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  1. Here you go... Dave Tate teaching it.
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  2. I do not like that open grip he's using....
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  3. I do not use an open grip but love the straight up and down motion is is like a stronger version of a skull crusher when you do them.
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  4. Nothing wrong with close grip at all. I say work with what suits ya best.

    I like a medium grip (ring finger on the ring for a guy my size) and keep the elbow tucked well to focus on the chest and keep too much off the shoulders. I too learned from issues early on.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I do not use an open grip but love the straight up and down motion is is like a stronger version of a skull crusher when you do them.
    Yah I see he uses both grips, seriously though the open grip has killed people.
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  6. The open grip looks really tough...
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
    The open grip looks really tough...
    Were thinking really kind of dumb too...
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  9. I use open grip when I bench.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    I use open grip when I bench.
    yup, me too
    in fact, use this grip on about every single thing I do - even reverse-curls most of the time

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Were thinking really kind of dumb too...
    that's kind of a dumb statement to make
    just because you cannot/do not do it, does not make it stupid for someone else who can

    ...aaand? so what?
    I can show you retarded car accidents too, where it was OPERATOR error most often due to lack of paying attention..
    ppl have been known to do the most goofy things, sometimes
    it still does not make it "unsafe" for those who are versed in it, aware of what they are doing, and proficient with such grip

    would I teach/advise this grip to one of my trainees? of course not, that would not be a good course to go..
    but I tell you what: if you were ever to walk by me while I am training and say something about my grip being "stupid", there would be no hesitation in my coming unglued on you

  11. Open grip is something that I don't think is safe, but can be done safely, espeically if that's how you always lift. I wouldn't walk into the day and try and max out with an open grip when I have never trained like that before.

    On another note, a tight grip using the thumb helps engage secondary muscles for more power. So as long as you have your wrist position and weight distribution right theoretically you should be a little stronger closed grip.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by CountryLiftin View Post
    Open grip is something that I don't think is safe, but can be done safely, espeically if that's how you always lift. I wouldn't walk into the day and try and max out with an open grip when I have never trained like that before.

    On another note, a tight grip using the thumb helps engage secondary muscles for more power. So as long as you have your wrist position and weight distribution right theoretically you should be a little stronger closed grip.
    precisely - all about perspective
    i do not "max out", period..why would i? does not fit nor suit my training style
    but i have maxed out bench before -- no spotter, ~425 on the bar -- and i certainly used the same grip i am accustomed and used to using (and still did it for more than 1 rep)

    but i guess therein may lie the issue: i train alone, not with a partner so have no spotter..is slightly different when you are racking/unracking iron from the bar with no assistance & not being handed weight
    even when i do have a spotter on the rare occasions tho - still use my same ol grip, just how i roll

  13. Quote Originally Posted by CountryLiftin View Post
    Open grip is something that I don't think is safe, but can be done safely, espeically if that's how you always lift. I wouldn't walk into the day and try and max out with an open grip when I have never trained like that before.

    On another note, a tight grip using the thumb helps engage secondary muscles for more power. So as long as you have your wrist position and weight distribution right theoretically you should be a little stronger closed grip.
    Agree with all. Maybe it's just me, but I feel it's easier for me to focus on the chest and feel it better by taking some of the muscles required for a closed hand grip out of the equation. To be totally honest though, if I were to bench heavy enough to require a spot, I would use closed grip.

