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  1. time for some food porn

    since I was up insanely early this morning (ran fasted LISS @30min upon rising, followed with fantastic breakfast), decided I wanted an addtl meal in me before I hit the weight training session, instead of just having breakfast as my preWO meal; so, had this little gem:



    6oz chunk light tuna w/ salsa, peppers
    4oz 93% ground turkey w/ 1/2 TBS bbq sauce
    .5c brown rice
    natty PB (.5 TBS) and strawberry preserve (1 TBS) sandwich on 2 slices toasted Ezekiel
    3 plain rice cakes
    895cals, 110/75/15.5



    this followed breakfast, which as mentioned was just wonderful: (no pic)
    2.5 servings steel-cut oats w/ 135g banana+.5 scoop isolate+2/3c almond milk
    5oz 96% lean beef
    1 slice toasted Ezekiel cinnamon raisin bread
    860cals, 120/65/15



    dinner here this evening:



    2 slices toasted wheat bread
    4oz ground turkey breast+2oz ham+2oz white turkey meat+red bell pepper
    covered with 1oz philly cream cheese+1 TBS bbq sauce (loving this bbq sauce, yum)
    1 serving roasted garlic parmesan potatoes
    salad+raspberry merlot dressing+2 slices pineapple
    875cals, 120/70/16


    total cals for day after (early) bedtime shake will be ~4675 -- and, we have broken the 600g carb mark fellas, barely but still..
    macros will be 605/395/75

    been having a hankering for some cream cheese (haven't had this in at least 2yrs) ever since I been eating the bbq sauce...wanted to taste the mix on one of my big meaty sandwiches -- it did not disappoint, was delish

    you can see, so long as you stay within your working cal range, and are using majority clean micros for your sources, you can actually get a lot of play and fit some semi-questionable choices in here & there occasionally


  2. Wish I could eat like that & not gain fat right now!!!

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Wish I could eat like that & not gain fat right now!!!

    Clear your inbox homie.
    cleared
    and, i'm having the opposite problem right now, not growing as quickly as I anticipated/want to


    so, with the above in mind, have made some small adjustments to the dietary course
    in essence, I simply have to increase the fat levels some, being so low is hindering me...idea was to stay lean and fairly dry while I grew, but too little fat in the mix is detrimental to the growth process..i am not necessarily a fan of calculating/planning my meals by macro "splits" ie ratios; rather, I just use ratios as a general guideline to loosely get an idea of how much of a given macronutrient I will want to consume based on cal load
    but now, looking at more of a traditional split to base things off of, I settled on roughly a 50/30/20 course, and the cal load gets some stability as well for a good 1/2 week to a week as we see how this plays out
    so, on off days now (which is today as I take 2 consecutive days off) cals come in ~4500, roughly 560/340/100
    on training days cals will be ~5000, roughly 625/375/110
    4-7 days on this stable plan, we will assess from there

    the obvious advantage right off the top with this bump in fats, is more flexibility (and fun for that matter lol)...it will allow me, if I continue to use lean meats, to get quite a bit more carb sources in play - like more brown rice triscuits @4.5g fat per serving, and my Popped! flavored mini rice cakes (which are roughly same construct as triscuits ie 4.5g fat/21g carbs/130cals per serving)...will also allow me, if I wish to use a fattier cut meat, to eat some ground sirloin (~2.6g fat per ounce) and not-ridiculously-lean steaks




    had this nice meal last night - under those 3 egg whites there is the other half of that Hormel wrap, along with 4oz ground turkey breast, slice of pepperjack cheese, bbq sauce mix, and diced orange bell peppers; and 2 servings beans on the side, 1 serving red bean brown rice triscuits, 2 white cheddar rice cakes, and salad/pineapple
    ~880cals, 110/70/16.5


  4. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    nice solid flooring bro - and sound-proof as hell, I mean you do not even hear traffic outside let alone anything else, pretty tight! it's like a tomb in there, just the way I like it
    as for moving - yeah for sure, actually i'm hiring 2 men & a truck, only will be 4 men so 2 can stay down & load into elevator/keep eye on truck, and 2 can transport up/load into crib..should take no longer than 4hrs all told, from packing up my house to unloading everything
    which is good, cuz rate is $200/hr
    Snag congrats on move. Watch all your furniture 2 men and a truck scratched the sh&& out of a piece of furniture. When I asked them they said I thought you had a cat. I almost killed the dude.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by scw538 View Post

