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    is trenadrol a 19 nor steroid?

    if so, i wish it would've said so in their advertising.
    i would've bought some dostinex if that's the case.

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    i dont think anybody knows what it is bro.
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    its a mystery compound. says one thing but tests out as something else apparently
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    im unfamiliar with this product...whats the chem nomenclature? cant seem to find it in a search

    edit:but it seems to me that if it says one thing but shows up as something else then this is another example of the company iether being dumb or shady...
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    17b-methoxy-Trienbolone
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    oh its methoxy trn...get your dostinex ibanez
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    or run p-5-p and tell me if you get gyno...i need a guinea pig
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    or run p-5-p and tell me if you get gyno...i need a guinea pig
    My left nip got big on a cycle of Phera, within 3 days on 200mg of B-6, it went back to normal. I ran 200mg's for 7 days, no problems in PCT.

    Based on that i would have to assume P-5-P works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    My left nip got big on a cycle of Phera, within 3 days on 200mg of B-6, it went back to normal. I ran 200mg's for 7 days, no problems in PCT.

    Based on that i would have to assume P-5-P works.

    wait...you ran normal b-6? not the p-5-p? i thought the dosing on p-5-p had to be like 200mgs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    wait...you ran normal b-6? not the p-5-p? i thought the dosing on p-5-p had to be like 200mgs?
    P-5-P is the better choice because of the side effects. Not sure about the dosage. I would say 200mgs is correct. If you consider that 50mgs P-5-P is 30mgs of B-6, then you can understand why the B-6 worked so well.

    I ran 200mgs of b-6 because i happened to already have it lying around. 200mgs is the upper limit of what i have found acceptable in my research. i wouldnt dose it that high for more than a week though. It has the potential to cause nerve damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    P-5-P is the better choice because of the side effects. Not sure about the dosage. I would say 200mgs is correct. If you consider that 50mgs P-5-P is 30mgs of B-6, then you can understand why the B-6 worked so well.

    I ran 200mgs of b-6 because i happened to already have it lying around. 200mgs is the upper limit of what i have found acceptable in my research. i wouldnt dose it that high for more than a week though. It has the potential to cause nerve damage.

    ok..my im really only starting to learn about p-5-p but i thought that b-6 converted to p-5-p after interacting with the liver...how can 30mgs of b-6 convert to 50 mgs p-5-p? and can you elaborate on the nerve damage part as well...im very interested in this product as i am very succeptible to prolactin induced gyno flare-ups and i hate the sides of caber
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    ok..my im really only starting to learn about p-5-p but i thought that b-6 converted to p-5-p after interacting with the liver...how can 30mgs of b-6 convert to 50 mgs p-5-p? and can you elaborate on the nerve damage part as well...im very interested in this product as i am very succeptible to prolactin induced gyno flare-ups and i hate the sides of caber
    Im not really sure about how 30=50, thats just what I read off the labels.

    B-6 in high doses can cause nerve damage, look for bassgod272, or something like that. He did too much B-6, now his left leg is numb.Thats why you use the P-5-P.

    I've posted a bunch of studies on the subject on here, they might be hard to find, I'll try and dig up the old posts. But I laid out a good 5+ studies in a past thread. I think I was arguing with ziquor, over the fact that their Cycle assist dosage is so high, to get comparable doses as the other ingredients in Cycle support.
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    I was curious about the B6 dosage in Cycle support. My bottle says 50mg per dose and I take 2 does a day. I will be taking this dose of 100mg per day for 6 weeks. I will be adding Trenadrol to my cycle and I am not sure if I need to add some additional P-5-P? I am also taking 1-Carboxy before I workout and before bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium View Post
    I was curious about the B6 dosage in Cycle support.
    There is no B-6 in Cycle Support, maybe you were thinking of another product?
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    i didn't get gyno
    i'm all done
    i'm in PCT now.

    taking clomid and nolva

    i'll get dostinex for my next cycle of any PH cuz you never know what the f*ck you're taking. pisses me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    There is no B-6 in Cycle Support, maybe you were thinking of another product?
    My mistake I meant Cycle Assist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium View Post
    My mistake I meant Cycle Assist.
    Makes more sense. Ya you could throw some p-5-p in there, It wont hurt, and it will give you that extra security. But its probably not mandatory.

