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    Introducing our New PCT Revolutions Black series Q & A


    This thread is designed to act as a Q & A for NEW..FINAFLEX PCT-REVOLUTION Black Series. So please direct any and all questions for this product here and I will be more than happy to answer them.

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    Here is a little FYI for you guys... I just so happen to be shopping around on NutraPlanet and what did I see, but an incredibly popular supplement that just so happens to be ranked Number 17 of top 20 selling products and the main and only ingredient is... 25mg's of Androsta-3,5-Diene-7,17-Dione. Well, it just so happens that our Brand New, best PCT on the market today, has 50mg's of Androsta-3,5-Diene-7,17-Dione and much, much more, so make sure to read the ingredients label as the ingredients speak for themselves. Also, it is set to be released and available to the general public on 24th of this month (Feb. 2011). So stay tuned and be ready my friends.... it's a coming!!!
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    hows this compare to the original pct revolution (white tub)
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    Depending on price, this looks good. I really like the focus on liver and lipid returns, not just testosterone. I would have thrown in some vitex or B6 for prolactin control, but still a good profile that doesn't claim to replace the function of a SERM - this would be a really good adjunct for weeks 3-7 on PCT, assuming you tapered on and off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheRoadTo View Post
    Depending on price, this looks good. I really like the focus on liver and lipid returns, not just testosterone. I would have thrown in some vitex or B6 for prolactin control, but still a good profile that doesn't claim to replace the function of a SERM - this would be a really good adjunct for weeks 3-7 on PCT, assuming you tapered on and off.
    Uhhh... Awesome explanation I could not have said it better myself! So... "I Concur!"
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    For those of us who have used Erase, which you are so cleverly referring to, that dose of the AI you have in here is VERY high, like make your knees and shoulder scream at you high. I could see taking 1 pill per day but 2 makes me hurt thinking about it. I like the rest of the profile though I would have skipped the DAA and put in fadogia but that is me. Will keep an eye out for some logs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    For those of us who have used Erase, which you are so cleverly referring to, that dose of the AI you have in here is VERY high, like make your knees and shoulder scream at you high. I could see taking 1 pill per day but 2 makes me hurt thinking about it. I like the rest of the profile though I would have skipped the DAA and put in fadogia but that is me. Will keep an eye out for some logs...
    Just curious, how many ERASE's were you taking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Just curious, how many ERASE's were you taking?
    ERASE = 25mg/cap of (AI)
    PCT REVOLUTION = 50mg/cap of (AI)
    3 to get started then drop to 2 after a week or 10 days. I have not met many men that can handle 3-4 for very long (if at all); it is murder on your joints even with a lot of fish oil and joint support. I may be an isolated case but that jumped out at me. Plus, I worry that would just kill estrodial after a cycle when all you want to do is control it from rebounding. I like what I see in your products, really I do, this just has me concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    3 to get started then drop to 2 after a week or 10 days. I have not met many men that can handle 3-4 for very long (if at all); it is murder on your joints even with a lot of fish oil and joint support. I may be an isolated case but that jumped out at me. Plus, I worry that would just kill estrodial after a cycle when all you want to do is control it from rebounding. I like what I see in your products, really I do, this just has me concerned.
    First off, thank you, we definitely appreciate your opinion. Please allow me to explain why we have it dosed the way we do...

    Based on research of past AI's including ATD & Arimistane TM, we have concluded that the effective doses of ATD in human studies is in the range of 25-150mg's/day, which is necessary levels needed to increase endogenous androgen levels, while decreasing circulating levels of estrogen in the body.

    Now, the reason why I am mentioning ATD is because it is very important to understand that the Ki value shows the effectiveness of the binding affinity to the aromatase enzyme. With that being said, the Ki value of ATD is 0.18 micromolar and Aromastane has a Ki value of 0.22 micromolars, therefore the ATD is 1.22 times more effective than the Aromastane. In conclusion, the reason why we have the Aromastane at 50mg/capsule is if ATD is effective at 25-150mgs/day then the effective dose of Aromastane should be on the low side of 30 mgs/day and the high end of 180mgs/day, making the ideal dose being approx. 90 mgs/day. This is why we believe that anything less that 50mgs/day would be considered under-dosed.

    Also, please compare our product to some of the other well-known and effective products out there on the market today (Novadex TM = 60mgs/capsule of AI)!

    As far as the joint pain is concerned... Unfortunately, everyone is different and different compounds effect them and their body's differently. It is impossible for us to create a compound that is 100% effective for everyone in every way, unfortunately!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oze View Post
    hows this compare to the original pct revolution (white tub)
    It truly is "NEWER & IMPROVED" my friend! Like they say... "Once ya go PCT Black, You Will Never go Back!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    First off, thank you, we definitely appreciate your opinion. Please allow me to explain why we have it dosed the way we do...

