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  1. Dorian was pretty amazing however he was one of the last Mr. Olympia's to really impress me with his physique. Even toward the end of his reign aesthetics began to take a far back seat to sheer size and mass. Most of the body builders of today look like caricatures of real bodybuilders. I was extremely pleased when a few years back they stated that the look was changing back to more of an aesthetic look. Enforcing the fact that GH guts were going to be detrimental to a physique and the scores on stage. Some of the guys today actually look freaky yet have an aesthetic quality that I can at least appreciate once again.

    Don't get me wrong I was impressed by what others had achieved after his era but would have never aspired to look like any of them.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Dorian was pretty amazing however he was one of the last Mr. Olympia's to really impress me with his physique. Even toward the end of his reign aesthetics began to take a far back seat to sheer size and mass. Most of the body builders of today look like caricatures of real bodybuilders. I was extremely pleased when a few years back they stated that the look was changing back to more of an aesthetic look. Enforcing the fact that GH guts were going to be detrimental to a physique and the scores on stage. Some of the guys today actually look freaky yet have an aesthetic quality that I can at least appreciate once again.

    Don't get me wrong I was impressed by what others had achieved after his era but would have never aspired to look like any of them.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    tbh - everyone should keep a journal during such a journey..
    not just a training journal, but all things prep ie diet/training/supps/changes noticed as they occur/can even put pics in your own journal at set points, to refer back to last time's progress
    nice to refer back to, and if you are always playing it "by ear" and have a tendency to forget things -- then it is no wonder you cannot learn things and be repetitive in the actions

    journal! ftw
    I keep my diet excercise electronically I just need to be more dillegent about special changes etc...live and learn. I used to have a incredible memory so my coping skills for poor memory are not that good yet. I do keep records though. I should gleen what I can from my previous log and get the highlights and crear an electronic journal of special events like the one I missed.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Alright Doug! I have been preaching the benefits of L-Glutamine for years now. Good to hear you put it to the test and are seeing the benefits.
    Yah I am pretty impressed cuz the way I feel today is one fug of a lot better than monday and today is really a tougher workout over all...

  5. Ah here's what I can do, I can add notes to my daily diet that way everything is one place and easier access. I am going to cross reference that with my previous log as I have all the diet info on fitnesspal. This is going to be good to help me focus, thanks for the idea's.....

  6. E****lent choice, I keep a lot of my stuff in my google docs.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    E****lent choice, I keep a lot of my stuff in my google docs.
    I am going to be on the lookout for something a bit more geared towards journaling though. Microsoft Outlook is better for this I think.

  8. First official weigh in on cut, down 2 more lbs so 201. I had a feeling it wasn't going to be a ton of weight but the quality of this loss is very good and I think tomorrow's pics will back me up on that.

    Nice hammer session againg today, thats it for the warrior with extra volume. I was around 115% on some of my lifts still getting all my reps. I was a fuggin tank!! Pace was awesome too. Thank God for BCAA/SAA's and l-glutamine. I can't remember ever getting the kind of isolation on my muscles as I am right now.

    On to FST-7 again for the next 5 weeks.

  9. Sounds good can't wait to see the pics. Your back normally tightens up really quickly and you abs are nice and large so they show out very fast can't wait to see how everything is coming along.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Sounds good can't wait to see the pics. Your back normally tightens up really quickly and you abs are nice and large so they show out very fast can't wait to see how everything is coming along.
    Me too lol I know I have made good progress... hey I am surgically placing that rear delt destroyer into my FST routine.
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  11. This is interesting about creating ketones through supplementation ...

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  13. Ok I am pretty sure I have leaned quite a bit this week but looking at the pics I am not seeing the visual evidence of the kind of jump I wanted so I am going to take it down to 2500 cals 75 carbs 50 fat. This still leaves me some room for adjustment and the carb meals should do a good job of keeping my metabolism where it needs to be. I need to be looking at my pics and saying bang! there it is!

  14. Ok things moving faster now it seems, I'll show you fuggers New routine this morning FST-7 again 5 days chest done twice. For rear delts I am incorporating the destroyer that Chris eluded to.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Ok I am pretty sure I have leaned quite a bit this week but looking at the pics I am not seeing the visual evidence of the kind of jump I wanted so I am going to take it down to 2500 cals 75 carbs 50 fat. This still leaves me some room for adjustment and the carb meals should do a good job of keeping my metabolism where it needs to be. I need to be looking at my pics and saying bang! there it is!
    Don't look too bad. Nothing a good diet can't fix. See you've added some size

    With your back shot(standing relaxed), I do feel you could pop your lats more....I roll my shoulders back and under before popping them, you seem to pop more to the front(hard to explain what I mean, think you gey the picture)

