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  1. Quote Originally Posted by scw538 View Post
    Please name the receivers better than DEZ. And yes that was a catch !!
    Antonio brown
    Odell Beckham
    Julio Jones
    Nuk
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  2. Odell beck ham are you serious one circus catch does not make you a great recv. JJ is good but not great like DEZ. Antonio is good but they just throw him the ball every pass DEZ is always double covered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scw538 View Post
    Odell beck ham are you serious one circus catch does not make you a great recv. JJ is good but not great like DEZ. Antonio is good but they just throw him the ball every pass DEZ is always double covered.
    OBJ has more than one great catch. He is constantly double or triple covered. He is the offense. Look at the Giants with obj and vs the Vikings last year.

    Antonio brown is an animal. He is miles above Dez. If you can't see that you are way too biased to admit when someone is better and that is one of the reasons cowboy fans are so annoying.
    Brown and OBJ have footwork and release out of this league. OBJ has catching ability that exceeds Dez. Dez has size and physicality on both, sure. But it's not 1980 anymore.

    Julio is not great? Rofl so Dez is the only great receiver in the league? Give me a break..... Come back with a real argument besides "I'm a cowboy fan and I like Dez so Dez is good." And FWIW, I went to high school with Dez. I played with him. I know first hand how good he is. that doesn't mean he's the best. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody View Post
    Peyton played with HOF WR, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark.
    Look at BOTH those players without Peyton (btw, if you're in an argument about him, at least spell his name aorrectly). Yes, Wayne was significantly older without him but he was pretty horrible after Peyton left. Dallas Clark...LOL...what has he done since leaving the colts..? Thats funny.

    Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    Sure the defense for pats has been way better but colts have had a fantastic run game
    Fantastic run game? What the hell are you talking about?

    Colt's NFL rushing ranks during his career with them (in terms of yds/g):
    1998 - 26/30
    1999 - 19/31
    2000 - 16/32
    2001 - 7/32
    2002 - 26/32
    2003 - 19/32 (Peyton's 1st MVP)
    2004 - 15/32 (2nd MVP)
    2005 - 16/32
    2006 - 18/32 (won superbowl)
    2007- 18/32
    2008 - 31/32 (3rd MVP)
    2009 - 32/32 (4th mvp and colts made it to the SB)
    2010 - 29/32
    2011 - 26/32

    Man...what a FANTASTIC running game...
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by jswain34 View Post
    Look at BOTH those players without Peyton (btw, if you're in an argument about him, at least spell his name right). Yes, Wayne was significantly older without him but he was pretty horrible after Peyton left. And Dallas Clark...LOL...what has he done since leaving the colts..? Thats funny.

    ...
    I spelled Peyton the same way you did which is the correct way.

    The HOF receiver isn't Reggie Wayne lol. It's Marvin Harrison............

    Also, what Clark was like 107 when he left the Colts. So that's a moot point. Chad Johnson sucked on the Patriots so does that mean he's not a good WR? Silly contention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody View Post
    I spelled Peyton the same way you did which is the correct way.

    The HOF receiver isn't Reggie Wayne lol. It's Marvin Harrison............

    Also, what Clark was like 107 when he left the Colts. So that's a moot point. Chad Johnson sucked on the Patriots so does that mean he's not a good WR? Silly contention.
    On the spelling one, that wasnt directed toward you. My apologies.

    Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    Yep! Payton has played with some very very good players.

    Anything ill give Payton is, he was WAY WAY more athletic of a QB, obviously not the pastly few years.
    I know you were talking about Marvin, but you also mentioned Wayne. I made no mention of Marvin because i agree, he was awesome.

    And in terms of Dallas Clark, I still disagree. He was good...but i personally think that was because of Peyton. Peyton has made nearly all of his tight ends look like pro bowlers.

    Edit: Julius Thomas, Dallas Clark, and Jacob Tamme are all examples.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by scw538 View Post
    Odell beck ham are you serious one circus catch does not make you a great recv. JJ is good but not great like DEZ. Antonio is good but they just throw him the ball every pass DEZ is always double covered.
    I'm almost positive OBJ has the most receiving touchdowns and/or yards for a player in their first two seasons. And he missed 6 games or so in his rookie year due to injury.

    Edit - good read - Odell Beckham Jr. is off to one of the hottest starts in NFL history - Stats & Info- ESPN
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by jswain34 View Post
    On the spelling one, that one wasnt directed toward you. My apologies.



    I know you were talking about Marvin, but you also mentioned Wayne. I made no mention of Marvin because i agree, he was awesome.

    And in terms of Dallas Clark, I still disagree. He was good...but i personally think that was because of Peyton. Peyton has made nearly all of his tight ends look like pro bowlers.

    Edit: Julius Thomas, Dallas Clark, and Jacob Tamme are all examples.
    Tamme is an unknown because of concussions. He showed flashes without Peyton, though. But he'd spend more time with PCS than not.

