Pro's who stay shredded all year round. Could you enjoy that lifestyle?

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  1. I think the big part that you guys missed in this discussion is the amount of HGH and insulin these guys are actually using. The quality of what they are actually using. Yes, they train and eat, and genetics play a role when you are competing against the top 15-25 in the world.

    But what truly seperates a top-pro from an top-amateur pro is 3 major factors.
    1. Their financial situation
    2. The consistency of their Gear source
    3. The quality of their Gear

    What seperates a pro from an olympian
    1. Quality and Dosage they can afford of their growth hormone
    2. Consistency of their Growth Source
    3. Genetics

    Put anyone on 10-15IUs of pharmacy grade growth hormone, an insulin regime and a couple grams of gear, and if they actually have an appetite, they will blow the **** up. I know because I have had several friends that were scrawny dudes that would get beat up in high school with no athletic ability win big shows and get NQ and they have ****ty genetics.

    When having your insulin regime down to a T, you will stay huge. Especially when running T3.

    Big thing is growth tho, combined the three above with 1500mg test and low dose of Tren and a DHT base, you will be a monster.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyJumpman View Post
    I think the big part that you guys missed in this discussion is the amount of HGH and insulin these guys are actually using. The quality of what they are actually using. Yes, they train and eat, and genetics play a role when you are competing against the top 15-25 in the world.

    But what truly seperates a top-pro from an top-amateur pro is 3 major factors.
    1. Their financial situation
    2. The consistency of their Gear source
    3. The quality of their Gear

    What seperates a pro from an olympian
    1. Quality and Dosage they can afford of their growth hormone
    2. Consistency of their Growth Source
    3. Genetics

    Put anyone on 10-15IUs of pharmacy grade growth hormone, an insulin regime and a couple grams of gear, and if they actually have an appetite, they will blow the **** up. I know because I have had several friends that were scrawny dudes that would get beat up in high school with no athletic ability win big shows and get NQ and they have ****ty genetics.

    When having your insulin regime down to a T, you will stay huge. Especially when running T3.

    Big thing is growth tho, combined the three above with 1500mg test and low dose of Tren and a DHT base, you will be a monster.
    Is it true that some of these athletes get involved and connected with doctors who in fact work with monitoring them with their use? Yes Or no? Not saying all but there has to be some out there who have doctors that know what they are doing and help them out so they don't hurt themselves. For example I'm sure Phil Heath's doctors have always made sure to monitor him during this career with blood work and so forth. Also making sure he is taking the right doses and combinations that work the best.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by CompeteNPC View Post
    Is it true that some of these athletes get involved and connected with doctors who in fact work with monitoring them with their use? Yes Or no? Not saying all but there has to be some out there who have doctors that know what they are doing and help them out so they don't hurt themselves. For example I'm sure Phil Heath's doctors have always made sure to monitor him during this career with blood work and so forth. Also making sure he is taking the right doses and combinations that work the best.
    Of course. It’s like the due diligence for doctors to do their job: keep you healthy at all costs, and kinda push what you do on the side under the table.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Georgiepecker View Post
    Of course. It’s like the due diligence for doctors to do their job: keep you healthy at all costs, and kinda push what you do on the side under the table.
    A doctor is taking a huge risk though doing that correct? I'm sure some have lost their licenses over it?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by CompeteNPC View Post
    A doctor is taking a huge risk though doing that correct? I'm sure some have lost their licenses over it?
    I don’t know much of their laws, I do know they often have malpractice insurance, but I’m sure some could’ve lost jobs over this topic. I can’t say I’d want to do it myself for somebody!
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  6. Pro's who stay shredded all year round. Could you enjoy that lifestyle?


    Doctors can't stop you from using steroids, they can only advise you on proper ways of using. And yes, most have doctor's that they see monthly for blood work. When in prep for a big show, many see the doctors several times a month for blood work of not weekly. Not only to have some blood taken out because of thickness from the compounds but also to measure vitals and levels of hormones.

    A doctor is not taking risk advising you on how to use it, as it is his job to give you the knowledge but 99% of the time, your basic General medicine doctors are clueless when it comes to what is actually going on with a pro bodybuilder. The use of 100s of units of external insulin, or 20-30 ius of growth hormone, 4-6 grams of testosterone plus another 5-6 grams of compounds they have never heard of is taboo and something medical school doesn't teach.

    A doctor can give you the ancillaries to assist you with problems like high blood pressure, liver or kidney function, cholesterol, gyno, etc. And can also refer you to specialist for certain conditions or attention.

