Before & after blood tests from a superdrol cycle
- 09-27-2008, 07:04 PM
Before & after blood tests from a superdrol cycle
Id like to share some blood test results from a Sustain Alpha PCT.
The 40 yr old male had chronically low testosterone. He had his hormone values checked on 12/9/07 prior to running an 8 week 1-T THP ether / Superdrol cycle. His levels where at 289ng/dl.
For PCT I instructed him to use Sustain Alpha with Toco-8. He didnít expect to get his T levels past 300ng/dl since he had had low T level for so long. After the cycle, he ran the PCT for 30 days, then got his hormones values tested 30 days after PCT.
After PCT, his results came back with the highest levels of Testosterone he had in years --782 ng/dl. You will also notice a reduction in LH/FSH. This shows that his testes where sensitized to the effects of the LH/FSH and where able to make more testosterone with less stimulation. Toco-8 helps make the testes more sensitive to LH/FSH Ė testicular sensitivity is key.
We sell the Testosterone Recovery Stack which includes Sustain Alpha, Toco-8 and EndoAmp (30 day supply). This is a complete, legal, PCT stack for only $119.99
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- 09-27-2008, 08:54 PM
those are impressive results. I just wish the price tag wasn't so steep.
toco-8 makes me think of taco bell, not sure if it is such a great name for marketing purposes, although i prefer it to those douchebags at Gaspari that named an AI Novedex XT or the dirtbags at Kilosports that call their bastardized product "Clomed."
- 09-28-2008, 01:32 PM
i am REEEEEALLY skeptical.
he was probably suppressed before the cycle began....or using something at the time of the test.
anything clinical/official to support these results?
09-28-2008, 01:55 PM
It was me, no suppression before the test (had never done a cycle beforehand, and those testosterone levels were pretty consistent with what I had for the last 5 years), and not on anything at final test. I did fairly RADICALLY change body comp over the course of the cycle, started at 199 and around 23% bf, ended at 204 (with a mid cycle low of 185) and 17% bf. So around 153lbs lean mass at start, to upper 160s at end of cycle. and looking at it the other way, 46lbs of bodyfat at the start down to 35 lbs at the end. Its enough to significantly change my estrogen levels due to loss of aromatase storage in fat, so it would make sense there would also be positive impact on my long term testosterone levels from that.
09-28-2008, 03:41 PM
09-28-2008, 06:38 PM
09-28-2008, 06:47 PM
09-28-2008, 06:57 PM
My Personal Opnion:
You should prod. do 'sponsored' logs on here to let the jury decide if ur products work. Instead of this "out-of-nowhere" Thread and Radio interviews on your website??
People want to see proven results, results with merrit.
Not some out of left field post about someone 'ghost' 40yr old who all of a sudden magically appears at the first sight of someone question the results.
Not saying your products aren't good...personally never heard of ya.
But there are better ways to market and get a buzz going about your products.
Like honest logs, and reports.
Not this thread.
All comments and beliefs and opinions sponsored by Steve "LiveWire" Lattimer.
09-28-2008, 07:02 PM
Anybody with any knowledge knows this is bulltish.
Of course fooling teenagers is easy to do , but in no way are these bush league over the counter serms going to raise a 40 year old plus males testosterone levels like that.
He's a rep selling the product lol.
Doubts be put to rest give me a break.
09-28-2008, 07:07 PM
Heres the link to the original log if you want to look at it
NWA kicking it old school + new school together with 1-t thp ether + Mega-TRN
09-28-2008, 07:09 PM
09-28-2008, 07:10 PM
09-28-2008, 07:13 PM
anything clinical/official to support these results?[/QUOT
This would be good
09-28-2008, 07:15 PM
09-28-2008, 07:17 PM
09-28-2008, 07:17 PM
Thats exactly how i feel.
Ya, some 18yr old reading this will probably run up the stairs to ask mommy for her credit card.
If it smells like fish, it usually is.
