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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck66 View Post
    also second question who is your favorite fighter from UFC or Boxing
    One of my favorite fighters of UFC is Brock Lesnar...!!
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    mike tysin would knockout anybody in the ufc.
    brock lesnars fat ass cant bob and weave
    shut up and squat!!!
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    Mike Tyson couldn't stop a takedown either.
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    This debate will rage on forever lol.
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    It's apples and oranges. The only reason this debate even exists is money: I have yet to hear a great debate regarding Boxing v K-1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigKoolWhip View Post
    mike tysin would knockout anybody in the ufc.
    brock lesnars fat ass cant bob and weave
    Maybe. But here is the real question: do you think mike tysin could knockout Mike Tyson?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    It's apples and oranges.
    Agreed! To say that one is better than the other I believe is why MMA was begun. It was an arena for fighters of all disciplines to come together and compare. It became a melding of disciplines that were proven to work best most often. To go into a debate about would a boxer stand a chance in an MMA fight is foolish. The MMA fighter has too many avenues of attack/ deffense and counter attack. Same with putting say a guy who only knows wrestling in against an MMA fighter. Same thing, wrestler loses because of lack of training in other areas. Not to say there aren't exceptions to this out there but you get my point. To compare conditioning is also foolish. Sure there are guys that slack off on conditioning in hopes of getting a quick win. For the most part, conditioning is the main thing for pretty much all "real" sports out there! Begin practice with conditioning, work on skills, drills, more conditioning while going through the drills and then at the end of practice/ training -- yep you guessed Vit more conditioning! You can't tell me that flipping a big tractor tire over and over isn't good conditioning. Spending long periods working the bags too. Any top athlete in any sport is going to spend countless hours on conditioning or they won't stay at the top long at all. To the guy that said wrestling doesn't take much conditioning, how much energy do you think it takes to physically dominate another man of the same size for several minutes!? It is very key!! There is a tremendous amount of energy required to match strength with another man and try to block his attempts to get the best of you all the while trying to get the best of him. I think that is one of the oldest forms of training. Today they call it resistance training. You might try it some time, it can be more difficult than it looks!
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    Ufc is more fun to watch most of the time but to tell u the truth sometimes it just feels a bit gay. I know that sounds ignorant but when theyre just on the ground in holds for most of the match it just feels plain gay. I think boxing takes a little more discipline to train for though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turnitup122 View Post
    Ufc is more fun to watch most of the time but to tell u the truth sometimes it just feels a bit gay. I know that sounds ignorant but when theyre just on the ground in holds for most of the match it just feels plain gay. I think boxing takes a little more discipline to train for though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turnitup122 View Post
    Ufc is more fun to watch most of the time but to tell u the truth sometimes it just feels a bit gay. I know that sounds ignorant but when theyre just on the ground in holds for most of the match it just feels plain gay. I think boxing takes a little more discipline to train for though
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    Ufc's on spike right now . Why the frig do they have that gay ass wwe fake wrestling **** on spike now??? God I hate that crap
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    Just one of the many reasons why I love boxing.... http://abcnews.go.com/US/dewey-bozel...ry?id=14747101
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    And the Dawson/Hopkins "fight" was one of the reasons it's in the ****ter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    And the Dawson/Hopkins "fight" was one of the reasons it's in the ****ter.
    Interesting. I kinda figured it would be right up your alley, since one guy was rolling around on the ground.
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    n.Boxing.When I watch MMA,I see very few people with any true fighting skills,just a bunch of homos who want to wrestle with each oyher.Personally.I never wanted to have that much contact with a man,especially one that is only partially clothed.
    Also,there is no honor in MMA.The way I was raised,you never hit a man when he is down.
    As far as favorite fighters go list in order: Alexis Arguello(RIP) Sugar Ray Leonard Thomas"Hitman"Hearns and "Marvelous"Marvin Hagler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conagher View Post
    n.Boxing.When I watch MMA,I see very few people with any true fighting skills,just a bunch of homos who want to wrestle with each oyher.Personally.I never wanted to have that much contact with a man,especially one that is only partially clothed.
    Also,there is no honor in MMA.The way I was raised,you never hit a man when he is down.
    As far as favorite fighters go list in order: Alexis Arguello(RIP) Sugar Ray Leonard Thomas"Hitman"Hearns and "Marvelous"Marvin Hagler.
    Alexis Arguello was a beast. I'm not much of a Floyd Mayweather fan, but he has a quote regarding how the MMA brand was built, who it's marketed towards and why. I like some of the Brazilian fighters though, as they tend be more athletic and versatile, but the ground stuff bores the crap out of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Alexis Arguello was a beast. I'm not much of a Floyd Mayweather fan, but he has a quote regarding how the MMA brand was built, who it's marketed towards and why. I like some of the Brazilian fighters though, as they tend be more athletic and versatile, but the ground stuff bores the crap out of me.
    Yes he was.As ferocious as he was in the ring,they say he was every bit a gentle man outside of.Agreed on the ground stuff.I will watch some MMA until the guys take it to the ground,and then I am done with it.

