Horrible reaction to Epistane. Anybody else?

[mattnoble]

So I bought 2 bottles of Epistane with the intent of doing a one-month pulse to start. I took my first pill today about 30 minutes before my workout. Workout started great, then got even better. Eventually I was so pumped I couldn't stop shaking and began to feel nauseous. Sadly, I was at work at the time (I'm a teacher and my school has a gym) and I couldn't stop my panic attack. I felt faint, had a rapid pulse, and felt very hot and unable to cool down.

I'm very stim sensitive, to be honest, but I've pulsed Epithin-E while on the Mass Fx, Hyperdrol X2 stack and never felt anything but great (up to 4 x HDX2, 4 x MFX and 3 Epithin-E) in a day. WTF happened to me?

Thank god I had some tranquilizers lying around at home from my last flight (from Aerophobia) but I needed three just to feel human again.

Are the two supps that different? Epithin-E is 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol and Epistane is 2,3a-epithio-17a-methyetioallocholan-17b-ol. If someone who knows what goes into the designers that makes them so different, or if you have any clue why I wigged out, please let me know. The worst part is I have 179 Epistane pills that I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole in my cupboard.

Thanks in advance.

 

[JerryCurl]

Prob just that, you had a panic attack.
Prob got so pumped and jacked up you gave yourself a panic attack. Placebo effect as well
It's not the pill, one pill would not do that, it was all in ur head.

I'll take those evil pills off ur hands if you like.

 

[Knowbull]

So I bought 2 bottles of Epistane with the intent of doing a one-month pulse to start. I took my first pill today about 30 minutes before my workout. Workout started great, then got even better. Eventually I was so pumped I couldn't stop shaking and began to feel nauseous. Sadly, I was at work at the time (I'm a teacher and my school has a gym) and I couldn't stop my panic attack. I felt faint, had a rapid pulse, and felt very hot and unable to cool down.

I'm very stim sensitive, to be honest, but I've pulsed Epithin-E while on the Mass Fx, Hyperdrol X2 stack and never felt anything but great (up to 4 x HDX2, 4 x MFX and 3 Epithin-E) in a day. WTF happened to me?

Thank god I had some tranquilizers lying around at home from my last flight (from Aerophobia) but I needed three just to feel human again.

Are the two supps that different? Epithin-E is 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol and Epistane is 2,3a-epithio-17a-methyetioallocholan-17b-ol. If someone who knows what goes into the designers that makes them so different, or if you have any clue why I wigged out, please let me know. The worst part is I have 179 Epistane pills that I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole in my cupboard.

Thanks in advance.

Ive read posts like this before,you have an allergy to your bodies own endorphins, you need to find another hobby.

 

[Space]

Are the two supps that different? Epithin-E is 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol and Epistane is 2,3a-epithio-17a-methyetioallocholan-17b-ol. If someone who knows what goes into the designers that makes them so different, or if you have any clue why I wigged out, please let me know. The worst part is I have 179 Epistane pills that I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole in my cupboard.

Thanks in advance.

They are the same chemical compound. Etioallocholan is 5a-androstan.

 

[Iron Lungz]

You took one dose? (10mg of EPI-E by Generic)

I don't think that the compound had anything to do with your panic attack. You may want to lay off the steroids until you have that under control, IMO.

But I seriously doubt that after one dose it gave you the attack.

Hope you get better.

 

[nattydisaster]

Panic attack for sure. Happened to me before (not while taking epistane).

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

You took one dose? (10mg of EPI-E by Generic)

I don't think that the compound had anything to do with your panic attack. You may want to lay off the steroids until you have that under control, IMO.

But I seriously doubt that after one dose it gave you the attack.

Hope you get better.

I agree here. No steriods unless you have the condition under control. IMO steriods are never a good choice for people with depression or panic disorder conditions.

 

[crader]

I agree with the above. One cap should not do that. I would say that you had a weird reaction to the adrenaline.

 

[crazyfool405]

i know some one who took oral turinadrol by Juggernaut and ended up with a rash,

but i took it and i was fine, every one reacts to different compounds, maybe you had eaten something different get it checked out

 

[futurepilot]

If someone who knows what goes into the designers that makes them so different, or if you have any clue why I wigged out, please let me know.

URGENT! There is only one cure for your condition!! You must send me all your tranquilizers! PM for address!

 

[mattnoble]

Thanks to everyone for your replies. Maybe it was me, not the compound but I can't shake the feeling that it must somehow be different than epithin-e in some form or other. Epistane smells like someone quaffed a hot sulfur fart in your face but epithin-e doesn't. Unless IBE uses sulfur-laced gelcaps...

