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    What is the difference between FINAFLEX's 1-ANDRO & EPI-V


    OK, I am starting this thread because I have been asked on a number of occasions... "What is the difference between FINAFLEX's 1-ANDRO and EPI-V, they both appear to be Androsterone?" I have asked our research and development team here at FINAFLEX as well as dug around and did a little research on my own and here is what I have come up with....

    OK, I'm glad you asked me question actually, because at first glance EPI-V does appear to be 1-Androsterone, but it is not... Our 1-ANDRO is 1-Androsterone Androsterone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, but our EPI-V is Androstanolone File:Androstanolone.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, a completely different compound according the our manufacturers.

    1-ANDRO = 3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one
    EPI-V = 3alpha-Hydroxy-5-alpha-androstan-17-one

    Now having some really good Chemistry background myself, if you look at the pictures of the compound (structurally) Androsterone & Androstanolone (via my Wikipedia links) they appear to be identical, where I think the major difference lie personally is a couple of things: 1) EPI-V is 3alpha-hydroxy vs. 1-ANDRO just being 3-hydrox, 2) the addition of the 1-en in the 1-ANDRO, and finally 3) 1-ANDRO has Bergamottin (grapefruit extract) which acts as a pretty serious amplifier to the Androsterone (making it stronger and better for overall strength and weight gain).

    Also, you have to take into account the the addition of the cortisol inhibitor blend & the stimulant & shredding matrix that is present in our EPI-V and not in our 1-ANDRO, these additional compounds will slightly hinder the massive weight gains compared to the 1-ANDRO, but will help cut excess water, increase the fat burning potential of taking a anabolic product, and obviously eliminate any and all water bloat / retention. Therefore making the 1-ANDRO our go-to product for the hard-gainers and/or someone looking to run a mass cycle and our EPI-V our go-to product for the easy gainers that have a tendency to hold some extra fat, but don't want to sacrifice hard earned muscle in order to drop that hard to lose fat, and of course anyone trying to cut down and shred up for a show or to just look good for the summer.

    I hope this answers all your questions. All I can say is EPI-V worked very well for me, I am an easy gainer, but always have that tendency to hold on to the extra fat, so it did exactly what I was hoping it would do, I dropped all the fat I wanted to drop during my cut and amazingly enough I gained 1Lb of lean muscle during that cut, that is awesome in my book, I'll take that any and every day of the week!!!
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    Good post. I thought there was just a mistake in nomenclature of those active compounds but apparently they are two totally different compounds
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    Thank you, I'm just glad I was able to clear that up for a few people! Hopefully more people will see this and realize that there really is a pretty big difference between our two products, but at the same time, for all those who don't know the difference, I can understand why people would think that a company would use the exact same product under two different names and claim it does two different things... why? Because I see that $hit happening all the time! I just hope this reaches the masses so they can see that with our products this truly is not the case! We really do care and take the time and effort to design our products to be effective and actually do what they were both designed and advertised to do and not just that, but do it well!
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    Is Epi-v more of a AI?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder1 View Post
    Is Epi-v more of a AI?
    No sir, I was not implying that at all, we do have an AI in our PCT REVOLUTION Black, but EPI-V is a Prohormone, maybe you got a little confused when I said it is less likely to convert to aromatise, but it is not in any way shape or form an AI!
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    What do you think about stacking EPI-V with Hdrol? Typically, 11-oxo w/hdrol is the most popular cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ion26 View Post
    What do you think about stacking EPI-V with Hdrol?
    I think that would be a pretty sick Combo, I would think you would get some decent Mass & Leaning effects from that combo, give it a try and do a LOG on the forum so all can learn and benefit from it!

    Quote Originally Posted by ion26 View Post
    Typically, 11-oxo w/hdrol is the most popular cycle.
    Agreed, very popular, with great results!
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    Can I use 1-ANDRO to an EPI-V bridge cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSF View Post
    Can I use 1-ANDRO to an EPI-V bridge cycle?
    Absolutely, you can either go straight from one to the other or lower 1 dose as you raise the other, kind of merge from one to the other, either way has worked very well for me personally!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Absolutely, you can either go straight from one to the other or lower 1 dose as you raise the other, kind of merge from one to the other, either way has worked very well for me personally!
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    I use to take halovar by purus labs but now its off the market. i hear only great things about andro and epi-v.

    I was wondering if i could stack the two or bridge them and how much to take for great results?

