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  1. I think the decline in boxing is because everything is a PPV now or you have to have HBO or Showtime to watch the more known fighters. I love boxing but neither channel is close to being worth price to watch a good fight once or twice a month. As I mentioned in 80s and earlier you got the best fighters in the world fighting on network TV for free. ESPN only showcases up and commers with an ocassional semi big name.

    With the UFC they have a PPV every month and or free shows sometimes. So its a bit easier to follow the UFC. Most people call MMA, Ultimate Fighting.


  2. With MMA around there will never be a Tyson and without heavyweights like Tyson boxing will slowly fall honestly. It is a shame but frankly you have a better career in MMA. With boxing you lose once and you're done practically except for those select few.
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  3. Can anyone name an MMA fight that was as entertaining as Pacman's last two fights?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by primetime74 View Post
    I think the decline in boxing is because everything is a PPV now or you have to have HBO or Showtime to watch the more known fighters. I love boxing but neither channel is close to being worth price to watch a good fight once or twice a month. As I mentioned in 80s and earlier you got the best fighters in the world fighting on network TV for free. ESPN only showcases up and commers with an ocassional semi big name.

    With the UFC they have a PPV every month and or free shows sometimes. So its a bit easier to follow the UFC. Most people call MMA, Ultimate Fighting.
    You hit the nail on the head. MMA reaches more households, because boxing requires the purchase of "premium" subscriptions in order to watch the matches. What is the average cost of a boxing ppv vs an MMA ppv? Based on that scale, it doesn't require much common sense to determine which generates more money. Additionally, MMA has a PPV event basically every month, boxing offers 2-3 max a year.

    As previously stated, boxing has a long standing tradition, boasting athletes who have gone on to become national icons, such as Muhammad Ali. MMA has a long way to go before it steeps itself in that kind of tradition. Its most popular attraction was a guy who use to jump off a turnbuckle against guys named "The Undertaker", and then tried out for every sport short of badminton before he found one that actually stuck. Pac's last two fights generated more money for him in a year, than most MMA fighters will see in a career. MMA is popular "now", let's see how that holds up years from now, then you can draw a proper comparison, until then boxing by TKO.

    Since the UFC is privately held and does not release revenue reports, then who knows how much they are actually generating? I've heard numbers that are all over the place.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    You hit the nail on the head. MMA reaches more households, because boxing requires the purchase of "premium" subscriptions in order to watch the matches. What is the average cost of a boxing ppv vs an MMA ppv? Based on that scale, it doesn't require much common sense to determine which generates more money. Additionally, MMA has a PPV event basically every month, boxing offers 2-3 max a year.

    As previously stated, boxing has a long standing tradition, boasting athletes who have gone on to become national icons, such as Muhammad Ali. MMA has a long way to go before it steeps itself in that kind of tradition. Its most popular attraction was a guy who use to jump off a turnbuckle against guys named "The Undertaker", and then tried out for every sport short of badminton before he found one that actually stuck. Pac's last two fights generated more money for him in a year, than most MMA fighters will see in a career. MMA is popular "now", let's see how that holds up years from now, then you can draw a proper comparison, until then boxing by TKO.

    Since the UFC is privately held and does not release revenue reports, then who knows how much they are actually generating? I've heard numbers that are all over the place.


    Mayweather vs marquez generated 1 mill pp buys, it takes 5 ufc fights to generate that. MMA will never be a sport until Dana White steps down. MMA fighters are fast food fighters; it takes a year to build a pro mma fighter instead of the ten years it takes to build a pro boxer

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Motox View Post
    Mayweather vs marquez generated 1 mill pp buys, it takes 5 ufc fights to generate that. MMA will never be a sport until Dana White steps down. MMA fighters are fast food fighters; it takes a year to build a pro mma fighter instead of the ten years it takes to build a pro boxer
    I just don't see how a proper comparison can be made between two distinctly different sports, with entirely different business models. I don't pretend to understand MMA and have no issue admitting that. To my eyes it looks like something you see at a bar at around 2am, with some frat guys suffering from aggression issues, while simultaneusly enjoying the feeling of rolling shirtless or in affliction t-shirt together, but hey that's just me. I'm kidding of course! I think MMA offers exciting packaging and it's marketed well to young kids, for that I give Dana credit.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Motox View Post
    Mayweather vs marquez generated 1 mill pp buys, it takes 5 ufc fights to generate that. MMA will never be a sport until Dana White steps down. MMA fighters are fast food fighters; it takes a year to build a pro mma fighter instead of the ten years it takes to build a pro boxer
    I just don't see how a proper comparison can be made between two distinctly different sports, with entirely different business models. I don't pretend to understand MMA and have no issue admitting that. To my eyes it looks like something you see at a bar at around 2am, with some frat guys suffering from aggression issues, while simultaneously enjoying the feeling of rolling around shirtless or in an affliction t-shirt together, but hey that's just me. I'm kidding of course! I think MMA offers exciting packaging and it's marketed well to young kids, for that I give Dana credit.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    I just don't see how a proper comparison can be made between two distinctly different sports, with entirely different business models. I don't pretend to understand MMA and have no issue admitting that. To my eyes it looks like something you see at a bar at around 2am, with some frat guys suffering from aggression issues, while simultaneously enjoying the feeling of rolling around shirtless or in an affliction t-shirt together, but hey that's just me. I'm kidding of course! I think MMA offers exciting packaging and it's marketed well to young kids, for that I give Dana credit.
    To ramble on unabated about something you know so little about is truly impressive, sir!