    Snag congrats on move. Watch all your furniture 2 men and a truck scratched the sh&& out of a piece of furniture. When I asked them they said I thought you had a cat. I almost killed the dude.
    Lol. My cat isn't a Lion fuker!
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  6. 1st Today!!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by scw538 View Post
    Snag congrats on move. Watch all your furniture 2 men and a truck scratched the sh&& out of a piece of furniture. When I asked them they said I thought you had a cat. I almost killed the dude.
    LOL not really worried about it my man
    I really need to replace some of my furniture anyway..not the tv or things like that, but couches/entertainment center etc, they been around forever and the couches especially have taken a beating with wear & tear from kids growing up
    in a perfect world, would just throw out these now and buy some new pieces, but I've had a sh1t-ton of expense lately and now is not the time to be spending more $ furniture, when I got stuff that still works just fine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Lol. My cat isn't a Lion fuker!
    i'm thinking of getting rid of my cat too - i'll be traveling some here & there for days at a time, and don't want to have to worry about having someone come in & take care of cat, or boarding him somewhere..plus, fukker is shedding something fierce, I don't want all that hair floating around the new joint either
    making all kinds of lifestyle changes here, hahaa - 42 is a new snags




    speaking of new: I look like a new guy, seriously beefy and filled out this morning....had me a cheaty night last night, got cals up to ~8500 (just to play around and feel it), didn't stay the cleanest (lot of simple sugar/some fats on large portion of the extra cals), really just wanted to see how my anabolic stack would allow the excess to be sucked up, so call it an experimental foray; weight was ~206 upon rising this morning
    backing up that with ~5200 planned cals this day (already made out my menu for rest of day) as i'm staying aggressive with the steady caloric increases - but, we stay clean today and go back to strategic simple carb loads/timings, surrounding training, which was chest this day (and a pretty phenomenally strong session it was, too, wow...skipped abs, but did do 30min LISS upon waking in separate session from chest)
    will be interesting to see the fallout from these cals over the next few days, anticipating it highly

  8. today's eating breakdown
    i'm rounding up or down respectively on protein/carbs, to nearest 5 (ease of use)
    fats are exact per meal


    #1 breakfast
    920cals, 115/60/23

    *preWO shake 235cals, 35/20/1
    *postWO shake 500cals, 70/40/6

    #2 postWO meal
    900cals, 130/65/11.5

    #3 midday shake
    765cals, 75/65/23.5

    #4 dinner 1
    705cals, 80/70/13.5

    #5 dinner 2
    810cals, 100/50/23

    #6 bedtime shake
    430cals, 30/50/10


    TOTALS:
    5165cals, 635/420/111.5




    whew, that's a lot of food

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  10. Those are some massive meals!
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by 1ifeblood View Post
    Those are some massive meals!
    Lol yep three of his meals are my whole daily macros at the moment.... Actually 2.5...

  12. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post


    TOTALS:
    5165cals, 635/420/111.5




    whew, that's a lot of food
    5165 cals!!! I would be hospitalized!

  13. Quote Originally Posted by 1ifeblood View Post
    Those are some massive meals!
    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    Lol yep three of his meals are my whole daily macros at the moment.... Actually 2.5...
    Quote Originally Posted by Nooshefx View Post

    5165 cals!!! I would be hospitalized!


    No offense to anyone (especially snags.. He knows his body better than most people and i'm confident he knows what he's doing)

    But


    Holy sh1t you guys.. It's not THAT much food..
    You guys need to man up and eat more... Especially if you're on cycle. Jeez.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post

    No offense to anyone (especially snags.. He knows his body better than most people and i'm confident he knows what he's doing)

    But

    Holy sh1t you guys.. It's not THAT much food..
    You guys need to man up and eat more... Especially if you're on cycle. Jeez.
    Lol I'm cutting at the moment, that's why I'm on low cals. Your deft right tho snags knows his body better than most!

  15. Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    No offense to anyone (especially snags.. He knows his body better than most people and i'm confident he knows what he's doing)

    But


    Holy sh1t you guys.. It's not THAT much food..
    You guys need to man up and eat more... Especially if you're on cycle. Jeez.
    ahahaaa...well man, these things are always relative of course
    on the overall picture, sure I agree with you, that really isn't all THAT many cals to be eating..
    comparatively speaking tho, when most around here are trying to improve bodycomp or lose weight (so gross excess caloric ingestion is not conducive to this), or when you compare the fact I just came out of bb'ing show prep and was down to ~2200-2300cals there for a minute a very short while ago --- then it DOES look like a lot of food, quite simply

    remember tho: i'm still working on getting to 6kcals, which is still ~20% more food then I am eating here...
    now THAT is getting up there, no matter how you slice it