    Whats the cycle your adding it too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    There is no B-6 in Cycle Support, maybe you were thinking of another product?
    Correct. Thanks FP.
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    If you don't get crazy with dosing, a good dopamine agonist stack works fine.
    I haven't heard of one person having prolactin issues while using it. Myself included.
    STACK:
    P-5-P 2tabs/day(NOW Brand)
    Tyrosine 500mg 2x/day
    Mucuna Pruriens (15%-20% L-Dopa)4-6g/day

    Phenylalanine can also be used but it is one step "upstream" from Tyrosine in the Dopamine pathway so I just don't use it.
    It can also have stimulant effects which can increase heart rate. NOT a good idea on Tren.

    Oh yeah...I have also heard that 1-carboxy also works to increase Dopamine levels. I've just never seen any research or tried it myself.

    Pathway to Dopamine:
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    so whats the diff between trenadrol (17b-methoxy-Trienbolone) and trena (19-norandrosta 4,9 diene 3, 17 dione)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibanezman08 View Post
    is trenadrol a 19 nor steroid?

    if so, i wish it would've said so in their advertising.
    i would've bought some dostinex if that's the case.
    Kilosports Trenadrol? What would dostinex do for ya? Help with prolactin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by angel77 View Post
    Kilosports Trenadrol? What would dostinex do for ya? Help with prolactin?
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryaroberts View Post
    so whats the diff between trenadrol (17b-methoxy-Trienbolone) and trena (19-norandrosta 4,9 diene 3, 17 dione)
    well alr says the 17b-methoxy-trienbolone is methylated trenbolone...i'll go with him on that one because wehn i ran it...i was on tren, all the way down to crazy dreams....and the estra 4 9 converts to dienalone...both will give dry, lean gains...
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    Yes.
    Would I be safe with P5P and Vitex instead? I'm running a PPlex and SDrol bridge next month. I have both of these already. Cheers, angel77
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    well alr says the 17b-methoxy-trienbolone is methylated trenbolone...i'll go with him on that one because wehn i ran it...i was on tren, all the way down to crazy dreams....and the estra 4 9 converts to dienalone...both will give dry, lean gains...
    Mooch, can you point me to where ALR stated this? I've never heard this before and have about two bottles worth of M-TRN...

    Thanks in advance.

    EDIT: Were you talking abou M-TRN or Trenadrol? I'm assuming M-TRN since that was an ALRI product. Thanks again.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    oh its methoxy trn...get your dostinex ibanez
    When Trenadrol first came out the label stated 3mg and later changed to 30mg...but still stated the same made up nomenclature on the label

    Nobody knows what it really is except the makers...not that I am aware of anyway...
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Mooch, can you point me to where ALR stated this? I've never heard this before and have about two bottles worth of M-TRN...

    Thanks in advance.

    EDIT: Were you talking abou M-TRN or Trenadrol? I'm assuming M-TRN since that was an ALRI product. Thanks again.

    i know him personally...he has told me this before
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    I hope he was ****ing with you, especially since TRN was marketed as a non-methyl.

    Methyltrienolone (methylated tren) is notoriously hepatotoxic.

    EDIT:
    PDF - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/404im...abolics-2006-w.

    HTML - Anabolics 2006 - W. Llewellyn (2006) WW
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    I hope he was ****ing with you, especially since TRN was marketed as a non-methyl.

    Methyltrienolone (methylated tren) is notoriously hepatotoxic.
    i dont really know chemistry that well but doesnt methoxy refer to a methyl group being atached to the oxygen molecule?
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    Those versed in organic, please feel free to correct me if I state this incorrectly. I'm more or less self taught in this area of chemsitry.