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  16. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    not seeing the visual evidence of the kind of jump I wanted so I am going to take it down to 2500 cals 75 carbs 50 fat.
    carbs are too low, for the amount of fat consumed
    for education: I have never taken carbs <100g during this whole time, since I have been keeping fats low instead

    when I say "be aggressive" in the diet, it does not mean silly and insufficient levels of things for the simple fact of making changes tomorrow or two days from now..you need to keep the big picture in focus, and realize what is best for the specific current direction of the long marathon you are doing

    get carbs up to 100-125 on your non-carb-up days

    Quote Originally Posted by edje007 View Post
    With your back shot(standing relaxed), I do feel you could pop your lats more....I roll my shoulders back and under before popping them, you seem to pop more to the front(hard to explain what I mean, think you gey the picture)
    actually you explained this just fine bro..absolutely agree

  17. Quote Originally Posted by edje007 View Post
    Don't look too bad. Nothing a good diet can't fix. See you've added some size

    With your back shot(standing relaxed), I do feel you could pop your lats more....I roll my shoulders back and under before popping them, you seem to pop more to the front(hard to explain what I mean, think you gey the picture)

    Lets kill this shyt....DW for master of Canada
    Yah I know what you mean I tend to get pulled forward as my tie in's to my pecs are very tight, I have to a) do more stretching and b) be more conscious of this problem.. I was focused on keeping my hands closer to my body and tried to roll my shoulders back but the way you explained it is making sense. Hey look at your back ... I am listening

  18. Oh boy guys you know this is gonna be great!!

  19. 20 wheel of death last night, that's a record. Incredible body comp changes the last couple days. Very little doms from my leg workout on Monday.

    Here's say 1...

    Front squats 4 X 12
    Leg Press 4 X 12
    Leg extensions 7 X 15 30 seconds rest

    Leg curl 4 X 12
    Stiff legged dead 4 X 12
    Seated leg curl 7 X 15 30 seconds rest

    First time I did this routine I could hardly move the next day, the extra BCAA/SAA's and l-glutamine doing their job.

  20. Murdered Chest and triceps today, extra reps and sets for that matter. Starting out I am at the low end but damn so much power and stamina right now. This starting to look very promising.

  21. Nice work out, congrats on the PR for WOD. Nice to see some aggressive BCC from the FST DW. You love to SSW, and without DOMS is a big plus. Don't forget the importance of doing some HIIT ASAP... TTYL!
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  22. freakin acronym overload..i got a headache now

  23. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    freakin acronym overload..i got a headache now
    Yah I am still decoding

  24. Ok I am feeling great, my diet just seems more balanced with the carbs a bit higher plus the other adjustemnts I have made. Steve you said somenthing quite interesting earlier in the thread. You said "Your carbs are too low for the amount of fats you are eating" Now this suggests we need to keep our carb ratio's in line with the fat intake. If you have the time could you elaborate on that. Not only do I think I would benefit from understanding it more fully but I think all of us would find it interesting. Lets discuss this. A link to a good article would also be sufficient. If anyone else has something to add I'd be interested in hearing what eveyone has to say.

    If I don't learn why then it's hard to remember what sometimes.

  25. sure no worries doug i'll help here, it's rather simple concept - but, i will offer no "articles" to support my stance, for couple reasons (one there are few sources with enough insight to speak in educated manner on this, and two because i simply do not need to i am not the guy who goes around embracing science for my reasoning and needs some "proof of documentation" to support what i am saying; quite honestly science lacks the ability to understand and dissect the processes and function we as bb'ers are trying to accomplish with our bodies, and dietary construction is just another example of this, has long been lacking in any understanding of nutrition)

    said pure & simply: you seem to have this concept that protein is all that is needed to lose weight or make body-comp changes on the level we are speaking..this is not only simply not the case, it also directly hinders these goals over time, and gets cumulatively worse!
    now - there are short periods where, if the nutritional aspect is covered on proper vit/mineral consumption, relatively low amounts of carbs & fats in play simultaneously can eliminate waterweight very quickly; but as far as true fat-loss goes, protein alone is not sufficient for the main reason of what hi-protein is beneficial for anyway, ie boost metabolism via harder to digest for body/nourish muscle tissue..if you try to use all protein all the time, the body chews up so much in digestion to break it down to begin with, working hard in the process (most do not realize the tremendous amount of energy the body exerts in the digestive process), and loses both the ability to target adipose tissue for fat release as well as recuperation due to the protein being used as sustenance rather than muscular repair/growth
    the appropriate amount of carbs or fats in play - and yes one being at least minimally sufficient is mandatory - stop this from happening, and allow proper functioning of both digestive and recuperative properties..try to cut both out or keep them too low, it is simply a matter of time before the body turns to tap muscle tissue for sustenance and nutrition..the body does not give a sh1t about your desire to gain or keep muscle; it is solely concerned with survival, period, and will target muscle stores preferentially over adipose stores simply because it is less strain and effort to do so

    the easy way to look at this is, if fats are low, carbs have to be at least moderate to lowish if using long-term scale of dieting..conversely, fats must be at sufficient level if carbs are going to be very small and almost eliminated..to lower both at same time to unnecessary levels, is recipe for disaster

  26. now doug - do me a favor please..
    try to remember this going forward, and do not forget as you have done some other things in recent past, so that my time here answering it was not wasted and will save me from having to repeat myself at some point down road because you have skewed your understanding of the concept for some reason..