    Then you have the Affliction crowd with all the UFC apparel.These people annoy the hell out of me.I found out a long time ago if a person has to advertise they are tough,then they aren`t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conagher View Post
    Yes he was.As ferocious as he was in the ring,they say he was every bit a gentle man outside of.Agreed on the ground stuff.I will watch some MMA until the guys take it to the ground,and then I am done with it.

    Then you have the Affliction crowd with all the UFC apparel.These people annoy the hell out of me.I found out a long time ago if a person has to advertise they are tough,then they aren`t.

    Oh c'mon! You mean you're not into dudes who rock a size "smedium" tap out T, with a ton of bedazzler on it? You should see my Halloween costume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conagher View Post
    n.Boxing.When I watch MMA,I see very few people with any true fighting skills,just a bunch of homos who want to wrestle with each oyher.Personally.I never wanted to have that much contact with a man,especially one that is only partially clothed.
    Also,there is no honor in MMA.The way I was raised,you never hit a man when he is down.
    As far as favorite fighters go list in order: Alexis Arguello(RIP) Sugar Ray Leonard Thomas"Hitman"Hearns and "Marvelous"Marvin Hagler.
    Totally. Dudes touching each other is so gay, makes me uncomfortable as well - which, by the way, is a totally normal, heterosexual response to watching an athletic event involving two men.

    Personally, I prefer watching two men wearing knee-high latex boots and satin boxer shorts repeatedly hug one another. (Particularly, I love it when they have masculine nicknames like, "Sugar," "Marvelous," "Pretty Boy," "Winky," and "Golden Boy.") I mean, come on, the only thing more hetero than that is posting on a forum where 90% of the users (such as myself and Southpaw, here) display semi-nude photos of themselves for other men to see. AM I RIGHT!?

    Condescension aside - which you deserve, by the way, for not only coming off as unfortunately uncomfortable with your own sexuality and homophobic, but ignorant as well - these characterizations are trite and silly. I can understand not enjoying the sport from an athletic standpoint, disagreeable as I may find the possible arguments for it, but reducing the argument to, "So gay, bro" makes you come off like a petulant frat boy.

    More than that, it makes both boxing and MMA fans appear as if we are one-dimensional caricatures incapable of appreciating athletics in general. From my perspective, that is untrue: the majority of people with whom I watch MMA also watch boxing, and vice versa. Finally, the 'Affliction bro' is as or more annoying to me than it is to you, mostly because it is an inaccurate and unfair characterization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Totally. Dudes touching each other is so gay, makes me uncomfortable as well - which, by the way, is a totally normal, heterosexual response to watching an athletic event involving two men.

    Personally, I prefer watching two men wearing knee-high latex boots and satin boxer shorts repeatedly hug one another. (Particularly, I love it when they have masculine nicknames like, "Sugar," "Marvelous," "Pretty Boy," "Winky," and "Golden Boy.") I mean, come on, the only thing more hetero than that is posting on a forum where 90% of the users (such as myself and Southpaw, here) display semi-nude photos of themselves for other men to see. AM I RIGHT!?

    Condescension aside - which you deserve, by the way, for not only coming off as unfortunately uncomfortable with your own sexuality and homophobic, but ignorant as well - these characterizations are trite and silly. I can understand not enjoying the sport from an athletic standpoint, disagreeable as I may find the possible arguments for it, but reducing the argument to, "So gay, bro" makes you come off like a petulant frat boy.

    More than that, it makes both boxing and MMA fans appear as if we are one-dimensional caricatures incapable of appreciating athletics in general. From my perspective, that is untrue: the majority of people with whom I watch MMA also watch boxing, and vice versa. Finally, the 'Affliction bro' is as or more annoying to me than it is to you, mostly because it is an inaccurate and unfair characterization.
    Still fighting the good fight?