Cmon dunny market better dont try to rob cats.
maybe cause i grew up in NYC...see this crap all my life.
09-28-2008, 07:19 PM
9 weeks of 1-t at 660mg a day, and 3 1/2 weeks of superdrol on top of it at the tail end....
09-28-2008, 07:20 PM
09-28-2008, 07:23 PM
09-28-2008, 07:24 PM
I cant bring anything constructive to this thread, this could go back and forth like a tennis match...my bad for jumping in, stupid.
Congrats Easy, keep up the hard work
09-28-2008, 07:25 PM
This is just like those goofy magazine ads.
What if someone who is 20yrs old with high levels already uses taco-bell, is his test gonna be in the 1800's? Hell who needs steriods just by the otc supplement! lol
Sorry to rain on your all'ss parade but you both obviously work for the company and are throwing out lies trying to rip ppl off.
Have realistic gains, not crazy off the wall ones.
I'll get off my TRT and run some, give me a free sample then! Nah not even worth being shutdown lol
09-28-2008, 07:27 PM
09-28-2008, 07:29 PM
i've got a cycle coming up soon, and will be using the sustain in-cycle protocol to limit suppression as its going to be somehwere between a 6-10 weeker, and i'll have a bottle of sustain and a tin of toco-8 for PCT, and i'll be paying for them out of my own pocket.
09-28-2008, 07:35 PM
09-28-2008, 07:38 PM
- 5'10" 215 lbs.
- Join Date
- Jan 2006
Given the clinical literature surrounding Res., I feel Easy's results expound its benefits. Further, I believe PP is currently conducting further anecdotal trials to validate the efficacy of said compounds in this exact application. Personally, I find nothing outlandish, ridiculous, or erroneous about the claims being made here.
PP said 'X product raised Y hormone levels after Z amount of days', then posted a blood test which corroborates with that; why do you find this so morally reprehensible?
09-28-2008, 07:44 PM
Mullet even verbally abused me midcycle due to it being too early for me to use things like 1-t and superdrol, I had only been seriously lifting a year at the time.
You're not going to do the same on my upcoming cycle are you?
09-28-2008, 07:49 PM
Because this is just non-sense and anyone swept up in these lies needs to take a step back and use their brain.
I could understand if he was lets say , in his 20's with low testosterone due to running aas , and then post cycle tried this product witch along with his body regulating on it's own combined with the potential that this product actually works , that in fact he would see a substantial increase in his Blood work. This is mainly do to the fact at his age his natty test is already high , he just brought it back to were it was.
Now, this man is in his 40's. He has no past history of any aas cycles or pro-hormone use. His Testosterone is lower than the normal recommended 'healthy range'. It does not matter if he ran , Aromasin/letro/Adex/Clomid/or nolva he would not bring his normally natural levels to a constant high like the blood test shows.
I know many TRT/HRT patients & Doctors. They would laugh If I even mentioned this to them.
I'm not saying this product does not work. I'm saying these claims are quite frankly ridiculous.
I could see it benefiting someone post Pro-hormone/steroid cycle in helping restore there ALREADY HIGH NATURAL LEVELS, that were surpressed or shutdown whatever the case may be.
But to say a man in his 40's had this increase is garbage. The only way he would have this increase while taking this product was if there was trace amounts of actual synthetic testosterone that entered his body.
09-28-2008, 07:52 PM
09-28-2008, 07:53 PM
09-28-2008, 07:58 PM
Well if you all believe this than fine!
Throw away all your Serms & AI's as well as steroids!
If you can get your natty levels to improve as much as this guy, why would you want to take the risk of shutting them down??
Obviously I'm arguing to the wrong bunch of ppl , who are reps of the product along with the website. Just read their sigs and under their names lol........
I won't comment on your premadona new product that will give you a 11 inch johnson aswell as 20'' arms.
09-28-2008, 07:59 PM
I dont see anyone making a claim of "anyone can double their testosterone levels post cycle", but this is good evidence that there should be no problem on sustain + toco-8 returning your test levels to your pre-cycle levels, whatever they were.