    I use to take 100mg daily (2pill 2x daily) for 6 weeks with the supports (cycle assist, fish oils, multis, cellmass) then a pct with great results.

    any information/opionions will be greatly appreciated. thanks for your time guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donjamin View Post
    I use to take halovar by purus labs but now its off the market. i hear only great things about andro and epi-v.

    I was wondering if i could stack the two or bridge them and how much to take for great results?

    I use to take 100mg daily (2pill 2x daily) for 6 weeks with the supports (cycle assist, fish oils, multis, cellmass) then a pct with great results.

    any information/opionions will be greatly appreciated. thanks for your time guys.
    I have done both before actually... I have stacked them, where I would take 2 caps of each twice daily for like 6 wks, or you could do 2 caps of 1-ANDRO twice a day for 4wks, then 2 caps of EPI-V twice a day for 4 wks, or you could merge/blend the bridge, vs. just jumping from one to the other... like phase one out as you phase the other in, so many different ways, all work very well, really just depends on you what you feel the most comfortable doing. Besides that just make sure you Post Cycle properly and take a cycle-assist and your right as Rain my friend!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    I have done both before actually... I have stacked them, where I would take 2 caps of each twice daily for like 6 wks, or you could do 2 caps of 1-ANDRO twice a day for 4wks, then 2 caps of EPI-V twice a day for 4 wks, or you could merge/blend the bridge, vs. just jumping from one to the other... like phase one out as you phase the other in, so many different ways, all work very well, really just depends on you what you feel the most comfortable doing. Besides that just make sure you Post Cycle properly and take a cycle-assist and your right as Rain my friend!!!
    You also did the 6 weeks 1-andro and 6 of Epi-v run... crazy fugger...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    You also did the 6 weeks 1-andro and 6 of Epi-v run... crazy fugger...
    Wait, I'm gonna have to go back and look, did I actually run 6 caps of each???
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    You also did the 6 weeks 1-andro and 6 of Epi-v run... crazy fugger...
    Holy-$hit... you are right, LoL, this was my 16wk run this past time around, I totally forgot how many I was taking to be honest with you, I didn't get quite as ripped this time around, but I know why, because I was only about 85-90% strict on my diet, while in 2010 I cheated 1 time, 1 time in 12 weeks, I was crazy strict!!!

    Anyway, below is a cut and paste of the start of my 2011 Hallow-Lean Log...

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    Supplements:
    Weeks 1 - 8 using Finaflex 1-ANDRO (2 capsules three x’s day for 8 wks)
    Weeks 1 - 16 using Finaflex PCT REV. Black (1 capsule two x’s day for 16 wks)
    Weeks 1 - 16 using Finaflex’s ALC+CLA (2 pills three x’s day for 16 wks)
    Weeks 8 - 16 using Finaflex’s EPI-V (2 capsules three x’s day for 8 wks)
    Weeks 10 - 12 using Finaflex’s PRO XANTHINE (1 capsule twice x’s day for 8 wks)
    Weeks 10 - 16 using Finaflex’s N.O. IGNITE (1-2 scoops per day pre workout)

    * VERY IMPORTANT... I do not recommend the above LOG for just anyone or a beginner! I have many, many years experience and truly know my body and was taking all the precautions, please do not just see what I did and assume that more means better, I truly felt like I got about the same results taking 6 caps/day of each as I did the year before when I took 4 caps of each per day. IMO... I think 4 caps/day of either product is the magic number, or at least for me and my body anyway and DW got some pretty Damn good results off of 4 caps/day with the EPI-V as well!!!
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    Thank you for responding. my goal is more to lean out then mass but wouldnt mind more mass. would that make a difference in how i take each product?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donjamin View Post
    Thank you for responding. my goal is more to lean out then mass but wouldnt mind more mass. would that make a difference in how i take each product?
    What is your experience with these types of products ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Holy-$hit... you are right, LoL, this was my 16wk run this past time around, I totally forgot how many I was taking to be honest with you, I didn't get quite as ripped this time around, but I know why, because I was only about 85-90% strict on my diet, while in 2010 I cheated 1 time, 1 time in 12 weeks, I was crazy strict!!!