  16. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    ahahaaa...well man, these things are always relative of course
    on the overall picture, sure I agree with you, that really isn't all THAT many cals to be eating..
    comparatively speaking tho, when most around here are trying to improve bodycomp or lose weight (so gross excess caloric ingestion is not conducive to this), or when you compare the fact I just came out of bb'ing show prep and was down to ~2200-2300cals there for a minute a very short while ago --- then it DOES look like a lot of food, quite simply

    remember tho: i'm still working on getting to 6kcals, which is still ~20% more food then I am eating here...
    now THAT is getting up there, no matter how you slice it
    Not if you slice it 6000 ways. ....
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  17. Still learning about my nutrition and wanted your take on Tdee. Calculating Tdee requires one to use height, weight and activity level. Should the "weight" used be total weight or weight corrected to remove fat content? Also, as lifters, what "activity level" should be used? "Moderate" activity level I think is wrong for me lifting for an hour and then sitting at a desk for 8 hours. Opinion? Snags, do you use this?
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Still learning about my nutrition and wanted your take on Tdee. Calculating Tdee requires one to use height, weight and activity level. Should the "weight" used be total weight or weight corrected to remove fat content? Also, as lifters, what "activity level" should be used? "Moderate" activity level I think is wrong for me lifting for an hour and then sitting at a desk for 8 hours. Opinion? Snags, do you use this?
    My tdee calculations always seem off from real world results
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post

    My tdee calculations always seem off from real world results
    Agree with this^^. If I stick to Tdee I respond with fat gain in the stomach area. Snags, keep or ditch Tdee?
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  20. His opinion is biast being his bmr is naturally higher just from "being snags"
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Agree with this^^. If I stick to Tdee I respond with fat gain in the stomach area. Snags, keep or ditch Tdee?
    yeah I don't use any of those "calculations" for bmr or energy expenditure
    i'm very old-school, and intuitive - track my progress daily based on painstaking recording of all caloric/activity levels in past, so I have a guide that is for me and me alone
    to get going at first yrs ago, I did use generic guideline of 15-20cals/lb of lean bodyweight for gaining (mine came in ~20), and 12-15cals/lb of lean bodyweight for cutting (again mine was personalized ~14 or so)
    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    His opinion is biast being his bmr is naturally higher just from "being snags"
    :-)
    I do have a naturally high bmr, and good metabolism for sure
    lucky, I am - genetically blessed (but NOT a genetic freak, trust me)

  22. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    yeah I don't use any of those "calculations" for bmr or energy expenditure
    i'm very old-school, and intuitive - track my progress daily based on painstaking recording of all caloric/activity levels in past, so I have a guide that is for me and me alone
    to get going at first yrs ago, I did use generic guideline of 15-20cals/lb of lean bodyweight for gaining (mine came in ~20), and 12-15cals/lb of lean bodyweight for cutting (again mine was personalized ~14 or so)
    I second this^^^^^

    Been doing this since my last show based of the my past year or so of eating (and talking with my new coach)

    Calories are a lot lower than in the past. Fat gain is nearly non existent and I'm growing. My TDEE has me about 550 cals more/day than I am currently eating according to most calculators.

    Decent reference point for some, far from accurate IMO.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    ahahaaa...well man, these things are always relative of course
    on the overall picture, sure I agree with you, that really isn't all THAT many cals to be eating..
    comparatively speaking tho, when most around here are trying to improve bodycomp or lose weight (so gross excess caloric ingestion is not conducive to this), or when you compare the fact I just came out of bb'ing show prep and was down to ~2200-2300cals there for a minute a very short while ago --- then it DOES look like a lot of food, quite simply

    remember tho: i'm still working on getting to 6kcals, which is still ~20% more food then I am eating here...
    now THAT is getting up there, no matter how you slice it
    Actually I am very surprised you bumped them up that fast after your show with minimal fat gain.

    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    yeah I don't use any of those "calculations" for bmr or energy expenditure
    i'm very old-school, and intuitive - track my progress daily based on painstaking recording of all caloric/activity levels in past, so I have a guide that is for me and me alone
    to get going at first yrs ago, I did use generic guideline of 15-20cals/lb of lean bodyweight for gaining (mine came in ~20), and 12-15cals/lb of lean bodyweight for cutting (again mine was personalized ~14 or so)
    I do have a naturally high bmr, and good metabolism for sure
    lucky, I am - genetically blessed (but NOT a genetic freak, trust me)
    I'm the same way, although I don't write anything down I know where i'm at for the day and I adjust my macros as needed for weight loss /gain.

