Before & after blood tests from a superdrol cycle
- 09-27-2008, 08:04 PM
Before & after blood tests from a superdrol cycle
Id like to share some blood test results from a Sustain Alpha PCT.
The 40 yr old male had chronically low testosterone. He had his hormone values checked on 12/9/07 prior to running an 8 week 1-T THP ether / Superdrol cycle. His levels where at 289ng/dl.
For PCT I instructed him to use Sustain Alpha with Toco-8. He didnít expect to get his T levels past 300ng/dl since he had had low T level for so long. After the cycle, he ran the PCT for 30 days, then got his hormones values tested 30 days after PCT.
After PCT, his results came back with the highest levels of Testosterone he had in years --782 ng/dl. You will also notice a reduction in LH/FSH. This shows that his testes where sensitized to the effects of the LH/FSH and where able to make more testosterone with less stimulation. Toco-8 helps make the testes more sensitive to LH/FSH Ė testicular sensitivity is key.
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- 09-27-2008, 09:54 PM
those are impressive results. I just wish the price tag wasn't so steep.
toco-8 makes me think of taco bell, not sure if it is such a great name for marketing purposes, although i prefer it to those douchebags at Gaspari that named an AI Novedex XT or the dirtbags at Kilosports that call their bastardized product "Clomed."
- 09-28-2008, 02:32 PM
i am REEEEEALLY skeptical.
he was probably suppressed before the cycle began....or using something at the time of the test.
anything clinical/official to support these results?
09-28-2008, 02:55 PM
It was me, no suppression before the test (had never done a cycle beforehand, and those testosterone levels were pretty consistent with what I had for the last 5 years), and not on anything at final test. I did fairly RADICALLY change body comp over the course of the cycle, started at 199 and around 23% bf, ended at 204 (with a mid cycle low of 185) and 17% bf. So around 153lbs lean mass at start, to upper 160s at end of cycle. and looking at it the other way, 46lbs of bodyfat at the start down to 35 lbs at the end. Its enough to significantly change my estrogen levels due to loss of aromatase storage in fat, so it would make sense there would also be positive impact on my long term testosterone levels from that.
09-28-2008, 04:41 PM
09-28-2008, 07:38 PM
09-28-2008, 07:47 PM
09-28-2008, 07:57 PM
My Personal Opnion:
You should prod. do 'sponsored' logs on here to let the jury decide if ur products work. Instead of this "out-of-nowhere" Thread and Radio interviews on your website??
People want to see proven results, results with merrit.
Not some out of left field post about someone 'ghost' 40yr old who all of a sudden magically appears at the first sight of someone question the results.
Not saying your products aren't good...personally never heard of ya.
But there are better ways to market and get a buzz going about your products.
Like honest logs, and reports.
Not this thread.
All comments and beliefs and opinions sponsored by Steve "LiveWire" Lattimer.
09-28-2008, 08:02 PM
Anybody with any knowledge knows this is bulltish.
Of course fooling teenagers is easy to do , but in no way are these bush league over the counter serms going to raise a 40 year old plus males testosterone levels like that.
He's a rep selling the product lol.
Doubts be put to rest give me a break.
09-28-2008, 08:07 PM
Heres the link to the original log if you want to look at it
NWA kicking it old school + new school together with 1-t thp ether + Mega-TRN
09-28-2008, 08:09 PM
09-28-2008, 08:10 PM
09-28-2008, 08:13 PM
09-28-2008, 08:15 PM
09-28-2008, 08:17 PM
09-28-2008, 08:17 PM
Thats exactly how i feel.
Ya, some 18yr old reading this will probably run up the stairs to ask mommy for her credit card.
If it smells like fish, it usually is.
Cmon dunny market better dont try to rob cats.
maybe cause i grew up in NYC...see this crap all my life.
09-28-2008, 08:19 PM
9 weeks of 1-t at 660mg a day, and 3 1/2 weeks of superdrol on top of it at the tail end....
09-28-2008, 08:20 PM
09-28-2008, 08:23 PM
09-28-2008, 08:24 PM
I cant bring anything constructive to this thread, this could go back and forth like a tennis match...my bad for jumping in, stupid.
Congrats Easy, keep up the hard work
09-28-2008, 08:25 PM
This is just like those goofy magazine ads.
What if someone who is 20yrs old with high levels already uses taco-bell, is his test gonna be in the 1800's? Hell who needs steriods just by the otc supplement! lol
Sorry to rain on your all'ss parade but you both obviously work for the company and are throwing out lies trying to rip ppl off.
Have realistic gains, not crazy off the wall ones.
I'll get off my TRT and run some, give me a free sample then! Nah not even worth being shutdown lol
09-28-2008, 08:27 PM
09-28-2008, 08:29 PM
i've got a cycle coming up soon, and will be using the sustain in-cycle protocol to limit suppression as its going to be somehwere between a 6-10 weeker, and i'll have a bottle of sustain and a tin of toco-8 for PCT, and i'll be paying for them out of my own pocket.
09-28-2008, 08:35 PM
09-28-2008, 08:38 PM
Given the clinical literature surrounding Res., I feel Easy's results expound its benefits. Further, I believe PP is currently conducting further anecdotal trials to validate the efficacy of said compounds in this exact application. Personally, I find nothing outlandish, ridiculous, or erroneous about the claims being made here.
PP said 'X product raised Y hormone levels after Z amount of days', then posted a blood test which corroborates with that; why do you find this so morally reprehensible?
09-28-2008, 08:44 PM
Mullet even verbally abused me midcycle due to it being too early for me to use things like 1-t and superdrol, I had only been seriously lifting a year at the time.
You're not going to do the same on my upcoming cycle are you?
09-28-2008, 08:49 PM
Because this is just non-sense and anyone swept up in these lies needs to take a step back and use their brain.
I could understand if he was lets say , in his 20's with low testosterone due to running aas , and then post cycle tried this product witch along with his body regulating on it's own combined with the potential that this product actually works , that in fact he would see a substantial increase in his Blood work. This is mainly do to the fact at his age his natty test is already high , he just brought it back to were it was.
Now, this man is in his 40's. He has no past history of any aas cycles or pro-hormone use. His Testosterone is lower than the normal recommended 'healthy range'. It does not matter if he ran , Aromasin/letro/Adex/Clomid/or nolva he would not bring his normally natural levels to a constant high like the blood test shows.
I know many TRT/HRT patients & Doctors. They would laugh If I even mentioned this to them.
I'm not saying this product does not work. I'm saying these claims are quite frankly ridiculous.
I could see it benefiting someone post Pro-hormone/steroid cycle in helping restore there ALREADY HIGH NATURAL LEVELS, that were surpressed or shutdown whatever the case may be.
But to say a man in his 40's had this increase is garbage. The only way he would have this increase while taking this product was if there was trace amounts of actual synthetic testosterone that entered his body.
09-28-2008, 08:52 PM
09-28-2008, 08:53 PM
09-28-2008, 08:58 PM
Well if you all believe this than fine!
Throw away all your Serms & AI's as well as steroids!
If you can get your natty levels to improve as much as this guy, why would you want to take the risk of shutting them down??
Obviously I'm arguing to the wrong bunch of ppl , who are reps of the product along with the website. Just read their sigs and under their names lol........
I won't comment on your premadona new product that will give you a 11 inch johnson aswell as 20'' arms.
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