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    SPONSORED... 16 week pre-contest diet, supplementation & exercise log:
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    Supplements:
    Weeks 1 - 8 using Finaflex 1-ANDRO (2 capsules three x’s day for 8 wks)
    Weeks 1 - 16 using Finaflex PCT REV. Black (1 capsule two x’s day for 16 wks)
    Weeks 1 - 16 using Finaflex’s ALC+CLA (2 pills three x’s day for 16 wks)
    Weeks 8 - 16 using Finaflex’s EPI-V (2 capsules three x’s day for 8 wks)
    Weeks 10 - 12 using Finaflex’s PRO XANTHINE (1 capsule twice x’s day for 8 wks)
    Weeks 10 - 16 using Finaflex’s N.O. IGNITE (1-2 scoops per day pre workout)

    * VERY IMPORTANT... I do not recommend the above LOG for just anyone or a beginner! I have many, many years experience and truly know my body and was taking all the precautions, please do not just see what I did and assume that more means better, I truly felt like I got about the same results taking 6 caps/day of each as I did the year before when I took 4 caps of each per day. IMO... I think 4 caps/day of either product is the magic number, or at least for me and my body anyway and DW got some pretty Damn good results off of 4 caps/day with the EPI-V as well!!!

    Yah it's all depending on experience, you can ramp the dosage up after running these products the first time..

    First time I would stick to maybe 4-6 weeks of one product....
    Second time maybe 4 of 1-andro and 4 of EPI-V
    3rd time you would be ready for a 12 weeker maybe depending how you react to the products.

    Always remember to take about 8 to 12 weeks off between cycles not including PCT...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yah it's all depending on experience, you can ramp the dosage up after running these products the first time..

    First time I would stick to maybe 4-6 weeks of one product....
    Second time maybe 4 of 1-andro and 4 of EPI-V
    3rd time you would be ready for a 12 weeker maybe depending how you react to the products.

    Always remember to take about 8 to 12 weeks off between cycles not including PCT...
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    I've ran 2 cycles of halovar. first one i ran 75mg a day for 4 weeks. second time i ran it at 100mg a day for 6 weeks. ran them with cycle assit multis fish oils and creatine.
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    Pct was recycle inhibit e multis fish oil and cellmass
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    Quote Originally Posted by donjamin View Post
    I've ran 2 cycles of halovar. first one i ran 75mg a day for 4 weeks. second time i ran it at 100mg a day for 6 weeks. ran them with cycle assit multis fish oils and creatine.
    Ok based on your experience you could probably go with 6 weeks EPI-V or 4 of 1 andro and 4 Epi-V. Option A) would add a bit of size and have you leaner, harder and drier than you have ever been or B) Add some mass then dry it up with Epi-V and keep that mass and be looking almost as sharp. Let us know which way you want to go and we will set you up. (provided you are old enough which was assumed when I gave this advice). These products are pretty safe but they still have to be used responsibly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Ok based on your experience you could probably go with 6 weeks EPI-V or 4 of 1 andro and 4 Epi-V. Option A) would add a bit of size and have you leaner, harder and drier than you have ever been or B) Add some mass then dry it up with Epi-V and keep that mass and be looking almost as sharp. Let us know which way you want to go and we will set you up. (provided you are old enough which was assumed when I gave this advice). These products are pretty safe but they still have to be used responsibly...