  27. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    now doug - do me a favor please..
    try to remember this going forward, and do not forget as you have done some other things in recent past, so that my time here answering it was not wasted and will save me from having to repeat myself at some point down road because you have skewed your understanding of the concept for some reason..

    I log it in a journal entry in outlook now. I take my whole log and journal all the pertinent information that way I have a printable journal any time I want and I can just pull up a calander hit a date and see what I was up to then. Training diet and other information. Takes some time sot set up but some of it is just cut and paste. I knew I was forgetting stuff so something had to be done. This never would have happened a few years ago as I had a good memory up untill my early fifties. It kinda sucks cuz I have to change the way I do things and old fuggers don't like change much. I am forced to develop some good habits though.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    sure no worries doug i'll help here, it's rather simple concept - but, i will offer no "articles" to support my stance, for couple reasons (one there are few sources with enough insight to speak in educated manner on this, and two because i simply do not need to i am not the guy who goes around embracing science for my reasoning and needs some "proof of documentation" to support what i am saying; quite honestly science lacks the ability to understand and dissect the processes and function we as bb'ers are trying to accomplish with our bodies, and dietary construction is just another example of this, has long been lacking in any understanding of nutrition)

    said pure & simply: you seem to have this concept that protein is all that is needed to lose weight or make body-comp changes on the level we are speaking..this is not only simply not the case, it also directly hinders these goals over time, and gets cumulatively worse!
    now - there are short periods where, if the nutritional aspect is covered on proper vit/mineral consumption, relatively low amounts of carbs & fats in play simultaneously can eliminate waterweight very quickly; but as far as true fat-loss goes, protein alone is not sufficient for the main reason of what hi-protein is beneficial for anyway, ie boost metabolism via harder to digest for body/nourish muscle tissue..if you try to use all protein all the time, the body chews up so much in digestion to break it down to begin with, working hard in the process (most do not realize the tremendous amount of energy the body exerts in the digestive process), and loses both the ability to target adipose tissue for fat release as well as recuperation due to the protein being used as sustenance rather than muscular repair/growth
    the appropriate amount of carbs or fats in play - and yes one being at least minimally sufficient is mandatory - stop this from happening, and allow proper functioning of both digestive and recuperative properties..try to cut both out or keep them too low, it is simply a matter of time before the body turns to tap muscle tissue for sustenance and nutrition..the body does not give a sh1t about your desire to gain or keep muscle; it is solely concerned with survival, period, and will target muscle stores preferentially over adipose stores simply because it is less strain and effort to do so

    the easy way to look at this is, if fats are low, carbs have to be at least moderate to lowish if using long-term scale of dieting..conversely, fats must be at sufficient level if carbs are going to be very small and almost eliminated..to lower both at same time to unnecessary levels, is recipe for disaster
    E****lent so lowering both is ok for very short periods... so we are keeping low fat for most of the duration we need to keep our catbs about equal cals to the fat we take in. 110 grams of carbs is about 440 cals and 50 grams of fat is about 450. We can still do those short periods but only when absolutely needed and that is where you would use the 2 hour eating windows ? Once depleted from low carbs and fat like I was during my last prep. Just trying to tie it all together.

  29. ah yes - seeing some of the effects of old age beging to come into play and affect you can certainly be demoralizing - I experienced this a bit myself when I hit 40 (tho not on 54y/o level obviously), not memory but other issues..thankfully I have a great memory, as I embrace this and utilize to its fullest; I hope that never changes
    one thing I might suggest: well off the top, determine if it is simply old-age forgetfulness, or something more serious like an organic brain/function deteriorization that poses a more serious set of issues for you..but my advice would be (and this is tough I understand, but..) try to tone down on your reading of various sources and ideas, opposing viewpoints, and majorly differing philosophies..find a source you feel to be accurate and worthwhile, and stick with that source for your guiding information going forward
    I am not saying that reading differing opinions/material is not beneficial - quite the contrary, this can be almost as valuable as reading a solid source of info to begin with, as you get a more thorough aspect of understanding and education on the topic at hand (makes you think a little more)..
    when you have memory issues tho, instead this will detract from your overall knowledge and ability to maintain what you read and study, simply because as the memory eludes you begin to confuse issues to yourself, and lose meanings behind contexts and thos philosophies

    just my .02 - wish you the best in this regard buddy
  

  
 

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