    But a doctor is only taking a risk if he is under the table hooking it up as a source or over prescribing. But at the end of the day, steroids have never been linked to a single death. Diuretics, plasma expanders, DNP and insulin have. And they will always cover themselfs by stating something like "it's in your best interest to remove those compounds, but if you are staying on by your own choose, yada yada yada."

    And these pros are not going to a pediatrician or everyday HRT therapists. They work the best in the world. As they are walking chemistry sets. When you become an IFBB pro, you are connected with people that have dealt with other in the same ball park as you. And while their source for stage goodies may not be in the discussion between bodybuilders, their source for doctors to ensure their safety for what they do since it is extreme and extremely dangerous is def given out.

    They want to win but not at the expense of people dying and certain doctors have a reputation for working with some of the biggest guys and knowing their actual regimes to ensure the best care they can. And it's a HIPPA violation which in turn can cause then to lose their license if they discuss doses of other patients.

    This is something I was just discussing with an Open IFBB olympian. If you are spending 6 figures a year on gear, growth and food, best believe you are seeing the best doctors in the world and consistently. This includes chiropractors, endocrinologist, HRT specialist, and hemologist on a regular.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyJumpman View Post
    Doctors can't stop you from using steroids, they can only advise you on proper ways of using. And yes, most have doctor's that they see monthly for blood work. When in prep for a big show, many see the doctors several times a month for blood work of not weekly. Not only to have some blood taken out because of thickness from the compounds but also to measure vitals and levels of hormones.

    A doctor is not taking risk advising you on how to use it, as it is his job to give you the knowledge but 99% of the time, your basic General medicine doctors are clueless when it comes to what is actually going on with a pro bodybuilder. The use of 100s of units of external insulin, or 20-30 ius of growth hormone, 4-6 grams of testosterone plus another 5-6 grams of compounds they have never heard of is taboo and something medical school doesn't teach.

    A doctor can give you the ancillaries to assist you with problems like high blood pressure, liver or kidney function, cholesterol, gyno, etc. And can also refer you to specialist for certain conditions or attention.

    But a doctor is only taking a risk if he is under the table hooking it up as a source or over prescribing. But at the end of the day, steroids have never been linked to a single death. Diuretics, plasma expanders, DNP and insulin have. And they will always cover themselfs by stating something like "it's in your best interest to remove those compounds, but if you are staying on by your own choose, yada yada yada."

    And these pros are not going to a pediatrician or everyday HRT therapists. They work the best in the world. As they are walking chemistry sets. When you become an IFBB pro, you are connected with people that have dealt with other in the same ball park as you. And while their source for stage goodies may not be in the discussion between bodybuilders, their source for doctors to ensure their safety for what they do since it is extreme and extremely dangerous is def given out.

    They want to win but not at the expense of people dying and certain doctors have a reputation for working with some of the biggest guys and knowing their actual regimes to ensure the best care they can. And it's a HIPPA violation which in turn can cause then to lose their license if they discuss doses of other patients.

    This is something I was just discussing with an Open IFBB olympian. If you are spending 6 figures a year on gear, growth and food, best believe you are seeing the best doctors in the world and consistently. This includes chiropractors, endocrinologist, HRT specialist, and gemologist on a regular.
    Good posts.

    These plasma expanders?

    Blood and plasma volume expanders  Plasma expanders are agents that have relatively high molecular weight and boost the plasma volume by increasing the osmotic pressure.  They are used to treat patients who have suffered hemorrhage or shock.

    Never knew they were common in bodybuilding
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  8. Yes sir. They are extremely common with the top pros and where many of the big problems start to occur. Not so common with the up and coming guys nor necessary.

    I've always said utilizing diuretics to pull water from the body and then a plasma expanders to force water into the muscles as the diuretic is trying to pull water from it. Extremely contradicting and extremely hard on the body.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyJumpman View Post
    Yes sir. They are extremely common with the top pros and where many of the big problems start to occur. Not so common with the up and coming guys nor necessary.

    I've always said utilizing diuretics to pull water from the body and then a plasma expanders to force water into the muscles as the diuretic is trying to pull water from it. Extremely contradicting and extremely hard on the body.
    Learn something new everyday and ive been around fifteen years. No Thanks to this.

    Ive heard of some top pros, like Jay, back five or ten years ago, lose 15 lbs in a day or so , water weight,none the less, still 15 lbs scale weight !
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by CompeteNPC View Post
    Do you think you would enjoy staying shredded all year round? There are some pro's out there that do this. Every month they have a photo shoot with someone and have to stay extremely lean and cut all year due to this as its their job.