    I'd recommend doing that over any kind of calculation.. Once you figure out where you need to be your body will respond well

  24. I really don't feel so bad about how I've been doing it over the last couple years now. I stopped tracking my calories & fats, & even my protein - I know that in off-time as long as I get at least 30g of p over 6-7 meals each day, I'll have enough to recover well/maintain, & I often eat far more than that (often 1.6g/lb of bw) even in off time. Carbs I've been paying much more attention to, but in general, I just listen to my body. If I'm getting fatter, I know no matter what I'm eating too much, too often, or too many carbs (or fat) at the wrong points in the day for me.

    I know that's not remotely what Snags is actually doing here (it's 100x more intricate), but I'm saying that all the calculators in the world can't change what happens in real life, like Ken's finding out. If you're getting fatter or smaller against your will you need to pay attention & be intelligent/reactive.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    Actually I am very surprised you bumped them up that fast after your show with minimal fat gain.
    yeah, was going along just fine....but tbh I really pushed the envelope with that cheaty free-eats window the other night, I mean yeah I filled out and looked like a slab of granite and all, but it wasn't quite as hard as I want to be staying, and I am still bloated here today a bit, and veins are just now starting to come back after going into hiding
    won't be doing anything outside the plan again -- but it was worthwhile to experiment, won't know unless you try it

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    I'm saying that all the calculators in the world can't change what happens in real life, like Ken's finding out. If you're getting fatter or smaller against your will you need to pay attention & be intelligent/reactive.
    BOOM exactly
    intelligent & reactive, not continuing to bang your head against the wall cuz wonderful XYZ formula says this is what you should be doing
    too many just blindly follow such nonsense, simply because they don't know any better, or don't take the time to learn their own body

  26. well..(ahem)..I know I was supposed to stay at same cal range this day, and I was on track - despite swapping a few things out here & there for other options to get some different variety in (got some good amounts of natty pb & almond butters in the mix), they were all apples-to-apples exchanges on cals and macros....and then, as I was preparing dinner #1, I noticed I had couple sweet potatoes I better get to eating soon before they go bad, so decided to toss a 7oz one in with that meal
    bottom line: 200cal increase this day, puts me just shy of 5400 for day
    totals: 5390cals, 685/410/111
    we move along; next up is breaking the 700g carb barrier

    can't wait for tomorrow, plan to bake me up some sweet potato fries - looking forward to that!

  27. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    plan to bake me up some sweet potato fries - looking forward to that!
    You'll hit 700 carbs easy with these made

  28. Eat big, lift big, sleep big?!?!?! Yep

  29. Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    You'll hit 700 carbs easy with these made
    couple small additions to first two feedings of the day here this morning will ensure I get over that amount also, will be over 5500cals for day too when all said and done
    I've adapted really well to the larger meals now - in fact, with the exception of one meal, none of them really fill me up any longer, leaves me hungry still
    the one meal that does fill me up is still a mofo getting thru, I mean I feel bloated to hell afterwards, is my postWO meal: typically i'm having a box of mac & cheese+can of tuna+scoop of isolate for this feeding, or i'll have 2/3 box of mac & cheese and fill in the remaining cals/carbs from another source (like potatoes or something)...note: of course I do not use the margarine/butter they call for on the box, nor do I use the milk; I will use 1/2 TBS of real butter, for either the box or the 2/3 serving I am eating, and just the water on the noodles, and dump the tuna in with it -- this keeps the fat lower (among lowest of any feeding for day) while cals on this meal are the highest or at least among the highest of any feeding for the day

  30. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    couple small additions to first two feedings of the day here this morning will ensure I get over that amount also, will be over 5500cals for day too when all said and done
    I've adapted really well to the larger meals now - in fact, with the exception of one meal, none of them really fill me up any longer, leaves me hungry still
    the one meal that does fill me up is still a mofo getting thru, I mean I feel bloated to hell afterwards, is my postWO meal: typically i'm having a box of mac & cheese+can of tuna+scoop of isolate for this feeding, or i'll have 2/3 box of mac & cheese and fill in the remaining cals/carbs from another source (like potatoes or something)...note: of course I do not use the margarine/butter they call for on the box, nor do I use the milk; I will use 1/2 TBS of real butter, for either the box or the 2/3 serving I am eating, and just the water on the noodles, and dump the tuna in with it -- this keeps the fat lower (among lowest of any feeding for day) while cals on this meal are the highest or at least among the highest of any feeding for the day
    I hear you there. My post workout leaves me feeling rough, although i'm hungry in an hour.

    I too like to mix my carb sources.. For example yesterday I mashed some red skin potatoes and added a cup of rice and stirred it together.
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