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  1. Do you do carbs intra starting about 30 minutes after you start lifting so you still get the GH secretion from the lift?
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Nice and no need to carb after if you carb intra good thinking!
    exactly

    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Do you do carbs intra starting about 30 minutes after you start lifting so you still get the GH secretion from the lift?
    off the top let me say - i do not necessarily espouse the practice of intraWO carbs at all
    in fact, is not a regular practice of mine - but rather something i utilize at strategic timeframes
    but to answer your question, yes 20-30min into the workout, and the other component of this is when i am working out for a longer time period than usual
    if doing my (more usual) shorter, 30-40min w/o, then i will have no intraWO shake..
    i may follow this with carb-laden postWO shake..or, i may follow with EAA mixture for postWO shake (or BCAA+SAA currently), then wait 15-30min and follow with carb-laden postWO meal

    again - lots of different things i may do, depending on various factors
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Do you do carbs intra starting about 30 minutes after you start lifting so you still get the GH secretion from the lift?
    Intra carbs ? I would need a nap....
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  4. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post

    Intra carbs ? I would need a nap....
    Same. I do 5g BCAA and beta alanine and creatine intra.

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  5. Snag continues his off-season REDEFINing


    I don't to intra carbs but currently doing post work out cell shock+slinshot it's a great combo.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/216136-finaflex-1-andro.htmlCurrent log belowhttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/redefine-nutrition/226014-getting-bigger-leaner.html#post3893348
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Intra carbs ? I would need a nap....
    35-50g dextrose or similar simple?
    no you wouldn't

  7. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    35-50g dextrose or similar simple?
    no you wouldn't
    lol carbs make me sleepy sometimes but not with only that much.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  8. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    lol carbs make me sleepy sometimes but not with only that much.
    is all in the application my friend

  9. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    is all in the application my friend
    Yah that's why I like my carbs late in the day. When you gorge naptime is very near so it's a good way to get to sleep.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  10. beast of a meal for dinner tonight..mmmmmmmm


    5oz 93% lean ground turkey
    9oz chicken breast
    salad w/ fixins
    1/2 serving rice cakes (love this flav)
    ~625 cals

    was off day from training, carbs lowered to ~150g, total cals will be ~3k this day

  11. Interesting I may need to get some of these around my house. I always forget about rice cakes and stuff for carbs. Then again I love my bagels and oats...
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Interesting I may need to get some of these around my house. I always forget about rice cakes and stuff for carbs. Then again I love my bagels and oats...
    Carbs are easy to leave out.

    Meat, veggies and some olive oil...easy peasy

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  13. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Interesting I may need to get some of these around my house. I always forget about rice cakes and stuff for carbs. Then again I love my bagels and oats...
    oats okay..bagels bro, no no

    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Carbs are easy to leave out.

    Meat, veggies and some olive oil...easy peasy
    absolutely
    i could go down to <50g carbs on an off day if i wanted (and do), if it was ALL about shedding some bf
    alas, i have other intentions in mind, lean is but a component!

  14. Yah I need to add some carbs on my workout days .. flavoured rice cakes sound good. I thnk maybe for treats on refeeds as well.
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  15. Haven't tried those rice cakes yet...seen them before but may have to pick them up.
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  16. My wife eats rice cakes and I have tried them but I feel like I'm eating styrofoam. Yuck If I'm eating carbs it's going to be tasty. Lol
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Haven't tried those rice cakes yet...seen them before but may have to pick them up.
    they're the same thing as the old Quakes, quaker just streamlined the product line and call them all "popped" now..
    tasty lil devils




    on the food front - another off day today, cals will be bumped to 3250, carbs to ~225..static moderate fats and hi-protein round it out..quinoa on tap today for 2 meals..
    i don't need to push energy since i'll be in front of my computer all day, not leaving the house

    DreamWeaver blowing that stupid arctic crap my way, chilling me out
    my garage is a lil cold this morning, -20 at 7am here
    could still work out if i wanted, but don't feel like battling the elements or jacking up the heat out there

    i'm a sissy this day

  18. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    My wife eats rice cakes and I have tried them but I feel like I'm eating styrofoam. Yuck If I'm eating carbs it's going to be tasty. Lol
    try the flavored bro..no styro taste, trust me
    is like a treat

  19. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    try the flavored bro..no styro taste, trust me
    is like a treat
    Bbq flavour ftw

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  20. So you are anti whole grain bagel (50 grams carbs 8 grams fiber) as a post workout carb source? I can see why not for any other time of day but figured that would not be a bad time to add that in. Wait aren't your McSnag breakfast things on a bagel? I know you are much leaner than me and can get away with those things.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    So you are anti whole grain bagel (50 grams carbs 8 grams fiber) as a post workout carb source? I can see why not for any other time of day but figured that would not be a bad time to add that in. Wait aren't your McSnag breakfast things on a bagel? I know you are much leaner than me and can get away with those things.
    again, lotta qualifiers here bro
    anti-whole grain? mmm i'm definitely not pro-whole whole grain, and only during postWO usually, and of course breakfast..