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    To ramble on unabated about something you know so little about is truly impressive, sir!
    Or conversely, someone who consistently attempts to intellectualize trivial topics is also quite impressive in their own right.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Motox View Post
    Can anyone name an MMA fight that was as entertaining as Pacman's last two fights?
    Hmmm, let's see...

    Swanson/Semrzier
    Jung/Garcia
    Akiyama/Leben
    Homonick/Jabouin

    And that's all this year and off the top of my head.


    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    You hit the nail on the head. MMA reaches more households, because boxing requires the purchase of "premium" subscriptions in order to watch the matches. What is the average cost of a boxing ppv vs an MMA ppv? Based on that scale, it doesn't require much common sense to determine which generates more money. Additionally, MMA has a PPV event basically every month, boxing offers 2-3 max a year.

    As previously stated, boxing has a long standing tradition, boasting athletes who have gone on to become national icons, such as Muhammad Ali. MMA has a long way to go before it steeps itself in that kind of tradition. Its most popular attraction was a guy who use to jump off a turnbuckle against guys named "The Undertaker", and then tried out for every sport short of badminton before he found one that actually stuck. Pac's last two fights generated more money for him in a year, than most MMA fighters will see in a career. MMA is popular "now", let's see how that holds up years from now, then you can draw a proper comparison, until then boxing by TKO.

    Since the UFC is privately held and does not release revenue reports, then who knows how much they are actually generating? I've heard numbers that are all over the place.
    A boxing PPV is actually more expensive than a UFC PPV. I guess every ignorant boxing fan always loves to use Lesnar as their example to de-legitimize MMA, but they always agnore Lesnar's 15 years of wrestling experience and the fact he won a D1 National Championship.

    I hate to break it to people, but wrestling is amongst the oldest martial arts out there and is a significant part of MMA.

    Quote Originally Posted by Motox View Post
    Mayweather vs marquez generated 1 mill pp buys, it takes 5 ufc fights to generate that. MMA will never be a sport until Dana White steps down. MMA fighters are fast food fighters; it takes a year to build a pro mma fighter instead of the ten years it takes to build a pro boxer
    Please, do some research before spouting off about buy-rates of PPV.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

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  11. Lesnar was the number one PPV draw in the UFC. The most recent PPV numbers substantiate that, however, since the UFC is a privately held company, we aren't privy to the actual numbers. I was simply offering some perspective on how Lesnar was marketed. I saw some individuals taking a swipe at boxing, and clearly they don't understand the sport, much in the same way I admit to not fully understanding MMA. I've attended live events with respect to both sports. Again - both sports offer something unique. UFC does in fact hold the record for PPV, however, that doesn't tell the whole story relative to revenue.

    http://www.mmanewsleak.com/mma-busin...he-numbers/292

  12. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Or conversely, someone who consistently attempts to intellectualize trivial topics is also quite impressive in their own right.
    Exactly! I wonder who would do such a thing?

    Fair point, however, boxers are brought along slowly to maximize their potential, more so than to simply pad their records. As an example, Fernando Vargas was thrown into the lion's den after having only 20 pro bouts to his name, against the likes of Felix Tito Trinidad; and consequently was never the same after that. If he were given the chance to mature both mentally and physically, presumably he could have gone down as one of the best fighters of his generation, based solely on his talent level. Boxers have a short lifespan to maximize both their potential and their pocket books.

    I agree that MMA is more popular in certain areas of the world, however, if you have one of their countryman fighting for a title in boxing, it will capture their imagination and the entire country, much like Manny Pac has. More over he doesn't speak English, yet was still granted an SI cover, and was a first seat guest on Leno, Letterman and Kimmel. Some of the biggest fights in boxing history were fought internationally, in places like Manila and Zaire. Everyone has heard of the "Thrilla in Manila", not so sure everyone has heard about "Lesnar/Couture". History speaks to my general point.