    Is it that you dislike boxing, or when people take the stance that boxing is great and MMA is awful?
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    I'm only semi-nude from the waist down, according to Google that definitely doesn't qualify as gay.
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    You have one poster who criticized the Hopkins/Dawson fight and rightfully so. But just a few months prior, Hopkins had an amazing performance against a younger stronger foe in Jean Pascal. To me the litmus test will be whether or not MMA is embraced years from now, building up the same type of tradition that boxing has for so many years, whether you like the sport or not. It's all a matter of perception. Pop culture has taken to boxing, in the form of movies like Rocky and Raging Bull which are iconic. You have movies like "Warrior" which domestically has grossed $13,631,942. MMA is fairly young and we shall see if if withstands the test of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    You have one poster who criticized the Hopkins/Dawson fight and rightfully so. But just a few months prior, Hopkins had an amazing performance against a younger stronger foe in Jean Pascal. To me the litmus test will be the whether or not MMA is embraced years from now, building up the same type of tradition that boxing has for so many years, whether you like the sport or not. It's all a matter of perception. Pop culture has taken to boxing, in the form of movies like Rocky and Raging Bull which are iconic. You have movies like "Warrior" which domestically has grossed $13,631,942. MMA is fairly young and we shall see if if withstands the test of time.
    Can I ask why you quoted me when I proposed a question directly to someone else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron View Post
    Can I ask why you quoted me when I proposed a question directly to someone else?
    I meant to take your quote out, but I was responding from phone. My apologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    I meant to take your quote out, but I was responding from phone. My apologies.
    No worries, I get confused easily.

    So are there any gray area in here?
    (I'm not reading through 6 pages)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron View Post
    No worries, I get confused easily.

    So are there any gray area in here?
    (I'm not reading through 6 pages)
    Not really. Both sides of the equation just defending their respective sport. I'm not an MMA fan but I can appreciate some of the Brazilian athletes and their striking ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Totally. Dudes touching each other is so gay, makes me uncomfortable as well - which, by the way, is a totally normal, heterosexual response to watching an athletic event involving two men.

    Personally, I prefer watching two men wearing knee-high latex boots and satin boxer shorts repeatedly hug one another. (Particularly, I love it when they have masculine nicknames like, "Sugar," "Marvelous," "Pretty Boy," "Winky," and "Golden Boy.") I mean, come on, the only thing more hetero than that is posting on a forum where 90% of the users (such as myself and Southpaw, here) display semi-nude photos of themselves for other men to see. AM I RIGHT!?

    Condescension aside - which you deserve, by the way, for not only coming off as unfortunately uncomfortable with your own sexuality and homophobic, but ignorant as well - these characterizations are trite and silly. I can understand not enjoying the sport from an athletic standpoint, disagreeable as I may find the possible arguments for it, but reducing the argument to, "So gay, bro" makes you come off like a petulant frat boy.

    More than that, it makes both boxing and MMA fans appear as if we are one-dimensional caricatures incapable of appreciating athletics in general. From my perspective, that is untrue: the majority of people with whom I watch MMA also watch boxing, and vice versa. Finally, the 'Affliction bro' is as or more annoying to me than it is to you, mostly because it is an inaccurate and unfair characterization.
    I am willing to throw out the homophobic aspect of it,but stand by my observation that their is very few skilled fighters in MMA.Most of the one`s I see are no more than barroom brawlers who want to take it to the ground as soon as they get tagged hard.
    You are a large man and could wear an opponent out just by getting him on the ground and wallowing all over him.Is there any skill in that?No,just a matter of you having size advantage.I also maintain that there is no honor in hitting someone when they are down.This just comes off as being cowardly and emphasizes a certain fear factor and lack of confidence in one`s fighting ability in that they feel like they have to strike their opponent while he is down.

    I will relent to the fact that I do occasionally enjoy a MMA fight when I see two combatants who actually have fighting skills,but they are few and far in between.
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    I think these two started Halloween early.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Not really. Both sides of the equation just defending their respective sport. I'm not an MMA fan but I can appreciate some of the Brazilian athletes and their striking ability.
    Agreed.This is one subject that there is just not much gray area.Most seem to like one and hate the other.I do not know anyone personally who enjoy both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conagher View Post
    I am willing to throw out the homophobic aspect of it,but stand by my observation that their is very few skilled fighters in MMA.Most of the one`s I see are no more than barroom brawlers who want to take it to the ground as soon as they get tagged hard.
    You are a large man and could wear an opponent out just by getting him on the ground and wallowing all over him.Is there any skill in that?No,just a matter of you having size advantage.I also maintain that there is no honor in hitting someone when they are down.This just comes off as being cowardly and emphasizes a certain fear factor and lack of confidence in one`s fighting ability in that they feel like they have to strike their opponent while he is down.

    I will relent to the fact that I do occasionally enjoy a MMA fight when I see two combatants who actually have fighting skills,but they are few and far in between.
    No skill in getting a man to the ground!? Are you freaking kidding me? Wrestling is one of the oldest martial arts in existence and is one of the toughest sports to train. Contrary to your one-track thinking, you are not helpless once you are on the ground and there are many, many fights that are won with the person on his back. "Fighting" is not something that only occurs with two people on the feet.