    Methylation of steroids refers to a methyl group at the c-17 alpha position (also referred to as c-17 alpha alkylation or c-17aa). This is functionally different than an adjacent methyl and hydroxy group on the 17b position. I think I said that correctly

    EDIT: I'm not comfortable with how I worded the underlined section, in particular, the useage of the word adjacent. I'm just drawing a blank right now though.
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    good info...i saw him yesterday and he said he was leaving town for two weeks...i will ask him to elaborate when he comes back...
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    and yes i am only talking about m-trn...trenadrol says the same thing on the bottle but i have no experience with that brand in particular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angel77 View Post
    Would I be safe with P5P and Vitex instead? I'm running a PPlex and SDrol bridge next month. I have both of these already. Cheers, angel77
    I would at least throw in some Tyrosine too.
    I've used Vitex in the past and it killed my appetite.

    I edited my dosing on the P5P...it's 2 tabs NOT 200mg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Those versed in organic, please feel free to correct me if I state this incorrectly. I'm more or less self taught in this area of chemsitry.

    Methylation of steroids refers to a methyl group at the c-17 alpha position (also referred to as c-17 alpha alkylation or c-17aa). This is functionally different than an adjacent methyl and hydroxy group on the 17b position. I think I said that correctly

    EDIT: I'm not comfortable with how I worded the underlined section, in particular, the useage of the word adjacent. I'm just drawing a blank right now though.
    You are correct.

    Hydroxy= OH
    Methyl= CH3
    Methoxy= CH3O
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    I hope he was ****ing with you, especially since TRN was marketed as a non-methyl.

    Methyltrienolone (methylated tren) is notoriously hepatotoxic.

    EDIT:
    PDF - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/404im...abolics-2006-w.

    HTML - Anabolics 2006 - W. Llewellyn (2006) WW
    If this info is correct and I have no reason to believe it is not, there are going to be some screwed up people with bad livers before very long. I would not touch that stuff by the way that article sounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GotTest View Post
    I would at least throw in some Tyrosine too.
    I've used Vitex in the past and it killed my appetite.

    I edited my dosing on the P5P...it's 2 tabs NOT 200mg.

    thank you very much. so just 2 caps of P5P per day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    If this info is correct and I have no reason to believe it is not, there are going to be some screwed up people with bad livers before very long. I would not touch that stuff by the way that article sounds.
    if trenadrol is indeed methylated, i'd be very pissed off and probably would never run pro-hormones again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Those versed in organic, please feel free to correct me if I state this incorrectly. I'm more or less self taught in this area of chemsitry.

    Methylation of steroids refers to a methyl group at the c-17 alpha position (also referred to as c-17 alpha alkylation or c-17aa). This is functionally different than an adjacent methyl and hydroxy group on the 17b position. I think I said that correctly

    EDIT: I'm not comfortable with how I worded the underlined section, in particular, the useage of the word adjacent. I'm just drawing a blank right now though.


    methoxy means -O-CH3.... an oxygen attached to a carbon with three hydrogens. C-17 is a carbon molecule designated the 17th position on the carbon ring structure where there is usualy a -OH group. 17b stands for 17-beta, beta is the second carbon closes to the functional (in this case it is the OH @ the 17th carbon on tren)... Therefore, according to this name there is a methoxy group attached to the 17-beta carbon of the molecule trienebolone. Now I assume the trienebolone is in place of trenbolone for legal purposes. Tri ene means three double bonds. (tri-three; ene-alkene-double bond) not sure what the b is for but olone is for alcohol(OH @ the 17th position) and one is for ketone (double bonded O =O) at the 4th positione... So I am guessing from the name it is trenbolone with -O-CH3 one carbon over from the -OH @ 17th position.
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    Which means it is not 17 alpha alkylated. It is 17 beta methoxyed lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by futrochem View Post
    Which means it is not 17 alpha alkylated. It is 17 beta methoxyed lol
    ...which means? lol =P organic chem was not my best subject.
  

  
 

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