If there are any chemheads who can break it down for me, I'd appreciate knowing if they indeed are the very same or not.

Until then I guess I'll just stick to Epithin-e then.

Thanks again everyone.

 

[Necroticism]

they are the same, the compound is just written differently. see here

They are the same chemical compound. Etioallocholan is 5a-androstan.

 

[RoadBlocK]

Wow I feel bad for you, but having experienced both epistane and epithin-e, Ive gotta say, they are the same, and both good quality products, but Im not a chemist, so thats my opinion, take it or leave it.

Honestly, if something works for you, stick with it, dont skimp on things to save a few bucks. I see so many people complaining about clones or products they bought for a few dollars cheaper than the name brand or known brands, only to wind up with ruined cycles, how much does that save.

Sorry for the slightly offtopic rant, but I do wish you well, and I meant what I said, if you find something that works for you stick with it, stock up on it, do it before its gone.

 

[nattydisaster]

They two chemicals you listed are the same. Again, your condition was a panic attack. Why do you have tranquilizers? I'm not making assumptions, but maybe you are not in a correct psychological state right now for any type of steroids/prohormones.

 

[Iron Lungz]

Thanks to everyone for your replies. Maybe it was me, not the compound but I can't shake the feeling that it must somehow be different than epithin-e in some form or other. Epistane smells like someone quaffed a hot sulfur fart in your face but epithin-e doesn't. Unless IBE uses sulfur-laced gelcaps...

If there are any chemheads who can break it down for me, I'd appreciate knowing if they indeed are the very same or not.

Until then I guess I'll just stick to Epithin-e then.

Thanks again everyone.

Enough of this... They are the same exact compound.

You don't have to be a chem-head to understand this. A simple Google search would indicate the same.

I can understand if you took Clen and had a panic attack from the first dose... but EPI has to have time to metabolize in your system first before getting anything from it; and that goes for panic attacks.
I think it was self-induced. Bottom line.

Enjoy.

 

[crader]

All epithio type products should smell like sulfur. They are both the same compound and you should react the same on them. I would say that its just a bad day that you had.

 

[mattnoble]

Why do you have tranquilizers? I'm not making assumptions, but maybe you are not in a correct psychological state right now for any type of steroids/prohormones.

8 years ago I was on a plane that had to do an emergency landing due to an electrical fire in the cockpit. Since then I've had aerophobia. I was never scared of flying before. I live in Japan and make a few flights per year so I keep them on hand. Oh, and it helps me come down off the meth:dance:

Enough of this... They are the same exact compound.

You don't have to be a chem-head to understand this. A simple Google search would indicate the same.

I can understand if you took Clen and had a panic attack from the first dose... but EPI has to have time to metabolize in your system first before getting anything from it; and that goes for panic attacks.
I think it was self-induced. Bottom line.

Enjoy.

That had a bit of an ascerbic tone there. I was very willing to believe that the fault was on my behalf. I thought that that was clear. I didn't come barrelling into these threads demanding money back, slandering your company's name, nor was I distasteful or off-coloured. I noted somebody told me they are the same compounds. I was asking why two identical things had different names. Perhaps I should have phrased it better. Sorry for the ambiguity.

But you are supposed to be a representative for your company and your post reeks of contempt for one of the many who keep you in business. I would imagine the thousands of people singing Epistane's praises would steele you against one person who had (not even really) negative feedback, but who merely wanted it to be explained in terms he could understand. The bad experience I had with your product was on me, but the negative image I've developed of your company is on you.

Everybody else, thank you very much for taking time to give me some feedback on my situation. Peace.:wave:

 

[Iron Lungz]

8 years ago I was on a plane that had to do an emergency landing due to an electrical fire in the cockpit. Since then I've had aerophobia. I was never scared of flying before. I live in Japan and make a few flights per year so I keep them on hand. Oh, and it helps me come down off the meth:dance:



That had a bit of an ascerbic tone there. I was very willing to believe that the fault was on my behalf. I thought that that was clear. I didn't come barrelling into these threads demanding money back, slandering your company's name, nor was I distasteful or off-coloured. I noted somebody told me they are the same compounds. I was asking why two identical things had different names. Perhaps I should have phrased it better. Sorry for the ambiguity.

But you are supposed to be a representative for your company and your post reeks of contempt for one of the many who keep you in business. I would imagine the thousands of people singing Epistane's praises would steele you against one person who had (not even really) negative feedback, but who merely wanted it to be explained in terms he could understand. The bad experience I had with your product was on me, but the negative image I've developed of your company is on you.