  14. i'm sitting here scratching my brain, running thru exercises and thinking what there is i wrap my thumb around on..all i can think of is cable pulldowns, and this ab roller..sometimes some DB work (actually there are a few here w/ DBs)
    maybe there is something else, but i'll be damned if i can think of it right now

  15. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    i'm sitting here scratching my brain, running thru exercises and thinking what there is i wrap my thumb around on..all i can think of is cable pulldowns, and this ab roller..maybe there is something else, but i'll be damned if i can think of it right now
    Upright rows?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    Upright rows?
    nope, thumbs are going out to side, don't wrap

  17. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    nope, thumbs are going out to side, don't wrap
    Long distance phone calls?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    Long distance phone calls?
    speakerphone

  19. waiting for the first wise-guy to ask me what grip i use to jac.... oh n/m, maybe i won't be asked that question here

  20. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    waiting for the first wise-guy to ask me what grip i use to jac.... oh n/m, maybe i won't be asked that question here
    Wouldn't the response be... "No I actually have to use two hands!"

    The only problem with the false grip is the chance of the golgi tendon reflex to force the arm straight causing the bar to be dumped. It has to do with being overstretched under too much weight. Not really a freak issue, but is considered unsafe and is not often taught by those who could be held liable for teaching it that way. Like you said though Snags, since you don't have anyone unrack the weight for you you are controlling the stretch and and of course proper hand placement in that grip applies more tension across the bone and not overstretching the tendon. However to teach it to a novice, not the best way to do it. If you learn the other way and develop the wrist strength you can push as much if not more but the reason for people lifting less when switching to a full grip is often wrist strength which comes up pretty quickly. Not too many things we do have us strengthen the back side of the wrists which is needed to stabilize during the lift if done with a closed grip.

    I found my elbow tendonitis got better using the full grip because I was stretching the tendon less under weight which is part of why I swear by it now. However most of my pulling is done with a false grip and when I press on a machine you can be sure it is a false grip.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    i'm sitting here scratching my brain, running thru exercises and thinking what there is i wrap my thumb around on..all i can think of is cable pulldowns, and this ab roller..sometimes some DB work (actually there are a few here w/ DBs)
    maybe there is something else, but i'll be damned if i can think of it right now

    you must be a real man if you DL with an open grip. clean too? LOL. just messin with ya.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    waiting for the first wise-guy to ask me what grip i use to jac.... oh n/m, maybe i won't be asked that question here
    I was ACTUALLY planning on asking as soon as I caught up. Ooh the excitement was building and I was getting all giddy thinking that I had a good one. And then you just went and stole my thunder like that. Oh well... so what grip DO you use to Jack off? Since you brought it up. XD
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Wouldn't the response be... "No I actually have to use two hands!"
    i was tryin to be modest
    The only problem with the false grip is the chance of the golgi tendon reflex to force the arm straight causing the bar to be dumped. It has to do with being overstretched under too much weight. Not really a freak issue, but is considered unsafe and is not often taught by those who could be held liable for teaching it that way. Like you said though Snags, since you don't have anyone unrack the weight for you you are controlling the stretch and and of course proper hand placement in that grip applies more tension across the bone and not overstretching the tendon. However to teach it to a novice, not the best way to do it. If you learn the other way and develop the wrist strength you can push as much if not more but the reason for people lifting less when switching to a full grip is often wrist strength which comes up pretty quickly. Not too many things we do have us strengthen the back side of the wrists which is needed to stabilize during the lift if done with a closed grip.

    I found my elbow tendonitis got better using the full grip because I was stretching the tendon less under weight which is part of why I swear by it now. However most of my pulling is done with a false grip and when I press on a machine you can be sure it is a false grip.
    good stuff, insightful (as usual of course)
    and yeah - been lifting weights since i was 12, long as i can remember i been using this same grip..
    but as i said earlier - i surely do not teach it, and when queried by my trainees (if they even notice to begin with ) i simply bypass it with an offhand remark and say it's not something i would incorporate if i was them

    other than that, i really do not think too much about it..is like second nature

    Quote Originally Posted by CountryLiftin View Post
    you must be a real man if you DL with an open grip. clean too? LOL. just messin with ya.

    but of course, knew there was something i was forgetting..all that went thru my mind was squats; i spose if i did front squats i would use different grip as well

    Quote Originally Posted by 1ifeblood View Post
    I was ACTUALLY planning on asking as soon as I caught up. Ooh the excitement was building and I was getting all giddy thinking that I had a good one. And then you just went and stole my thunder like that. Oh well... so what grip DO you use to Jack off? Since you brought it up. XD
    meh..damn Iowans

  24. I only wrap my thumb around on heavier shoulder presses and bench upwards of 275. Oh and heavy rack/full deads.

    Everything else is open. Not using my thumbs has increased my back muscle activation greatly. And builds my forearms without addition work.

