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    first PH cycle, please guide me


    i've been training for about 5 years so i think i qualify, and im of age too. im looking to gain mainly strength, although some size would be great too. i've heard epistane is good. can anyone link me to a first cycle guide of some sort?

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    Your best bet is the search function.

    type epistane, and 100000000000000000000000 threads will come up.

    But to be more helpful..

    Epistane 20 30 30 40mg

    Cycle support: cycle assist through out the cycle.

    PCT: nolva 20 20 10 10 Or clomid: 100 50 50 50
    test booster: PCT assist

    Or if you want to go the OTC route which i don't prefer.

    You can go with

    6-oxo extreme: 600/400/300/200
    test booster: PCT assist

    or

    Reversitol: 3/2/2/1
    test booster: PCT assist


    Basic cycle, 8-10lbs or more.

    Based on your diet is in check and training as well. goodluck
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    your best bet is researching until you don't need a guide to construct your cycle

    also i'd be curious about your age, just because your name is shivboy89.

    All that said, Epi is a solid first cycle. What are your stats and specific goals for this one? If it's just more strength than mass maybe even a 19-nor tren could work well.
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    oh lol 8/9/1980 is my bday


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    height: 5'7
    weight 165

    bench/squat/dead 235,325,380

    specific goals.. hmm.. just gain as much strength possible.
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    I think you should try adding some more size before you consider steroids.
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    adding more size naturally is always a good idea

    if the main goal is to raise the "big 3" lifts though, what do you guys think of a 19-nor tren like this:
    60/60/90/90/90
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    I think 19nors are a great place to start for newbies to prohormones. Minimally dangerous and you can still get the acceptable gains.

    At his weight though, I'd stick to 60-70ish. At 90, sides might start to rear their ugly heads. He could always hit 90 and then just taper back down if they show up.
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    I don't think tren is near mild. That **** shut me down. a noob losing his libido on his 1st cycle would prolly get depressed.

    stick to Epistane/Havoc. some joint pain won't depress you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    I think you should try adding some more size before you consider steroids.
    Yeah add more size so you too can be a meat head and talk down to people just like rugger
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezza View Post
    Yeah add more size so you too can be a meat head and talk down to people just like rugger
    Awwww, don't get butthurt

    It's friendly advice, we like to make sure people are "on the level" before starting

    Are you on the level?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezza View Post
    Yeah add more size so you too can be a meat head and talk down to people just like rugger
    Ahh, the old meathead insult. Classic response from the skinny side of the bleachers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Problem View Post
    I don't think tren is near mild. That **** shut me down. a noob losing his libido on his 1st cycle would prolly get depressed.

    stick to Epistane/Havoc. some joint pain won't depress you.
    Would h-drol be a better choice for beginners?? or is epistane/havok milder/safer for noobs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinivan View Post
    Would h-drol be a better choice for beginners?? or is epistane/havok milder/safer for noobs?

    h-drol at 50 50 75 75 75 75. great cycle for begginers, and you can get away with an OTC PCT. although i'll always use a SERM, no kitchen sink stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Problem View Post
    h-drol at 50 50 75 75 75 75. great cycle for begginers, and you can get away with an OTC PCT. although i'll always use a SERM, no kitchen sink stuff.
    Currently doing PCT for that exact cycle. I'm using AI PCS. No problems at all. A serm might even be doing more harm than good for a cycle that mild.

    Definitely gets my vote anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Problem View Post
    h-drol at 50 50 75 75 75 75. great cycle for begginers, and you can get away with an OTC PCT. although i'll always use a SERM, no kitchen sink stuff.

    Im planning on reversitol plus activate xtreme for pct only plus leanfx and liver longer from thermolife.
    I also hear people going for bold for first ph cycle. Is that stuff less harsh than h-drol? Is it mathylated?. It seems folks are doing that plus reversitol only pct. I would like to learn more about bold, any links?
    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    Ahh, the old meathead insult. Classic response from the skinny side of the bleachers.

    I don't have an opinion on this mini-debate, but that was a funny comback. I LOL'd. haha.
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    Hahahah, the title of this thread is funny as shet. It's like "Roid-Fu...The Legend Continues"

    If you really wanna jump into the hard stuff, look into H-Drol. It seems to be a good lil' starter PH. Hit up a cycle at 5-6 weeks. Dependent on body weight, you should start at 50mg and ramp up to 100mg.

    Make sure you have something of a serm onhand. Won't suggest which, but just make sure to have one of your choice. And since H-Drol is so mild, you won't NEED to use it if you stay at a sane dosage of the -drol. Something of a PCT Assist/Trione combo will suffice. Cortisol modulation is optional. You don't need to knock it out completely. You should just kind of knock it down, not out.

    Good luck, Hambone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    I think you should try adding some more size before you consider steroids.

    looks like he is more going for strength and if you look percentage wise he is pretty strong for his weight based on his lifts.

    if he was 220lbs based on percentage his lifts would like like this

    Bench 313lbs
    Squat 433 lbs
    Dead 506lbs
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    or evan milder is 3AD or dremacrine
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