Everybody else, thank you very much for taking time to give me some feedback on my situation. Peace.:wave:

You don't know me... You used a very condescending tone in an earlier post, so all is fair.
I'm not going to hold my tongue just to be polite.
I like honest feedback, period. Everyone knows that. But one dose (10mg)? Seriously.

But enough of this. I really hope you figure out what is causing your panic attacks, I wish you all the best.

 

[futurepilot]

8 years ago I was on a plane that had to do an emergency landing due to an electrical fire in the cockpit. Since then I've had aerophobia. I was never scared of flying before.

Oh, and it helps me come down off the meth:dance:

Almost 10 years ago I had the exact same thing happen, 8 yrs later I started training too be a pilot myself. Two paths converged in a yellow wood, as it were.

Dont do meth. Much more constructive things to be doing with your time.

 

[poopypants]

Wow sorry to hear this man.

Sounds like you have a problem with adrenaline more then anything. And if you really do meth then this can only increase the possibilities of alternative causes. When was the last time you spun the caddy before this and also when was the last time you ate?

One single dose of a steroid wouldnt induce this effect whatsoever. And if you were allergic to the compound then you would have had a reaction like a rash or swelling not a panic attack or hypoglycemia (also sounds like that to me)... sounds like you should lay off steroids altogether though as once the compound DOSE start going in your system consistently one could only think it would exacerbate the problem.... I wouldnt cycle and I wouldnt do meth.... and make sure to even watch all your workouts.... maybe take a neurotropic before hand like GABA or something anti anxiety related but wont sedate you beyond being able to lift (dont pop a tranq then hit the iron).

Again sorry to hear bro, def sucks. Good luck with your problem and do keep us updated.

 

[LilPsychotic]

Thanks to everyone for your replies. Maybe it was me, not the compound but I can't shake the feeling that it must somehow be different than epithin-e in some form or other. Epistane smells like someone quaffed a hot sulfur fart in your face but epithin-e doesn't. Unless IBE uses sulfur-laced gelcaps...

If there are any chemheads who can break it down for me, I'd appreciate knowing if they indeed are the very same or not.

Until then I guess I'll just stick to Epithin-e then.

Thanks again everyone.

Well, according to the label they are the same, but rumors have surfaced about different epithio brands not actually containing what the bottle is labled. Or, maybe you had a reaction to an inactive ingredient. Or, maybe you some self induced panic? I get kinda panicky when I do cardio on cycle.

 

[mattnoble]

Um, I was joking about the meth. I mean, have you ever tried to hold your camera steady at a porn shoot on meth. It ain't easy, I tell ya.

 

[poopypants]

LOL we got a joker here

nice dude, well just take it easy... make sure it doesnt happen again for a while, see a doc if it does then maybe give it another go around in a month or so of no incidences. I really feel for you and your poor neglected epi..... its callin out, saying "I want to make you STRONGER, BIGGER, HAPPIER!!!!" def not the cause man so dont let your psyche mess you up and make you go into panic mode over nothing.

You take stims at all though??

 

[Movin_weight]

i had a panic attack after taking a pill of superdrol for my first cycle ever a couple years ago... but it was most likely caused by just being anxious about trying something new and nervous, not the pill itself

i'v also come close to having one in the gym when i was all pumped and thought i was feeling tightness in my chest

panic attacks are purely psychological... you obviously just got all worked up about somthing, and are prob experiencing alof of stress and anxiety in your daily life

hold off on the drugs til you get things in order like others said

 

[iLLGT2]

Crazy as hell!!

2 summers ago I decided after tons of hard work in the gym, I would do a small Anavar cycle..

I was a big ECAY user, stimulant etc.. Never any anxiety issues...

Took the VAR, 3 days into it I had to go to the hospital as I thought I was going to die, I was dazed/dizzy and in a fog/weak for weeks on after, and since I cannot have stims or else I start to freak out a bit, terrible.

I think I can attribute this to heavy prolonged use of ephedrine and stims, then the var just put me overboard, like an idiot I was still taking ephedrine with the Anavar , just one 25 mg though during the day..

I do think however though, that my body was just freaking out from the hormonal changing and adrenaline as mentioned, livery enzymes were high though just 3 days in which were weird, scared the **** out of me and now have to deal with anxiety on and off!

 

[hardknock]

Um, I was joking about the meth. I mean, have you ever tried to hold your camera steady at a porn shoot on meth. It ain't easy, I tell ya.

basically, lay off the designers, that's not for you my man!

Go with natural test boosters and AI's...forget the roids. They don't fit well with you.