    And I workout alone 75% of the time

  25. Quote Originally Posted by StephenGarcia View Post

    And I workout alone 75% of the time
    I always work out alone most of the time.

  26. I only wrap thumbs when practicing competition grips (like today), otherwise I do all presses with open grip.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Here you go... Dave Tate teaching it.Video Link: http://youtu.be/I2ElVaNFltQ
    This is how I do my "CG BP" didn't know they had a name. I do it this way to alleviate shoulder pain. Reg bench the wider I go the better it feels

    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I do not use an open grip but love the straight up and down motion is is like a stronger version of a skull crusher when you do them.
    Exactly

    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    I use open grip when I bench.
    Me too

    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post

    Long distance phone calls?
    Lol

    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    speakerphone
    Perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    waiting for the first wise-guy to ask me what grip i use to jac.... oh n/m, maybe i won't be asked that question here
    No comment
    Independent

  28. multi-quote specialist beans there LOL

    and - i'm glad to see I am
    a) not the only one who trains solo regularly; and
    b) not the only dumb one using open grip


    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    I always work out alone most of the time.
    I am exactly the same, only different

  29. I always train alone. And I always use open grip. Word to ya motha.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    waiting for the first wise-guy to ask me what grip i use to jac.... oh n/m, maybe i won't be asked that question here
    Have to use both hands on that one
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  31. I used to usie an open grip on bench but when I saw the accidents I stopped, it's true that I never felt any danger but some of the accidents were competitive power lifters who'd looked pretty established. I just thought why risk it. Seemed kind of dumb to me at the time to risk myself to get a few extra lbs on my lift. This was only for banch I use open grip where I see no risk. You say you can do it without risk I believe you and I am pretty sure I could to but I don't see any additional benefit that warrants any risk no matter how small. I did have to get used to full grip though which took a bit of time.
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  32. Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Tricep day. Did four sets of dumbbell hammer curls just to get the blood in there. Continuing with my evening strategy.

    Barbell Close Grip Bench Press
    Set 1 : 185.0x15
    Set 2 : 235.0x14
    Set 3 : 275.0x9
    Set 4 : 285.0x8
    |
    Cable Triceps Pushdown
    Set 1 : 150.0x12
    Set 2 : 150.0x12
    Set 3 : 160.0x9
    Set 4 : 160.0x8
    |
    Laying Triceps Extension
    Set 1 : 70.0x14
    Set 2 : 70.0x13
    Set 3 : 70.0x12
    Set 4 : 70.0x12
    |
    Cybex Triceps Extension
    Set 1 : 90.0x15
    Set 2 : 90.0x15
    Set 3 : 90.0x12
    Set 4 : 90.0x12
    Is this the order you do the exercises?

  33. Yes sir
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  34. 1scoop IGNITE 2.........
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  35. seriously?? good lawd man..you crazy

  36. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    seriously?? good lawd man..you crazy
    That's what a scoop is supposed to look like isn't it?
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  37. Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    That's what a scoop is supposed to look like isn't it?
    gives new definition to the term "rounded scoop"
    for comparison, I only use a flat scoop, maybe a smidgen taller than top edge of scooper

  38. He's from Texas, go big or go home !!! lol
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  39. Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    1scoop IGNITE 2.........
    Whoa!

  40. Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    1scoop IGNITE 2.........
    This is quite possibly the funniest pic I have seen in a while.
  

  
 

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