. my strength went up slightly .. epi is just reall mild

 

[glennwethere]

Cool, thanks guys. I will bump it today.

 

[nsmoney1]

make sure your taking your support supps too. alot of people will say you dont need them on cycle but its good to be safe

good luck bro!

 

[faceman35]

definitly some EFA for your joints. Mine were on fire at first. But the EFA helped

 

[glennwethere]

I'm taking Anabolic Xtreme's Perfect Cycle along with 6-8 or so a day 1000 mg EFA's. (2 with each epi dose) also throughout the day, I am taking Hawthorn Berry for BP and Saw Palmetto. I bought Glucosamine for the joints last night but I'm not sure if that stuff really even works though does it? I will take it anyway. I am taking extra B6, COQ10, D, E, a ton of C plus a multi and a few others that I can't think of right now. Seems like all I do lately is pop pills all day long.

 

[glennwethere]

definitly some EFA for your joints. Mine were on fire at first. But the EFA helped

How much extra EFA helped with your joints?

 

[faceman35]

i will have to look at the actual dosage on the bottle when I get home.