    i really have no absolute use for whole grains ..you want to use them postWO, sure go ahead, use regular bagels for that matter, doesn't matter, all in perspective
    i pick my spots to eat grains, most generally
    bagel for Egg McSnag, maybe once bro in the last couple months..not something i do often at all, usually it's Ezekiel or 15-grain, lately actually has been a nice sourdough, top-notch
    (bagel does tastes pretty damn good when used tho haha)

    for you & your current goals, eh..you have to make that call man
    me personally, if i was focusing on just fat-loss, then i would eliminate postWO shake and all carbs, and run a low-carb / every 3rd day hi-carb last meal rotation

    eishh..maybe i am confusing you!
    srs i have so many variables i can pull out for myself right now, makes it hard to translate to you and stay in the same context as what you are trying to do..my days of just advising a pre-set "plan x" or whatever are basically done

    i understand, you are focusing on some muscle-building too..best i can say, utilize beverly principles like we both used to in the old days, and you know you can't go wrong
    that stuff is fool-proof brother..
    go with what you know works for you

  22. For grains I am liking the mult-grains the heavier the better, I like me some bread with some weight.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  23. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    again, lotta qualifiers here bro
    anti-whole grain? mmm i'm definitely not pro-whole whole grain, and only during postWO usually, and of course breakfast..

    i really have no absolute use for whole grains ..you want to use them postWO, sure go ahead, use regular bagels for that matter, doesn't matter, all in perspective
    i pick my spots to eat grains, most generally
    bagel for Egg McSnag, maybe once bro in the last couple months..not something i do often at all, usually it's Ezekiel or 15-grain, lately actually has been a nice sourdough, top-notch
    (bagel does tastes pretty damn good when used tho haha)

    for you & your current goals, eh..you have to make that call man
    me personally, if i was focusing on just fat-loss, then i would eliminate postWO shake and all carbs, and run a low-carb / every 3rd day hi-carb last meal rotation

    eishh..maybe i am confusing you!
    srs i have so many variables i can pull out for myself right now, makes it hard to translate to you and stay in the same context as what you are trying to do..my days of just advising a pre-set "plan x" or whatever are basically done

    i understand, you are focusing on some muscle-building too..best i can say, utilize beverly principles like we both used to in the old days, and you know you can't go wrong
    that stuff is fool-proof brother..
    go with what you know works for you
    Okay yeah I was a little surprised when we were chatting the other day and you recommended 2 30-40 gram carb meals after the recovery shake. I have done very well with the diet you mentioned plus a shake or oats following the workouts. As you mentioned I should go back to what I know works for me in my current goals. I can play with adding a few smaller carb meals in after I drop the weight I want. As for now I am going back to low carb other than some blueberries and grapefruit, and of course whatever tags along with almonds and green veggies. Will do a carb up on Wednesday and Saturday nights.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Okay yeah I was a little surprised when we were chatting the other day and you recommended 2 30-40 gram carb meals after the recovery shake.
    no no bro - 2 of those meals yes, but not after recovery shake
    see it's all in the application (and of course yes, timing)
    and also, depends on when in the day you work out
    ie if you train following first or second meal of the day, have one of those carb meals for breakfast
    then, if training after breakfast, you'll have that shake, then no/low carb postWO meal, then place second carb meal wherever (typically i would place this following postWO meal), then you're done w/ carbs (except for trace) for the day
    you could also wait and have those carbs with dinner later in day..your choice
    if traininig after second meal, same basic set-up, second meal needs no carbs
    you see?
    and again - really, postWO shake w/ carbs can be totally eliminated if you choose, and you just take your (complex) carbs and place them wherever in the day you see fit (like breakfast/midday/supper), no carbs anywhere else..
    I have done very well with the diet you mentioned plus a shake or oats following.
    in the grand scheme of things, you WILL do well on that basic guideline, irregardless of where you place carb meals..there is still value to overall consumption for the day, but i feel there is even greater value/multiplied result in strategic placement
    As you mentioned I should go back to what I know works for me in my current goals. I can play with adding a few smaller carb meals in after I drop the weight I want. As for now I am going back to low carb other than some blueberries and grapefruit, and of course whatever tags along with almonds and green veggies. Will do a carb up on Wednesday and Saturday nights.
    nice
    that will quite obviously work as well, as you have been there, done that already
    sorry man, don't mean to confuse!
    my thought process is into my own individual variances right now..shuffling as many factors as i am currently, i cannot duplicate this for someone else -- unless you are in my mind with me!

    you will be fine bro, you have a good plan and a great understanding of what you need to do
    now go get it!

  25. I think you have a perfect layout there for some clean recomp. I did well before when I added 2 1/2 cup servings of oats to that mix with no post workout shake just the protein and 1/2 cup oats. For now I want to induce a tiny bit of ketosis, get the body burning fat preferentially for energy then slowly add carbs back in.

    By the way I workout out first thing in the morning with no food on my stomach, I take about 15 grams of aminos and 7 grams L-Glutamine pre workout to give my body something to work with during the lift. With the new layout it will be a couple scoops of isolate and a half grapefruit post workout. That will supply a mild insulin response and take advantage of the glut -4 translocation caused by the resistance exercise. Second meal on will be Protein and fats. I wil have one more serving of either 1/2 grapefruit or 3/4 cup blueberries during the day. So carbs will be low but they will not be nonexistent. Should pull this fat off post haste. Once the abs are showing again I will begin bringing some carbs back in.
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    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html
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