    Based on research of past AI's including ATD & Arimistane TM, we have concluded that the effective doses of ATD in human studies is in the range of 25-150mg's/day, which is necessary levels needed to increase endogenous androgen levels, while decreasing circulating levels of estrogen in the body.

    Now, the reason why I am mentioning ATD is because it is very important to understand that the Ki value shows the effectiveness of the binding affinity to the aromatase enzyme. With that being said, the Ki value of ATD is 0.18 micromolar and Aromastane has a Ki value of 0.22 micromolars, therefore the ATD is 1.22 times more effective than the Aromastane. In conclusion, the reason why we have the Aromastane at 50mg/capsule is if ATD is effective at 25-150mgs/day then the effective dose of Aromastane should be on the low side of 30 mgs/day and the high end of 180mgs/day, making the ideal dose being approx. 90 mgs/day. This is why we believe that anything less that 50mgs/day would be considered under-dosed.

    Also, please compare our product to some of the other well-known and effective products out there on the market today (Novadex TM = 60mgs/capsule of AI)!

    As far as the joint pain is concerned... Unfortunately, everyone is different and different compounds effect them and their body's differently. It is impossible for us to create a compound that is 100% effective for everyone in every way, unfortunately!
    Nice explanation, there is definitely good science behind it. As I understand it though, ATD was so difficult to dose as it was so individual specific. Some would get great results on a lot, others would be in pain and lose libido on half the does. I just listened to a recent SHR episode about it that is why I bring it up. Either way, this will probably work very well for many people and you guys are really making some good products. I need to read more on this Epi-V, looks interesting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Nice explanation, there is definitely good science behind it. As I understand it though, ATD was so difficult to dose as it was so individual specific. Some would get great results on a lot, others would be in pain and lose libido on half the does. I just listened to a recent SHR episode about it that is why I bring it up. Either way, this will probably work very well for many people and you guys are really making some good products. I need to read more on this Epi-V, looks interesting...
    Thank you, we always do our best to research each and every product me make thoroughly before we ever even think about putting it on the market. As far as you wanting more information on our Epi-V product, please check this out... Q & A for FINAFLEX EPI-V
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    Show me a legit COA and I'll pick up 3 bottles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Papi View Post
    Show me a legit COA and I'll pick up 3 bottles.
    Which specific ingredient are looking for a COA for? We get all of our ingredients 3rd party tested and verified from a USA testing facility!
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    Looks like a new and improved formula - gonna have to get my boss to carry this at the wholesale supplement store I work at part time
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Looks like a new and improved formula - gonna have to get my boss to carry this at the wholesale supplement store I work at part time
    Sounds good Bro, just email or have your Boss email us at... ops@redefinenutrition.com and we can send you and/or your employer a box of samples, t-shirt, protein shaker, & some literature on our products. Thank you and enjoy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Sounds good Bro, just email or have your Boss email us at... ops@redefinenutrition.com and we can send you and/or your employer a box of samples, t-shirt, protein shaker, & some literature on our products. Thank you and enjoy!
    Absolutely man! Thanks for the offer I'll definitely take you up on that.
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    Can I get a write-up for this? Or is it too early for something like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Can I get a write-up for this? Or is it too early for something like that?
    What exactly do you mean by a write-up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    What exactly do you mean by a write-up?
    Something similar to this

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Write Up
    Ahhh... I gotcha now, yes this is where I will post the write-up. The write up was just completed yesterday, I should have the final draft available to me tomorrow or the next day and I promise to be on top of it and post it just as soon as I can!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Ahhh... I gotcha now, yes this is where I will post the write-up. The write up was just completed yesterday, I should have the final draft available to me tomorrow or the next day and I promise to be on top of it and post it just as soon as I can!
    awesome man, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    awesome man, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Ahhh... I gotcha now, yes this is where I will post the write-up. The write up was just completed yesterday, I should have the final draft available to me tomorrow or the next day and I promise to be on top of it and post it just as soon as I can!
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    PCT REVOLUTION BLACK

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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    For those of us who have used Erase, which you are so cleverly referring to, that dose of the AI you have in here is VERY high, like make your knees and shoulder scream at you high. I could see taking 1 pill per day but 2 makes me hurt thinking about it. I like the rest of the profile though I would have skipped the DAA and put in fadogia but that is me. Will keep an eye out for some logs...
    Have to agree with you there...I know everyone is different but I did 50mg on week one, 75 weeks 2 and 3, then 50 week 4. Reason I dropped the dose was the shoulder blade and other joint pain was horrendous. I did feel like it did the trick at this dose compared to other PCT I have done and kept my gains. Still, this is a great value and I am tempted to get it just for the ifrst couple of weeks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccnAbolic View Post
    Have to agree with you there...I know everyone is different but I did 50mg on week one, 75 weeks 2 and 3, then 50 week 4. Reason I dropped the dose was the shoulder blade and other joint pain was horrendous. I did feel like it did the trick at this dose compared to other PCT I have done and kept my gains. Still, this is a great value and I am tempted to get it just for the ifrst couple of weeks...
    No doubt, it is a well thought out formula. I wish it was something I could use but my joints aren't cool with that much, 50 is about what I can take without a whole lot of joint supps which costs too much.
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    More product info guys!