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    Ok one question. This is my 2nd week on 1 andro and my bench has went up from doing 3 sets of 315, 6 times. To doing 3 sets of 315 8 times. Good stuff. But my question: is it a good idea to stack the epi-v with it and how so?? I'm taking 2 pills of the 1 andro n the morning and 2 at night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TankSinatra View Post
    Ok one question. This is my 2nd week on 1 andro and my bench has went up from doing 3 sets of 315, 6 times. To doing 3 sets of 315 8 times. Good stuff. But my question: is it a good idea to stack the epi-v with it and how so?? I'm taking 2 pills of the 1 andro n the morning and 2 at night.
    What is your ultimate goal... to get bigger and stronger or leaner? I mean if you just want to get bigger and stronger just take a good 6 week cycle of the 1-Andro at your current dose per day, which is spot on by the way! If you want to get big for a few weeks then bridge over to lean up for a few weeks, but still maintain all your muscle, then do like 6wks of 1-Andro, then 4wks of EPI-V (Same dose as 1-Andro, just don't take it within 8hrs of your intended bedtime, will keep you awake, has stims in it). Let me know your goals and we'll go from there Bro!
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    Well I wanted to get bigger but also lean out
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    Quote Originally Posted by TankSinatra View Post
    Well I wanted to get bigger but also lean out
    Yah then just bridge to the EPI-V like Al said, it will lean you out, preserve your mass, dry you out and make you rock hard. EPI-V is a DHT precursor you use it just like winnie.. It's mild though so you can bridge to it without too much trouble. I little extra Saw Palmetto might be needed as like I said it converts to DHT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TankSinatra View Post
    Well I wanted to get bigger but also lean out
    Again, DW beat me to the punch, but is dead on! Do a bridge cycle Brother, that is the best way to achieve what you want! How large of a beginning bulking phase of your cycle you want to do depends on how big you want to get and how long/intense of a ending rip down phase depends on how much excess fat you have and how lean you want to get, I mean it is all up to you, either DW or myself will be happy to write you out a little plan to follow, all up to you Bro?
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    Sounds like I'll b doing the bridge then. I've had someone tell me take 2 bottles of 1 andro and on the third start the epi-v. But thanks for all the advice. O 1 more thing. Is a pre workout needed with the epi-v? Or does it give u energy also
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    Quote Originally Posted by TankSinatra View Post
    Sounds like I'll b doing the bridge then. I've had someone tell me take 2 bottles of 1 andro and on the third start the epi-v. But thanks for all the advice. O 1 more thing. Is a pre workout needed with the epi-v? Or does it give u energy also
    Good .. I like the brige...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TankSinatra View Post
    Sounds like I'll b doing the bridge then. I've had someone tell me take 2 bottles of 1 andro and on the third start the epi-v. But thanks for all the advice. O 1 more thing. Is a pre workout needed with the epi-v? Or does it give u energy also
    That is up to you Bro, I personally only use pre-workouts every now and then when I really need a pick-me-up or am facing a super challenging workout, but I try not to rely on them / use them on a daily basis! So to answer your question, to each his own Bro, but no you will not be over-stimulated by the stims in the EPI-V if you decide to use a pre-workout!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    That is up to you Bro, I personally only use pre-workouts every now and then when I really need a pick-me-up or am facing a super challenging workout, but I try not to rely on them / use them on a daily basis! So to answer your question, to each his own Bro, but no you will not be over-stimulated by the stims in the EPI-V if you decide to use a pre-workout!
    Plus EPI-V has some stim in it...
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    Thanks for the advice
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    Quote Originally Posted by TankSinatra View Post
    Thanks for the advice
    Anytime my Friend, that is why we are here!
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    Just wanted to update on my status. Not sure if anyone cares but just some FYI. Today is the start of my 5th week on 1 andro and my bench is now 335. First 2 sets of 10 and the 3rd set was 9. I could've probably got the last one but I had no spotter so I thought I'd stop there. Good stuff. I love it
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    Quote Originally Posted by TankSinatra View Post
    Just wanted to update on my status. Not sure if anyone cares but just some FYI. Today is the start of my 5th week on 1 andro and my bench is now 335. First 2 sets of 10 and the 3rd set was 9. I could've probably got the last one but I had no spotter so I thought I'd stop there. Good stuff. I love it
    Wow ... 1-test was always good for da bench though, stuff must be converting very well for you, damn right we care!!
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    Guess so. I love it. People can automatically see an increase in my size. Been hitting the gym real hard. Cant wait to jump on the epi-v to get leaner and cut the fat out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TankSinatra View Post
    Guess so. I love it. People can automatically see an increase in my size. Been hitting the gym real hard. Cant wait to jump on the epi-v to get leaner and cut the fat out.
    Oh man your livin the dream, hope you're already fairly lean cuz that is the best we to time this, you want to use EPI-V to shred right up to the lowest you are going to go.. your peak. I keep repeating myself but it's a fact that EPI-V will trim you, harden and dry you out. It's a tremendous feeling...
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    Hello Everyone. So, after reading through the threads I'm still kinda confused. I purchased 1 Andro, EPI-V, and Revolution PCT. I'm very athletic and weigh 198. My goal is to shred and put on at least 10lbs of muscle. My question: Is stacking 1 Andro and EPI-V a good idea for what I'm trying to accomplish? If so, how many pills of each and when should I take them? Also, should I take the PCT during or after my cycle? Thanks for any info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrhoward1ga View Post
    Hello Everyone. So, after reading through the threads I'm still kinda confused. I purchased 1 Andro, EPI-V, and Revolution PCT. I'm very athletic and weigh 198. My goal is to shred and put on at least 10lbs of muscle. My question: Is stacking 1 Andro and EPI-V a good idea for what I'm trying to accomplish? If so, how many pills of each and when should I take them? Also, should I take the PCT during or after my cycle? Thanks for any info.
    A lot depends on experience personally I would go with 1-Andro Epi-V bridge. You will make size gains with 1-Andro bu Epi-V is the finisher, which will dry you out and harden you up....

    How much you take and how long is where the experience comes to play...
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