09-28-2008, 08:07 PM
Congrats on the change man!
Good to see you changed your life so much for the better.
Keep on doing what your doing because I bet you feel 10x better now!
How is your liver values & cholesterol? Do you also get that checked?
Because of your past combined with your oral aas intake you should be aware of those.
At your age it would be much healthier to stay away from all oral aas and to switch to injections if you continue to cycle. Levels don't level out as fast as they do for younger users.
Many docs I know are fine with the use of aas, as long as no oral aas are used.
09-28-2008, 08:18 PM
Haven't gotten liver values checked still, but cholesterol is sticking in the 170s total not sure of ratio, I get tested with blood donations, but given the level of healthy fats I take in between flax, fish and nut oils, i'm confident the ratios are good. I use SAMe fairly regularly now (damn stuff is expensive), and had used cycle support while on cycle, so i'm moderately comfy my liver didn't take too bad a beating. Early 2007 when I stopped drinking (I think the blood test was taken while I was still drinking) my levels were inside normal range.
Well, I say quit drinking, i'm not a 100% teetotaler now, but hmm in the last 6 months i've probably had under 12 drinks. a beer here, a margarita there, that sort of thing.
Comically tho, i'm not longer a TRT candidate, and I got somewhat upset about it (if you read the log, you'll see) as part of my plan had been to get on and use that as my muscle gainer because i'm a blood donor and believe strongly in that, I can't use a needle for something not prescribed by a doctor. So i'm sort of SOL on using any non-oral AAS, unless I go transdermal. And given that i'm married with 3 kids, that is quite iffy too. next cycle is going to be a non-methyl cycle tho, using AMS products. was originally going to do a halodrol cycle, but I made a sweet deal for some AMS stuff by chance, so i'm going that route instead.
09-28-2008, 08:37 PM
- 6'4" 260 lbs.
- Join Date
- Aug 2006
Are you saying you can't do TRT because you post cycle bloodwork? I would get another test if I was you. If it was in the 200's pre cycle without previous cycling it will eventually dip back there imo. The PCT is temporary and not a correction for what is causing the low T. I am on TRT so feel free to PM me about the **** you have to go through. I pay $5 for pins and Test-C I inject myself also. The doc did not care as long as your insurance will allow you to get it prescribed as some don't. I took many months of bloodwork, MRI, etc but if you are truelly low like me it's worth it.
09-28-2008, 08:43 PM
09-28-2008, 09:07 PM
Are you near MST's HQ? maybe I can fly in to see your doctor
09-28-2008, 10:17 PM
I have seen easy post plenty, can say I trust his posts and his credibility, and think he knows plenty more than you about what he is doing and talking about.
You sir are an enraged mole rat that was raped by a badger and are now taking it out on others...
congrats an such amazing results easy, I hope they stick like that for ya.
09-29-2008, 08:22 AM
Dont let my short to the point cander mislead you, there is a brain here, somewhere. didadeee!!
Easy is a great member around here, has contributed alot of time and effort into making AM a better community for all. Can you say the same for yourself?
Good day imPERFECTION.
09-29-2008, 09:08 AM
perfection300 has only been a member here since septemeber 2008, and it says he's 4' 11" and 272lbs. He does not know the integrity of the members here. Primordial performance has come out with the best non hormonal products that i have ever seen.
I personally have used sustain alpha and my libido is through the roof after being so so ever since a cycle of epi/pp i ran a year ago. test the product for yourself before bashing it. No you will not gain much muscle from sustain alpha(if any) but as for boosting your test, LH, FSH, it works great.
09-29-2008, 12:50 PM
I just ran a PS cycle that will conclude on thursday this week. If you would like to sponsor it, I would be happen to put up a log here. I'm hoping to have blood work done this week to provide a starting point. I'm doing this anyway but was planning to use Tamox. at 20mg/ed. with a 6oxo taper at the end. Please let me know
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