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    Hi
    Thanks for all your info.

    First let me say i am 45yrs old.

    I just bought the Pure Test and PCT REV.
    Can you tell me the best way to use these?

    Do I stack them or take the Test first, followed by the PCT?

    Thanks in advance
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsar View Post
    Hi
    Thanks for all your info.

    First let me say i am 45yrs old.

    I just bought the Pure Test and PCT REV.
    Can you tell me the best way to use these?

    Do I stack them or take the Test first, followed by the PCT?

    Thanks in advance
    great question, just placed an order myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsar View Post
    Hi
    Thanks for all your info.

    First let me say i am 45yrs old.

    I just bought the Pure Test and PCT REV.
    Can you tell me the best way to use these?

    Do I stack them or take the Test first, followed by the PCT?

    Thanks in advance
    I agree, great Question!

    I would take 6 caps of PURE TEST & 2 caps of PCT REVOLUTIONS Black per day! Personally, I like to split it up, so I take 2 caps of PURE TEST & 1 cap of PCT REV. Blk. in the morning, 2 caps of PURE TEST in the middle of the day and at night sometime shortly before I go to bed take another 2 caps of PURE TEST & 1 cap of PCT REV. BLK.

    I hope that answers your Q, please feel free to ask about anything else you might not be clear on!
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    It certainly answered my question.

    Much appreciated !
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsar View Post
    It certainly answered my question.

    Much appreciated !
    Awesome, glad to be of service my friend, anytime, this is what I am here for!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Nice explanation, there is definitely good science behind it. As I understand it though, ATD was so difficult to dose as it was so individual specific. Some would get great results on a lot, others would be in pain and lose libido on half the does. I just listened to a recent SHR episode about it that is why I bring it up. Either way, this will probably work very well for many people and you guys are really making some good products. I need to read more on this Epi-V, looks interesting...
    I agree, it looks really good

    Edit: I just ordered two pct black.
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    DAA seems to be dosed pretty low. Most take it at 3-4 grams per day, looks like your dosing is less than 325mg per serving? Or is that a typo from the first post? Sorry, that's the only thing I saw that seems weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    DAA seems to be dosed pretty low. Most take it at 3-4 grams per day, looks like your dosing is less than 325mg per serving? Or is that a typo from the first post? Sorry, that's the only thing I saw that seems weird.
    No... you are correct, it is on the lower side, that is why we have a higher dosed product called FINAFLEX PURE TEST to be taken along with the PCT it is pure DAA and it is perfectly dosed! If you look at some of my other threads, they are actually doing a combo special here on NutraPlanet where you buy the PCT at a really good price and they give you the PURE TEST for FREE!!!

    Also you have to remember we are just trying to use enough DAA to return people's Testosterone levels back to normal, not give them enough to boost it past their normal, if they want that, which most people do, that is why we made a second product! Hope this explains it a little better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    No... you are correct, it is on the lower side, that is why we have a higher dosed product called FINAFLEX PURE TEST to be taken along with the PCT it is pure DAA and it is perfectly dosed! If you look at some of my other threads, they are actually doing a combo special here on NutraPlanet where you buy the PCT at a really good price and they give you the PURE TEST for FREE!!!

    Also you have to remember we are just trying to use enough DAA to return people's Testosterone levels back to normal, not give them enough to boost it past their normal, if they want that, which most people do, that is why we made a second product! Hope this explains it a little better.
    I was wondering the same and you answered my question. Thank you
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    How is this 'better' than the standard PCT Revolution (White)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oze View Post
    How is this 'better' than the standard PCT Revolution (White)?
    Without going into a crazy amount of detail and to break it down as simple as possible... we have a stronger more effective estrogen blocker in the PCT REVOLUTION Black and a stronger more effective testosterone booster! So two very important ingredients have been upgraded for your benefit!!!
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    I have bought the pro anabolic kit from Advanced muscle Science , AI sports cycle support and have 2 bottles of the PCT black and the Pure Test. How best to combine these? Any problems with running the PCT and pure test on cycle and off with arom-x, 4AD, and deca-vol? Any recommendations for additional supps (BCAA etc)?

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