[Primordial Perf]

AM members,

I’m very excited to share some new information with you.

New research is suggesting that 7,8-benzoflavone is capable of reversing the negative feedback loop at the hypothalamus via modulation of the GABA/opioid receptor complex.

In other words, 7,8 Benzoflavone could potentially be used to stimulate LH & FSH during a steroid cycle and prevent shutdown of the HPTA. For those that aren’t familiar with 7,8-benzoflavone, it is a natural occurring flavonoid from passionflower, and is the main ingredient in Sustain Alpha.

So how do we intend to prove this?

Glad you asked. You see, if LH & FSH rise after using Sustain Alpha during a cycle, then we know that it is preventing suppression of the HPTA and stimulating the testes in a way similar to hCG. If this is proves to be true, this could replace the need for on-cycle hCG, and prevent testicular shrinkage. (assuming its used early enough in the cycle)

So, here is the plan…

1. Get on cycle.
2. Test for LH & FSH after two weeks of being “on”.
3. Apply 10 pumps of Sustain Alpha, for 2 days.
4. Retest LH & FSH levels.

Ideally, the first blood test will reveal non-existent LH & FSH levels. Then, after the Sustain is used for 48hrs, we are hoping the tests will reveal “normal” levels of LH & FSH. (thus proving that Sustain Alpha can stimulate natural Testosterone production, even during a cycle)

Luckily, there are home blood test kits available that can test LH & FSH levels with a pin prick. (All you do is send the samples back to a 3rd party lab, and results show up in 1-2 weeks)

Now, we figured that you guys would want to see some blood test results from actual members…

So, Primordial Performance has elected to supply blood testing kits for several prominent members of the forum. All we ask is that you post up the following stats in this thread –

Age
Current [or soon to be] cycle (including all AAS, ancillaries, and doses)
Past cycles (including all AAS, ancillaries, and doses)
Any hormonal blood work

If you are chosen, we will supply you with (2) ZRT blood test kits that will test for LH & FSH levels. In order to prove your dedication to the testing, we simply ask that you purchase (1) Sustain Alpha to use for the trial.

So let’s have it! Post your stats, questions, comments, and criticism!

-Pp

[glg]

What are your thoughts as far as someone who is post cycle or in an extended TRT program. Do you anticipate it will restore the LH & FSH levels and testicular size in this environment?

[Primordial Perf]

Originally Posted by glg

What are your thoughts as far as someone who is post cycle or in an extended TRT program. Do you anticipate it will restore the LH & FSH levels and testicular size in this environment?

It depends.

For this to work you will need fresh and sensitive leydig cells... which means you would have to begin the Sustain within 2-3 weeks of starting a cycle for the LH & FSH release to have a sufficient impact on testicular stimulation and testosterone production.

Someone who has been chronically suppressed or who has been on an HRT regimen for months or years, would likely need the blunt force of actual hCG to awaken and stimulate the testes.

-Pp

[Prometherion]

Wow, this is really cool.

I might have to hit this up.

[Trauma1]

Hell, i'd be game to try it out for myself in the near future eric. I'm not completely convinced(the negative feedback loop is a very tricky and complex mechanism), but i'm always optimistic overall. The glass is half full!

I really like your drive, dedication, and formulary of your products my friend. GREAT opportunity here for all involved!

[Highlanda01602]

Glad to see you pursuing this Eric... very interesting stuff. Bump for additional views!

[xtgear]

Originally Posted by Primordial Perf

It depends.

For this to work you will need fresh and sensitive leydig cells... which means you would have to begin the Sustain within 2-3 weeks of starting a cycle for the LH & FSH release to have a sufficient impact on testicular stimulation and testosterone production.

Someone who has been chronically suppressed or who has been on an HRT regimen for months or years, would likely need the blunt force of actual hCG to awaken and stimulate the testes.

-Pp

and if we start on day 1 of cycle

[Steveoph]

Very interesting! This could be quite pivotal if true.

Might the FSH/LH levels take longer than 48 hours to return to pre-cycle levels (I don't have too much technical knowledge about FSH/LH production/response time)?

[gibbob2]

week 1: Havoc 20mg ED
week 2: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 70mg ED
week 3: Havoc 30mg ED / Anavar 80mg ED
week 4: Havoc 30mg ED / Anavar 90mg ED
week 5: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 90mg ED
week 6: Anavar 100mg ED
week 7: Avavar 100mg ED
week 8: Clomid 100mg ED / Nolva 30mg ED
week 9: Clomid 75mg ED / Nolva 20mg ED
week 10: Clomid 50mg ED / Nolva 20mg ED
week 11: Nolva 10mg ED

do I qualify. I am on week one.. day two specifically

[Primordial Perf]

Originally Posted by Steveoph

Very interesting! This could be quite pivotal if true.

Might the FSH/LH levels take longer than 48 hours to return to pre-cycle levels (I don't have too much technical knowledge about FSH/LH production/response time)?

Even if LH/FSH levels returned to 50% of pre-cycle levels this would be incredible.

But, we aren’t actually testing pre-cycle levels. We will be testing “on” cycle levels without the Sustain, and then testing levels with Sustain to gauge the improvement.

LH/FSH acts like a reservoir in a dam – As soon as you “unblock” the suppression, LH/FSH levels spill out.

-Pp

[Primordial Perf]

Originally Posted by gibbob2

week 1: Havoc 20mg ED
week 2: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 70mg ED
week 3: Havoc 30mg ED / Anavar 80mg ED
week 4: Havoc 30mg ED / Anavar 90mg ED
week 5: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 90mg ED
week 6: Anavar 100mg ED
week 7: Avavar 100mg ED
week 8: Clomid 100mg ED / Nolva 30mg ED
week 9: Clomid 75mg ED / Nolva 20mg ED
week 10: Clomid 50mg ED / Nolva 20mg ED
week 11: Nolva 10mg ED

do I qualify. I am on week one.. day two specifically

Perhaps.... can you post any other cycle history or blood work?

-Pp

[gibbob2]

ya, the last cycle I did I actually relied completely on your test recovery stack (toco, endo sustain) and nolva for post cycle therapy. It was logged right here on am. WATCH ME GROW....or die trying

blood work will be done after post cycle therapy this time around, (specifically 7 days after to ensure everything back to normal)

[Steveoph]

Originally Posted by Primordial Perf

Even if LH/FSH levels returned to 50% of pre-cycle levels this would be incredible.

But, we aren’t actually testing pre-cycle levels. We will be testing “on” cycle levels without the Sustain, and then testing levels with Sustain to gauge the improvement.

LH/FSH acts like a reservoir in a dam – As soon as you “unblock” the suppression, LH/FSH levels spill out.

-Pp

Got it. I guess while on, FSH/LH go right down to 0, so any FSH/LH presence would be an indication of the benzoflavone's activity.

By pre-cycle, I meant back to their levels they have normally to compare what Sustain restores the FSH/LH to, but I guess in most cases we woulnd't know what that was without taking another blood-test pre-cycle.


And gibbob, just read through your log, and "EPI and HAVOC ONLY!" although anavar is weak

[Primordial Perf]

Originally Posted by gibbob2

ya, the last cycle I did I actually relied completely on your test recovery stack (toco, endo sustain) and nolva for post cycle therapy. It was logged right here on am. WATCH ME GROW....or die trying

blood work will be done after post cycle therapy this time around, (specifically 7 days after to ensure everything back to normal)

I took a glance, but didnt see any blood test results. Could you post em up?

-Pp