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    Yeah I need to do the Wheel of Death myself I don't think I have ever actually tried it. I have an ab wheel but I always forget to use it.
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    Just keep working on growing and modulating those carbs and you will probably come in bigger and just as lean if not leaner. As lean as you are an 18 week prep is a long prep. You stay leanand grow a 12 week cutting period should have you shredded 3-4 weeks out so long as you have not put on a lot of fat. Haven't seen any recent pics as of late so not sure where you are. So I guess it is time for some noodz young man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Just keep working on growing and modulating those carbs and you will probably come in bigger and just as lean if not leaner. As lean as you are an 18 week prep is a long prep. You stay leanand grow a 12 week cutting period should have you shredded 3-4 weeks out so long as you have not put on a lot of fat. Haven't seen any recent pics as of late so not sure where you are. So I guess it is time for some noodz young man!
    Yah will put my befores up before I start, I will be between 192 and 195 17 weeks out so will do the 5 week very clean or recomp with a bit of mass. 12 weeks out should have me still under 200 and fairly lean. I have been loose at times but have been reigning it back in. The loose eating stops now though.
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    Haven't started my new log yet, was working this weekend (still did my workouts) and did not get before pics done and the guy who photographs me was out with a bad back. I did start my diet and doing well. 3100-200 cals Carbs 250, 200, 150, 300, 150 fat is around 70-75

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    Traninng last week of FST-7 very successful I will be back to it.

    I will revert to full body for a while ...warrior one but with an extra working set so 2 working sets then double drop set if I can pull it off.
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    Interesting to see how you're going to do this....I loved the full body approach...changing it up a little now
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    Traninng last week of FST-7 very successful I will be back to it.

    I will revert to full body for a while ...warrior one but with an extra working set so 2 working sets then double drop set if I can pull it off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edje007 View Post
    Interesting to see how you're going to do this....I loved the full body approach...changing it up a little now
    Both have their place but I am getting very good results on the area's I target with FST, makes sense as I have a lot of mature muscle so I would need a little more volume.
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    Sounds good that should treat you very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Haven't started my new log yet, was working this weekend (still did my workouts) and did not get before pics done and the guy who photographs me was out with a bad back. I did start my diet and doing well. 3100-200 cals Carbs 250, 200, 150, 300, 150 fat is around 70-75

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    Sounds like everything is in good working order up in here. That's a pretty hearty list of supps you got going on too. I never cared for DMZ though. Gave me some nipple puffiness and I didn't notice a whole lot of good from it. Everyone is different though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post

    Sounds like everything is in good working order up in here. That's a pretty hearty list of supps you got going on too. I never cared for DMZ though. Gave me some nipple puffiness and I didn't notice a whole lot of good from it. Everyone is different though.
    I've heard stories about DW 's supp closit.... supposed to be huge

    Never tried DMZ, lots of different opinions on it....SD was hardcore.

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    I am a DMZ virgin just wanted something a little stronger to kick me off but who knows might be a flop. So far nothing but it's early. There has been a little aggresion which I have to nip in the bud. I find I look pretty watery so far but that could be cycling higher carbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I am a DMZ virgin just wanted something a little stronger to kick me off but who knows might be a flop. So far nothing but it's early. There has been a little aggresion which I have to nip in the bud. I find I look pretty watery so far but that could be cycling higher carbs.
    Did you ever try h drol?
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    Quote Originally Posted by edje007 View Post

    I've heard stories about DW 's supp closit.... supposed to be huge

    Never tried DMZ, lots of different opinions on it....SD was hardcore.

    Currently on 1 -andro 4 caps a day...feeling pumped all day.
    SD fTW or so I've heard. Never tried DMZ and honestly haven't read read much good about it. Interested to see what u notice.
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    dmz, meh (or so too I have heard)
    sd of course has many fans, but leaves you watery
    most wet compound of all time was m1t - you could gain 20lbs in a mo..
    15 from water, and you'd lose 18lbs in pct
    and those BACK pumps....

    again so I have heard
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    dmz, meh (or so too I have heard)
    sd of course has many fans, but leaves you watery
    most wet compound of all time was m1t - you could gain 20lbs in a mo..
    15 from water, and you'd lose 18lbs in pct
    and those BACK pumps....

    again so I have heard
    Sd is absolutely not wet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post

    Sd is absolutely not wet.
    all depends on the food intake...sd loves carbs. Did get bloated back then.
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    In that case then epi is wet.... Sd loves carbs to fight lethargy. Nothing more.
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    if sd was anything like masteron, then yes....but sd is nothing like that...we don' t have to agree on everything big guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by edje007 View Post
    Did you ever try h drol?
    Yah had to do a boat load to get a lot out of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    dmz, meh (or so too I have heard)
    sd of course has many fans, but leaves you watery
    most wet compound of all time was m1t - you could gain 20lbs in a mo..
    15 from water, and you'd lose 18lbs in pct
    and those BACK pumps....

    again so I have heard
    Not interested in anything that harsh, not worth it for me.

