Whats another Havoc question really
- 09-10-2008, 10:09 PM
Whats another Havoc question really
Just began my Havoc cycle today! Everything is in line including Pct.
previous cycles: halodrol 50/winztrol x2, Trenadrol, Bold/Epistane/h-drol/winadrol
Doing a clean bulk, wouldn't mind shedding a few from the soft spots but anyway...my original plan was to run Havoc 20/30/30/40. Then i reconsidered it and 20/20/40/40 appeals a bit more, just so that i have 2 weeks at 40. however what about going for 6 weeks instead of 4?
The reason i'm asking is because afeter searching on the forums Havoc users report seeing effects rather quickly, a few stated that they continued to see gains even a few weeks after and into pct!, as opposed to say h-drol which takes the better part of 3 weeks.
Anyone think 4 weeks with one or the other dosage schemes (20/30/30/40 or 20/20/40/40) is enough lemme know, and please explain why this or that dosage scheme. And if anybody thinks 6 weeks of Havoc would be better please explain why and how it would be dosed.
Note* I have 2 bottles of Havoc and i don't really want to be left with a 1/3 or a bottle after doing a 6 weeker. I'd like to save the other bottle for another cycle. But if somebody thinks it's worth it please explain.
I appreciate all the responces and hopefully i can get over being such a neurotic nancy! oh my...anyway all inputs appreciated guys.
- 09-11-2008, 11:54 AM
Havoc can be run for 6 weeks. You say you have your pct in line what is the setup? What are you running for supports?
- 09-11-2008, 01:52 PM
Yeah, remember it is an oral methylated steriod, and you need liver protection, along with a good plan for restoring natural test levels after your cycle is over.
09-11-2008, 02:41 PM
I am running Epistane for 6 weeks which basically uses the 2 bottle. I started wth a ramp up to 40mg week 1/40/40/40/50/50. So far, so good and I am into week 3 of my cycle.
09-11-2008, 08:39 PM
09-11-2008, 10:27 PM
09-11-2008, 10:41 PM
Having run a havoc cycle for just under 6 weeks i'd recommend that you don't run the cycle for longer than 4 weeks.
From my experience weeks 4-6 are when the more unbearable sides begin to show, lethargy and affected mood. Coupled with the fact epi is quite harsh on the liver, I believe you are only un-necessarily stressing your body by running the compound for longer.
Lastly, the elevated mood (positive) that epi induces also disappears between weeks 4-6, it really isn't worth it running the compound for a couple of extra weeks in order to gain a few extra pounds.
In terms of dosing, I would also recommend that you don't go above 30mg, I ran epi at 40mg for a couple of weeks and noticed no added benefits, save the other bottle for another cycle.
09-12-2008, 09:11 AM
09-12-2008, 10:53 AM
09-13-2008, 03:19 PM
thanks for the input everyone. 4 weeks. 4 Days in and i swear i can feel a little of the effects. Stamina's gone up as far as reps. And my body feels much hotter...yea! i felt my body heat thru the sleave of my shirt yestarday at work, like a humid wind blowing from inside my shirt.
Another question if anyone's got any tricks to fix this. My appetite is my worst enemy. I'm eating, and will continue to eat enough, more than enough for this cycle. But sometimes a fat kid at heart can only help but get carried away. any experiances with appetite suppressing supps or methods lemme know.
Otherwise thanx for all the advice everyone.
09-14-2008, 01:47 AM
09-14-2008, 02:19 AM
IMO you should try and keep you diet as clean as possible, from my experience if you eat large amounts of calories you will gain size, but all of it won't be quality. If I use epi again I will run a low carb diet that obtains most calories from proteins and fats.
I wouldn't use the dosing schedule you are planning on running, If I was going to max out at 40mg in the last week I would dose 20/30/40/40, but as I said there is no point running it at 40mg, better off running at 30/30/30/30.
libido shouldn't be an issue with a 4 week cycle, water retention will be a problem though.
09-14-2008, 04:54 AM
09-14-2008, 09:39 AM
I found epi to be an interesting product but decided it wasn't suited to my body, my biggest complaint about the product is the water retention, I'm wondering how you are coping in this area?
09-14-2008, 11:49 AM
I can see your point and agree that 30mg can be a good dose if someone is really concerned about sides, but I guess I've been lucky in that regard.
09-14-2008, 08:39 PM
09-15-2008, 01:10 AM
i've done well with keeping most of my strength gains as well. For pct i'll be running torem, milk thistle, post cycle tabs, lean xtreme, creatine, and of course continuing my bcaas, protein, multi, and fish oil. After the end of the 4th wk of pct I will use some transdermal form for about 2 weeks. Seems to work so far.
09-15-2008, 02:15 AM
09-15-2008, 02:36 AM
09-18-2008, 10:46 PM
09-19-2008, 09:15 AM
I have been adding the poor mans ECA stack to help with hunger and burning off a few calories.
It consists of CVS or walmart brand Psuedophedrine, store brand Asprin and caffine pills. It seems to help out pretty good and definately provides a good stim affect and curbs appitite some. Be careful on the blood pressure though while "on" cycle with the ECA stack.
09-19-2008, 11:39 AM