I don't think I need PCT or to wait a month til' my next cycle... Here's why...

[mdgrwl]

Alright, so here's the story. I started pulsing Epistane 6 weeks ago... 3 weeks into it, my fears of shutdown were gone as I wasn't really experiencing much of anything in terms of libido ect, felt fine, perhaps slightly moody... so I went full on straight cycle for the last 3 weeks. I'm up to 60mg a day, and to be honest... I'm not sure if I'm a non-responder or what, but I'm getting nada out of this. No strength gains, no real body comp changes... I have no loss in libido... I honestly feel like I'm not taking a PH at all. I don't feel like I'm going to need a PCT whatsoever... very weak or I'm just a non-responder. Very disappointed...

So with these turn of events, I'm looking to try my hand at H-Drol. I almost feel like just starting it today... but reasoning tells me I should wait. But the question is how long? I feel like a week or two tops... but what would you do if you were in my situation?

[Iron Lungz]

Oh jeez...
Non-responder to a PH? How many calories are you eating daily? (macros)

You better use a PCT, and wait a few months before kicking your hormones in the nuts again. (No pun intended)

I'm not saying that Epistane is mind-blowing, because it's not. It is mild, but with the proper diet/training routine, the gains are very lean and dry. But if you are not gaining a pound period, then your diet is in the ****ter.

[maurice02]

Oh jeez...
Non-responder to a PH? How many calories are you eating daily? (macros)

You better use a PCT, and wait a few months before kicking your hormones in the nuts again. (No pun intended)

I'm not saying that Epistane is mind-blowing, because it's not. It is mild, but with the proper diet/training routine, the gains are very lean and dry. But if you are not gaining a pound period, then your diet is in the ****ter.

Amen to that. Double check your diet. I have been eating clean and at most 300 cal above and have put on 7.5 pounds in 15 days so far. No waste changes.....I still do cardio (200 - 300 calories burned per session 5x a week). Not a lot but compounded with lifting it adds up.

As for PCT, YES, you still should run one. Unless you go get your test checked and all comes back normal, I highly advise still running one and not judging off of what you see now. At this point, you don't know what has been done inside. Better safe than sorry.

[mixedup]

your also still on a 17methyl even if you don't feel shutdown your liver is taking quite a hit. Go Get Blood tests then if they are fine you can say you don't need a PCT etc

[Iron Lungz]

I'm not saying that Epistane is mind-blowing, because it's not. It is mild, but with the proper diet/training routine, the gains are very lean and dry. But if you are not gaining a pound period, then your diet is in the ****ter.
i agree with lungz!..with a proper diet and training you should have made at least some gains!

Bobby, you have got to start using the quote button!

[bslick69b]

Bobby, you have got to start using the quote button!

oops!..okay!

[mdgrwl]

I guess waiting is the wise (safe) thing to do, and I probably will... but I highly doubt I'll wait 2 months... The rule of thumb is however long your on a PH is how long you should be off before starting another...
so help me out here.. for 3 weeks, I pulsed it... then I used it straight for the last 3 weeks...

I don't think 6 weeks is needed, but tell me what you think

[maurice02]

most wait 2 - 3 months usually......that is counting your PCT.......so 4 weeks pct (sometimes 6) plus another 4 weeks.

I advise 8.......just my opinion.

[mdgrwl]

alright, here's a crazy thought... what about bridging the two and making it one long continous cycle? 5 weeks of H-Drol, plus my previous 3 weeks of Epi (if you want to count the other 3 weeks of pulsed)...

I know they aren't popular, but what do you think of an 8 week cycle? I see here and there people running crazy long 12 week cycles...

your thoughts?

[maurice02]

I wouldn't do it personally, but, there are people running 6 - 8 week cycles here. I believe someone is currently on week 7 of a Havoc cycle on here. Longest I would consider running is 6, but that is just my personal preference, plus if I got sides I would not want to deal with them that long.

It has been done though and they are alive to tell of it LoL ....lets see who chimes in and their advice.

[Iron Lungz]

I don't think 6 weeks is needed, but tell me what you think

I think you already have your mind set...

but I highly doubt I'll wait 2 months...

6 weeks of a cycle + 4 weeks of PCT = 10 weeks at the minimum.
It doesn't matter if you pulsed for half of that, because you were still ON a cycle.

[bound]

I think you already have your mind set...


6 weeks of a cycle + 4 weeks of PCT = 10 weeks at the minimum.
It doesn't matter if you pulsed for half of that, because you were still ON a cycle.

I'm with Ironlungz, give it the whole ten weeks, if only for your liver.

[mixedup]

alright, here's a crazy thought... what about bridging the two and making it one long continous cycle? 5 weeks of H-Drol, plus my previous 3 weeks of Epi (if you want to count the other 3 weeks of pulsed)...

I know they aren't popular, but what do you think of an 8 week cycle? I see here and there people running crazy long 12 week cycles...

your thoughts?

That is still along time on methyls. If you were to bridge into a non methyl it could be ok. I havent' seen anyone run 12 weeks on a 17a methyl even 8 weeks is very long six weeks tops for most people

[crowpass]

fyi. monsterbox used pp and has not felt anything and presumably hes been eating >4000 calories a day. there is bunk **** appearantly.

[mixedup]

fyi. monsterbox used pp and has not felt anything and presumably hes been eating >4000 calories a day. there is bunk **** appearantly.

FYI there is another user on here who is using the same batch as monster right now. and is up 5lbs the first week. with pumps etc.

[rabican]

I agree do your pct and wait atleast 2 months...

[UnrealMachine]

Some stuff is bunk but there are legit "nonresponders" I am one of them, i have talked about it a million times.

[crowpass]

i always read your posts bro.

[boo99]

I thought I had two bottles of HAVOC when starting my cycle on Dec. 18.

I had HAVOC and Epistane as I later found out. (these were ordered some time ago)

Ate all the HAVOCs then bridged to Epistane--- was at 50mg HAVOC at end of that bottle and now 50mg Epistane about 2 weeks and I can tell you---

The HAVOC was way stronger: In sides, in pumps, in gains, in weight.

To tell you honestly, I dont feel squat on the Epistane and even lost 1/4" off my arms. (aint saying this loss is from the Epistane but theres a big difference , at least, to the way I respond to both products that are the same ingredients.)
Diet has been same thruout: Very clean --same supps etc.

Im finishing the rest of the Epistane and will do my same planned PCT.

Next cycle will prob/maybe be HAVOC/Tren in summer.