    Boxing proponents have the same criticism every single time and have since MMA really hit big ~'05. I enjoy them both, but realize that I am watching a different sport while enjoying each of them. I said this a few pages back, but the only reason this whole "debate" exists is money. You cannot say that boxing does not feel partially threatened by MMA in terms of market share. Conversely, there is no great Muay Thai v Boxing arguments because there is not a battle for market share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conagher View Post
    Agreed.This is one subject that there is just not much gray area.Most seem to like one and hate the other.I do not know anyone personally who enjoy both.
    In that case, you have a very vanilla circle of friends. On almost every MMA blog I frequent, and amongst my circle of 'MMA' friends, there is a considerable amount of overlap: these people tend to lament the poorer striking displays in MMA, as you are now, while lauding those fighters (JDS, Mark Hominick, A. Silva) and the like whose striking technique is crisp and clean.

    That said, your position is not all that surprising. I notice this debate crops up far more frequently from 'the boxing side' than it does from the 'MMA side,' which is a sad thing to say.

    Beyond that, and as Rodja mentioned, wrestling is one of the oldest martial arts, and something akin to modern mixed combat (Pankration) was in existence as early as 1500 years ago. The notion that a martial art that old has no skill is painfully ignorant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    In that case, you have a very vanilla circle of friends. On almost every MMA blog I frequent, and amongst my circle of 'MMA' friends, there is a considerable amount of overlap: these people tend to lament the poorer striking displays in MMA, as you are now, while lauding those fighters (JDS, Mark Hominick, A. Silva) and the like whose striking technique is crisp and clean.

    That said, your position is not all that surprising. I notice this debate crops up far more frequently from 'the boxing side' than it does from the 'MMA side,' which is a sad thing to say.

    Beyond that, and as Rodja mentioned, wrestling is one of the oldest martial arts, and something akin to modern mixed combat (Pankration) was in existence as early as 1500 years ago. The notion that a martial art that old has no skill is painfully ignorant.
    There is a lot of merit in well performed grappling techniques,sadly I see very little of it in the few matches I watch.Really,for the most part,that is the central part of my dislike of MMA,I see very little well executed fighting techniques.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    No skill in getting a man to the ground!? Are you freaking kidding me? Wrestling is one of the oldest martial arts in existence and is one of the toughest sports to train. Contrary to your one-track thinking, you are not helpless once you are on the ground and there are many, many fights that are won with the person on his back. "Fighting" is not something that only occurs with two people on the feet.

    Boxing proponents have the same criticism every single time and have since MMA really hit big ~'05. I enjoy them both, but realize that I am watching a different sport while enjoying each of them. I said this a few pages back, but the only reason this whole "debate" exists is money. You cannot say that boxing does not feel partially threatened by MMA in terms of market share. Conversely, there is no great Muay Thai v Boxing arguments because there is not a battle for market share.
    I will agree with you on the part that if a person has some legitimate fighting skills,it is hard to get them on the ground and keep them there.
    I think my biggest problem with MMA is the whole "Affliction" crowd.You have to admit,they give the sport a bad name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conagher View Post
    There is a lot of merit in well performed grappling techniques,sadly I see very little of it in the few matches I watch.Really,for the most part,that is the central part of my dislike of MMA,I see very little well executed fighting techniques.
    Some of the Brazilian guys, especially the lighter weight guys aren't as bad as it relates to striking. Silva is okay and a lot of that is just raw athleticism, but even still he tends to punch "very" wide and telegraphs a lot his punches, albeit from a boxer's perspective.
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    The biggest irony in our whole discussion is that my formal training is in mixed Martial Arts.The only training I had as a boxer came from friends who were trained in boxing.I just always loved the "pureness" of boxing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasTitan
    Boxing hands down. It is the sweet science, and Money Mayweather is a technically perfect fighter and a joy to watch his defense. MMA is for the ADD generation and the wrestling crowd that needs instant gratification and storylines. Using all styles of martial arts/etc just makes for sloppy fighting...and the crowd goes wild.
    I wanna see PAC man beat the crap out of mayweather
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Some of the Brazilian guys, especially the lighter weight guys aren't as bad as it relates to striking. Silva is okay and a lot of that is just raw athleticism, but even still he tends to punch "very" wide and telegraphs a lot his punches, albeit from a boxer's perspective.
    This is one of the main things that jumps out at me about MMA,most of the guys I see fight telegraph their punches from a mile away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conagher View Post
    The biggest irony in our whole discussion is that my formal training is in mixed Martial Arts.The only training I had as a boxer came from friends who were trained in boxing.I just always loved the "pureness" of boxing.
    I grew up around boxing, but I also trained alongside MMA guys at various boxing gyms. I'd be the first to say that I couldn't do what they do in terms of a ground game. But I've also seen them spar against pure boxers, one in particular where a guy weighing a little over 200lbs, was matched up against a kid training in the amateurs. The kid weighed around 147lbs (welter), needless to say the kid won easily (boxers are trained to see punches coming from a mile away). The guy's corner ended up capping the sparring at 3 rounds because he was taking too much punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stopstalking View Post
    I wanna see PAC man beat the crap out of mayweather
    Me too!
  

  
 

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