    I think MMA has it's place. To argue that it's more popular than boxing, would need to be argued in context, given that it's only been given a mainstream outlet in the past few years. It would need another 20 to justify that argument while steeping itself in tradition, much like Muhammad Ali, Tyson and Leonard among many others have come to define boxing and become A-List celebrities outside of their respective sport.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Exactly! I wonder who would do such a thing?
    In that vein perhaps we should perhaps both raise our hands. =)

  14. pacman is the only savior boxing has right now. without him... fight fans will slowly transfer over to mma. the love of the science of boxing keeps boxing fans loyal...but thats because they understand boxing...mma is new, and the knowledge is growing daily, so as the fans become more educated the the faster it grows..

  15. I have seen this discussion so many times and do not really get it.It is like saying which is better (american) football or rugby.Two totally different sports (which has already been stated).I like most sports and most combat sports. I do not get why people who prefer boxing have to say anything other than that they prefer boxing.I don't know that I have ever heard someone who prefered mma to boxing attack boxing until mma was first attacked.

    Anyone can talk about technique but the fact is perfect technique will change on where and how to hold your hands if you are strictly boxing or if you have to worry about someone shooting on you.And shooting technique and how you set it up will change if you have to deal with the possibility of being guillotined.

    And the class thing, really? Ask someone who likes tennis how classy they think boxing is.Not to mention did not one of the best boxers in the heavy weight division bite someones ear off in the ring.

  16. Boxing hands down.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    I can't wait to see Randy Couture beat James Toney, then no one can say boxing guys can beat MMA guys...and I would love to see Mayweather fight the guys he has with 4 oz gloves.
    James toney! Ha! He's been bottom rank for years yet he still mops the floor with any top ufc fighters in a boxing match! A boxer has better chances in mma than any mma fighters in boxing even with b class competition.nuff said.

  18. I've done both on an amateur level, so if Im watching I'd prefer MMA, if I'm particpating I'll take boxing....less likely to get my ass kicked, literally

  19. Both. MMA & Boxing. But I can't stand to watch sloppy fighting [not that I'm any good]. Gotta love them quick left hooks & uppercuts. Fav. fighters: Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Mike Tyson, Pacquiao, GSP, Anderson Silva, Quinton Jackson

  20. this arguement could wage on for years

  21. Quote Originally Posted by chuck66 View Post
    also second question who is your favorite fighter from UFC or Boxing
    One of my favorite fighters of UFC is Brock Lesnar...!!
    Roger..

  22. mike tysin would knockout anybody in the ufc.
    brock lesnars fat ass cant bob and weave
    shut up and squat!!!

  23. Mike Tyson couldn't stop a takedown either.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  24. This debate will rage on forever lol.

  25. It's apples and oranges. The only reason this debate even exists is money: I have yet to hear a great debate regarding Boxing v K-1.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  26. Quote Originally Posted by BigKoolWhip View Post
    mike tysin would knockout anybody in the ufc.
    brock lesnars fat ass cant bob and weave
    Maybe. But here is the real question: do you think mike tysin could knockout Mike Tyson?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    It's apples and oranges.
    Agreed! To say that one is better than the other I believe is why MMA was begun. It was an arena for fighters of all disciplines to come together and compare. It became a melding of disciplines that were proven to work best most often. To go into a debate about would a boxer stand a chance in an MMA fight is foolish. The MMA fighter has too many avenues of attack/ deffense and counter attack. Same with putting say a guy who only knows wrestling in against an MMA fighter. Same thing, wrestler loses because of lack of training in other areas. Not to say there aren't exceptions to this out there but you get my point. To compare conditioning is also foolish. Sure there are guys that slack off on conditioning in hopes of getting a quick win. For the most part, conditioning is the main thing for pretty much all "real" sports out there! Begin practice with conditioning, work on skills, drills, more conditioning while going through the drills and then at the end of practice/ training -- yep you guessed Vit more conditioning! You can't tell me that flipping a big tractor tire over and over isn't good conditioning. Spending long periods working the bags too. Any top athlete in any sport is going to spend countless hours on conditioning or they won't stay at the top long at all. To the guy that said wrestling doesn't take much conditioning, how much energy do you think it takes to physically dominate another man of the same size for several minutes!? It is very key!! There is a tremendous amount of energy required to match strength with another man and try to block his attempts to get the best of you all the while trying to get the best of him. I think that is one of the oldest forms of training. Today they call it resistance training. You might try it some time, it can be more difficult than it looks!
    "But as for you, be strong and do not give up, for your work will be rewarded."

  28. Ufc is more fun to watch most of the time but to tell u the truth sometimes it just feels a bit gay. I know that sounds ignorant but when theyre just on the ground in holds for most of the match it just feels plain gay. I think boxing takes a little more discipline to train for though
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by Turnitup122 View Post
    Ufc is more fun to watch most of the time but to tell u the truth sometimes it just feels a bit gay. I know that sounds ignorant but when theyre just on the ground in holds for most of the match it just feels plain gay. I think boxing takes a little more discipline to train for though
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