Why do you need higher dose of test when you run deca?
- 09-11-2008, 09:18 PM
Why do you need higher dose of test when you run deca?
In another thread of myne a fellow board member posted
"Test is usually run at a 2:1 ratio to Deca. Why? Deca will suppress HPTA as bad as any other drug. Your libido will go to zilch. The test has to be there for it's androgenic effects. Running the doses you are makes no sense and IMO is asking for trouble. If you don't want to run test because of hair loss, I would look into something else other than deca. Maybe EQ. But there again, you want test as a base. You want test in every cycle IM"
Now I now this is gospel, every forum Ive ever been on has said, test must be dosed higher then deca.
But the reasoning given above doesnt make sense to me, heres why I think so.
The body only produces something like 7mg a day of test? (if wrong correct me) so that's 49mg a week of test.
So it doesnt matter if you running 200mg of deca, or 1000mg of deca a week. Your body will most likely be suppressed 100% on either dose.
Now if you add 100mg of test a week, you will still have MORE test than what your body normally produces hence your libido will still be fine. The deca doesnt suppress this test thats being injecting so why does it matter if your running a low dose of test with a high dose of deca?
Im running 500mg of deca and only 100mg of test, as the sides I have gotten from a test cycle 500mg week were really bad, bad acne and hair loss.
So thats why im running my cycle this way, just enough test to keep my body functioning and using deca as the main AAS to promotoe muscle growth.
Many people think this is very wrong, if its true can someone please explain to me why.
(please dont say you wont put on mass with a deca cycle as I had a friend who just completed a deca only cycle who put on 10 kgs (22lbs) yes he was suppressed hence why im throwing in the low test)
- 09-11-2008, 09:40 PM
i would atleast use test 250mg/week. also make sure u run the test 2 weeks longer than the deca
- 09-11-2008, 10:03 PM
in that case tren and deca would be a nice combo,
im gunna pin tren and EQ for 8 weeks (march probably)..... no test base
09-11-2008, 10:06 PM
09-11-2008, 10:08 PM
if you are willing to run tren, there is ne reason not to have test in there, if you think the side from test are to much don't use tren. we produce 13-17mg of natural test a day. in test e we absorb 75mgs out of 100 injected. you do the math. I have also ran 250mgs of sus for 8 weeks with no pct just tribulus and zma and i was fine.
09-11-2008, 10:48 PM
09-12-2008, 12:23 AM
09-12-2008, 12:25 AM
09-12-2008, 11:26 AM
why run the test 2 weeks longer than decca? my buddy is about to start a 10 week cycle at 500mg test e and 400mg decca per week. the was planning to take those doses all 10 weeks.... please explain.
09-12-2008, 06:00 PM
09-12-2008, 06:28 PM
09-12-2008, 07:38 PM
Still no one has commented about why test should be run higher, does anyone see a problem and have a valid reason for why someone shouldnt run a minimum dose of test say 100mg or 200mg with 500mg of deca.
09-12-2008, 07:54 PM
Toward the end of my last cycle I ended up bumping deca up higher than sust and got great results. Don't buy into that crap that test always needs to be higher. If you body can handle the substance then you act accordingly.
09-12-2008, 08:02 PM
there is no problem, but deca shuts you down hard, if you don't have hcg i wouldn't go near the stuff. other than that it is a very good product.
09-12-2008, 10:13 PM
if u plan to run test/deca the same length....use HCG
if u plan to run a low dose of test and high dose of deca...use HCG
the main reason for test being run longer is because deca stays in your body a lot longer than test
09-12-2008, 10:46 PM
Mate deca and dianabol only cycle has been a claasic for years and that has no test in it. There was a actual study done on deca and it showed that just pinning 100mg per week shut down your natural test production. Once it shut down you cant get any worse.... Just do it :P~
09-12-2008, 11:41 PM
note. if you want to reduce bloat run the deca 2 weeks longer than the test you will be more cut up but no libido till pct
09-12-2008, 11:48 PM
09-13-2008, 05:25 AM
09-13-2008, 05:31 AM
09-13-2008, 05:36 AM
now to the OP and Q on why more test than deca...
imo you can run more deca if
1. you have no sex life and really dont care about it
2. you still have libido with more deca than test.
If the deca doesnt effect your libido then by all means but for the majority of males youll want more test as it can aromatize to estrogen which helps with healthy libido.
Honestly if you dont care about sex or just cant get any ***** then i think you can run more versatile cycles.. you dont have to worry about libido cuz fck it you dont have a sex life anyway! Limp d1ck FTW!!!!! haha
09-13-2008, 12:44 PM
the same thing with EQ its a short acting drug with long acting metabolites, which is why they take soo long to clear from your system, deca taking one of the longest.
goof rule of thumb, if you do test and deca
test 12 weeks
deca 10 weeks
1 week after last shot start your hCG with an AI
09-14-2008, 01:05 AM
Yeah im running the test 2 weeks longer.
It doesnt matter if i was running 10grams of deca a week, cuz im also taking 200mg a week of test, so my libidio will still be higher than what it would be natural. Hence why I dont understand why people say you need higher test then deca for your boys to work fine.
All you need to do is be injecting at least the same amount of test your body produces normally, anyways update on my progress.
Had the 3rd shot today, so been on this cycle for 2 weeks, also took some epistane but off it now. Have put on 7lbs already and added weight to my lifts all round.
Obviously alot is water but I waiting for about 5th weeks to see how things really progress.
Anyways I have one problem, I have no HCG, i am trying my hardest to get some but very doubtfull. I have clomid/arimidex/nolvadex but will start up another thread on this topic as im a bit worried about my PCT.
09-14-2008, 04:39 AM
when you orgasm you release alot of prolactin this makes you not want to go again. Well...deca increases the same thing so hence the libido loss from it. If you ran 10g a week of deca ill guarantee you wont have libido and no chance of getting it up.
09-14-2008, 04:45 AM
well there you go, thanks pistonpump, finally someone actually answered my question.
But then how does more test counteract this extra prolactin being produced?
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