    Thomas is on a stacked roster at Jacksonville. Should be fun to watch if he's healthy.
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  9. If you had to pick one today as your #1 recv. Who would you take ? You know my answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scw538 View Post
    If you had to pick one today as your #1 recv. Who would you take ? You know my answer.
    Brown/OBJ/JJ. Depending on what offense we ran and what complimentary players we had. D. Thomas is an option too. Hopkins too
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  11. Please do forget Murray had 392 carries in 2014 for 1845 yards. Dez lead league in recv. TDs. 8th in yds. Did obj and brown have another player taking touches like that. Please speak with data anything else is BS.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by scw538 View Post
    Please do forget Murray had 392 carries in 2014 for 1845 yards. Dez lead league in recv. TDs. 8th in yds. Did obj and brown have another player taking touches like that. Please speak with data anything else is BS.
    Oh. So you mean Murray ran behind the best OL in the league and made safeties play under and prepare for Murray so it left Dez on single coverage often while OBJ/AB are consistently double or triple covered and still make plays?
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  13. The Giants will blow this year. But I still think it is a possible split for giants fans. The boys should win east by 3.5 games easy.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by scw538 View Post
    Please do forget Murray had 392 carries in 2014 for 1845 yards. Dez lead league in recv. TDs. 8th in yds. Did obj and brown have another player taking touches like that. Please speak with data anything else is BS.
    You kidding mean brown has the best running back in the league on the same team as him. Bell is averaging 4.9 yards a carry with william as a back up averaging 4.2. And it not that there o-line is good, actually they are quite bad. Also brown as another star receiver on the same team called martavis bryant. Honestly steelers have one of the best offense in the league but their D is sh!t.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    You kidding mean brown has the best running back in the league on the same team as him. Bell is averaging 4.9 yards a carry with william as a back up averaging 4.2. And it not that there o-line is good, actually they are quite bad. Also brown as another star receiver on the same team called martavis bryant. Honestly steelers have one of the best offense in the league but their D is sh!t.
    Also lets not forget brown is projected to be #1 in fantasy football. First time a wide reciever has been #1 in almost 15 years. Its always a running back

  16. Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    You kidding mean brown has the best running back in the league on the same team as him. Bell is averaging 4.9 yards a carry with william as a back up averaging 4.2. And it not that there o-line is good, actually they are quite bad. Also brown as another star receiver on the same team called martavis bryant. Honestly steelers have one of the best offense in the league but their D is sh!t.
    Martavis is not a star not even close.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by scw538 View Post
    Martavis is not a star not even close.
    Agreed, not yet anyway. Def a chance he could be within the next 2-3 yrs.
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    Can't wait for the season to start. Usc and bama play in Jerry world next month. DFW will be full of rammer jammers and tan snobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by RugbyBaller91 View Post

    I have already penciled in only one loss in the division the away at NY. Cousins is garbage and everyone on the Eagles is a joke including their owner. So glad you paid that money to Norman now he has to face DEZ twice a year !! Good luck with that. Big D is back
    Dez has lost a step looks that way last year besides him not having a "qb" dude still played like chit and my guess is by week 7 romo will be out again with the same injury from the same hit BRUH!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by scw538 View Post
    The Giants will blow this year. But I still think it is a possible split for giants fans. The boys should win east by 3.5 games easy.
    Really? And what do you have to support that? Besides bias?

    The Cowboys get Romo back, that helps. And Elliot, that helps too. But Dez seems to be hampered by injuries. Romo is questionable. The defense was awful to begin with and now... Two starting DE out for four games. Starting MLB out for ten. No CB help. The team lacks depth and lacks starters.

    The Giants, on the other hand, added Sterling Shepherd who, although you will naturally say otherwise, has a full route tree, good footwork, and good hands. That should take some pressure off OBJ, especially if Cruz and/or Paul Perkins are serviceable. Giants also added a DE, 2 CB, FS, MLB, and the best run stuffing DT. Plus depth. And, JPP will have a glove and should be able to tackle or at least wrap up instead of generating pressure and clubbing the QB.

    The Giants vastly improved. The Cowboys get Romo back and that's it. They did next to nothing to improve their roster while the entire division improved. But somehow, the return of Romo is going to lead with the Cowboys running away with the division? Lol
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by scw538 View Post
    Martavis is not a star not even close.
    Shouldnt have used the word star. But he is upper middle for a reciever

  22. Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    Shouldnt have used the word star. But he is upper middle for a reciever
    He was the best compliment to that team. Huge size and physicality. Unfortunately, a year ban may spell the end of him.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Woody View Post
    He was the best compliment to that team. Huge size and physicality. Unfortunately, a year ban may spell the end of him.
    Ya thats what im worried about to.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by jswain34 View Post
    Agreed, not yet anyway. Def a chance he could be within the next 2-3 yrs.
    I dunno, J. I think he'll be out of the league by then. I'd say similar probability between star and out of the league. Slight probability he's just mediocre for awhile. Brown is the head honcho, no question. But Bryant is the big play guy. I don't think he's a star either. That comes from publicity and consistency over time and whatever else sportscenter uses to make that choice. But he is the bigger threat than even Brown.

    Also, I'm really inspired by Jerry Jones' loyalty to Romo when the guy has spent so many years being a fantasy hero without ever actually winning an important game. Really amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scw538 View Post
    Please do forget Murray had 392 carries in 2014 for 1845 yards. Dez lead league in recv. TDs. 8th in yds. Did obj and brown have another player taking touches like that. Please speak with data anything else is BS.
    That is 2014
    this is 2016 bud.

    Lets look at how successful they have been:
    2015 4-12-0 4th -- NFC East
    2014 12-4-0 1st -- NFC East
    2013 8-8-0 2nd -- NFC East
    2012 8-8-0 3rd -- NFC East

    Mostly going 8-8
    Jones pays their players out the ass, and they just like to start drama and cause headaches.

    Dez is a great receiver, but he does not win games himself, nor did his injury help him either. There is a lot more to football then a great wide receiver.
    Where is Murray now? Basically sitting the bench.
    Maybe you should focus on getting an established defense so Romo does not have to put up 30-40 points a game to try and win a game.

    Even in fantasy his numbers were middle of the road for an average:

    2010~ 11
    2011~ 14
    2013 ~ 16
    2014 ~ 17
    2015 ~ 8

    At the end of the day Dallas has not had a hot streak in the playoffs or the postseason. Something has to change.
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