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    Sd is absolutely not wet.
    I hear the oppposite but will never try it so can't say for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by edje007 View Post
    if sd was anything like masteron, then yes....but sd is nothing like that...we don' t have to agree on everything big guy
    Yah I heard sd was pretty wet.
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    Diet has nothing to do with how wet a steroid is. Thats why sd is so popular because it is not wet like dbol m1t because it does not convert to estrogen. Just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Diet has nothing to do with how wet a steroid is. Thats why sd is so popular because it is not wet like dbol m1t bestiary out does not convert to estrogen. Just saying.
    That's true...but some guys didn't get very bloated because they were on a diet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by edje007 View Post

    That's true...but some guys didn't get very bloated because they were on a diet...
    Like I said diet has nothing to do with if something converts to estrogen. Sd WILL greatly increase glycogen stores if you slam carbs but it's not "wet". Glad we all agree because I'm right and your wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Like I said diet has nothing to do with if something converts to estrogen. Sd WILL greatly increase glycogen stores if you slam carbs but it's not "wet". Glad we all agree because I'm right and your wrong
    But it is harsh right ? ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post

    But it is harsh right ? ...
    Yes it can be harsh. Dmz by comparison is much more favorable. It's always compared to sd because of it's structure but they are not very similar at all in regards to weight/strength gains as well as sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Yes it can be harsh. Dmz by comparison is much more favorable. It's always compared to sd because of it's structure but they are not very similar at all in regards to weight/strength gains as well as sides.
    Hence my choice ....
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    Oh I'm not disputing the fact that it's a rough hormone but it isn't wet.
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    Well I am eatng clean very clean but a little uncomfortable with my body comp so far. I will be ready to reduce cals at any time I feel I need to though.

    What are your guys take on eggs I eat a lot of them cuz I am reading they have no effect on cholesterol but you get conflicting opinions and with us cycling stuff you don't want to follow the wrong advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Well I am eatng clean very clean but a little uncomfortable with my body comp so far. I will be ready to reduce cals at any time I feel I need to though.

    What are your guys take on eggs I eat a lot of them cuz I am reading they have no effect on cholesterol but you get conflicting opinions and with us cycling stuff you don't want to follow the wrong advice.
    I eat a lot of them. Cholesterol levels are hereditary to a certain degree. If your family is not prone to high cholesterol, you probably won't be. Also, your exercise level is pretty high. That helps to keep it down too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Well I am eatng clean very clean but a little uncomfortable with my body comp so far. I will be ready to reduce cals at any time I feel I need to though.

    What are your guys take on eggs I eat a lot of them cuz I am reading they have no effect on cholesterol but you get conflicting opinions and with us cycling stuff you don't want to follow the wrong advice.
    I would watch cholesterol while on cycle if you still have a gallbladder.

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    steroid talk in doug's room!



    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Sd is absolutely not wet.
    did I say it was? I musta missed that post
    when I said can leave you watery, just made me think of m1t, which IS a wet compound

    I said it can leave you watery - and what I mean is: do you see anyone using it in final stages of prep?
    I didn't think so

    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Yes it can be harsh.
    correct - AND can leave you a bit watery
    all about perspective


    doug, I wouldn't worry about eggs, para got you covered on that one
    as a rule tho, I still keep an eye on my yolk intake - there are much better sources of fat imo, for what I try to do
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    steroid talk in doug's room!




    did I say it was? I musta missed that post
    when I said can leave you watery, just made me think of m1t, which IS a wet compound

    I said it can leave you watery - and what I mean is: do you see anyone using it in final stages of prep?
    I didn't think so


    correct - AND can leave you a bit watery
    all about perspective


    doug, I wouldn't worry about eggs, para got you covered on that one
    as a rule tho, I still keep an eye on my yolk intake - there are much better sources of fat imo, for what I try to do
    Yah I will keep it down to 2 yolks a day then.

    Yah 3200 cals is really more of a recomp yes what I was doing actually....
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    SD isn't a wet compound and yes diet as in excess carbs can cause you to get watery so everyone is right. If you overshoot your carbs while on SD in an effort to feed it then you will get watery but it is spill over from carbs and not SD. Now SD does cause some prolactin issues sometimes and that can add a lil water. Bottom line though is SD is harsh and unless you are someone who doesn't experience a lot of sides there are plenty of other good choices out there.

    DMZ is broken down to 1 molecule of sd and one weaker compound so it is just over half as strong as SD. Either way at 45 with 1-Alpha there is no reason you should not see some major recomp if not a little growth while on lower calories.
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    ^^ all good stuff, and of course nails on the recomp bit - should treat him pretty well


    and truth be told, some guys DO use sd in prep, thru all stages..just wouldn't be (and is not) my personal choice
    I think methylclosetebol is better, less harsh by far
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    ^^ all good stuff, and of course nails on the recomp bit - should treat him pretty well

    and truth be told, some guys DO use sd in prep, thru all stages..just wouldn't be (and is not) my personal choice
    I think methylclosetebol is better, less harsh by far
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    Not with those legs... Run Snags Run! Then again he may kick back...
    I've got some reach on Snags...I'll stick my arm out so he can't reach me
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    Yah ok I am up 5 lbs on day 6 at 3200 cals, I am going down to 3000 and I am using almonds for fat instead of yolks, all yolks are gone. 1 oz of almonds here and there does the trick will take my fat down to 60-65 ed at 3000 cals. I have gained some good size but 5 lbs is a bit too fast.
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    Egg whites are getting boring so I tried nuking them and they came out pretty fluffy really omellette like ...wait did I say omellette!!! Ok recipe idea time of course bell pepperd and you can throw in some cooked yams or ground beef.

    What about egg white shakes ? Anybody have some good ideas...?
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