    Hypothetically speaking, would you be able to do the same? These are the type of guys who cannot enjoy the simple things in life that we can. I would think it would really **** with your mindset and many go into depression because of it and have serious mood swings. How about the pro's that do shows all year round? Traveling to Europe and Japan taking no breaks. Things like going out for pizza and a beer may happen once a year as a special treat if that. I mean honestly there comes a time where you say who gives a **** if I have 8 pack abs! I'm gonna go out and enjoy a six pack with the guys, shoot some guns or chase women and live a little. The gym will always be there tomorrow!
    You forget that once you get to that level, it's far easier to maintain than you think - plus, those guys will know their bodies and how they respond to anything and everything, so will (or should) know how to manipulate whatever they do to ensure their conditioning stays as they want it to be, when they want it. And stuff "like going out for pizza and a beer" does not have to be "once a year as a special treat" - some of them may choose that, but you CAN actually "enjoy the simple things in life" and "live a little" AND stay in excellent condition. At the end of the day, it is each individual's choice what and how their lifestyle is.
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  11. I think many need to look at bodybuilding in the more organic sense. Look at the essence of the word. Body-building. That means making the body stronger... Historically this meant having a surplus of maybe 20 extra pounds of muscle, and taking the fat down to a level that shows the muscles but doesn’t hamper performance. Original bodybuilders (1850-1920’s) in this country could work hard in real life because of this build.. They would live longer lives with better quality as a byproduct.

    That is what I consider “bodybuilding”.. I compete with the man in mirror. I set goals for myself. I achieve the goals, then my self esteem and sense of accomplishment rewards me. I suggest making achievable goals and executing them to anyone passionate about this. This process can be applied to everything in life. Just my two cents friends ☮️

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Chados View Post
    Well you just said most people don't do cardio. Regardless of genetics they are taking it to another level. And to believe they aren't abusing steroids insulin etc is just ignorant. Staying lean is not hard for me at all, gaining muscles and staying lean is. I don't think anyone on this board are willing to be as serious as these guys. It's not normal for the average guy to have the time, the money and the mentality to be the best in the world. This (sport) is probably the most expensive one known to man if you want to be the best.

    Aesthetics is something each person have different opinions about, even if everyone could look like Ronnie Coleman and had the money and time, there would only be a few people willing to do it. Most peoples goals are not to be above 200 lbs.
    Agreed. The top pros train and eat like you cannot imagine. Yes, they also take huge amounts of gear, supps, slin, and growth..but every minute of the day is devoted to the sport. I train 3 hours a day, eat 6 meals a day, sleep 8 hours. I've been doing it for years..I don't work out..I have a life style that revolves around training. I'm not a body builder, I'm too tall. But I was 225 in my mid twenties, now I'm a solid 335. Personally, I can't imagine doing more for the sport then I already do..unless I quit my job and separate from my family. But, very few people on the planet can do what is required to be a phil, dexter, ramy, jay, dorian, etc. It's not all genetics, it's about making the sport your entire life..most of us simply can't do that.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by CompeteNPC View Post
    Is it true that some of these athletes get involved and connected with doctors who in fact work with monitoring them with their use? Yes Or no? Not saying all but there has to be some out there who have doctors that know what they are doing and help them out so they don't hurt themselves. For example I'm sure Phil Heath's doctors have always made sure to monitor him during this career with blood work and so forth. Also making sure he is taking the right doses and combinations that work the best.
    My Dr knows what I do, how much I do, and when I'm doing it. He runs my bloods etc..at least once a month. He also helps with some of the side effects through script writing..insomnia, water weight, BP, estrogen issues etc..I'm pretty lucky. He is also a huge fan of the sport and used to compete himself

  14. I lived a natural strict bodybuilding life for many years like 8, ate every 2-3 hours, trained hard, had a good physique, got compliments and was even accused of being on steroids, which was a nice compliment. I was big and looked good.

    That said, now a days I enjoy life, and while I stay on my diet, I give myself time to do things socially in my relationship or with friends. Going out socially to me is important and I neglected it for years. You can stay on your diet and go out, just pre pack your food or shakes with you.
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  15. I cant even get to that point so cant imagine staying there year round

  16. Its a lot easier to prep for a show this way plus a lot of guys have photo shoots

  17. Quote Originally Posted by fowon View Post
    I cant even get to that point so cant imagine staying there year round
    Same here, nor would I want to, but to each his own... (I like pizza and beer way too much)...
    Never had a desire to compete, never will...

  18. I stay pretty lean all yr for photos and sych its my job. I just use the mirror if i start to slip i fall back plus dirty bulking which ive done is too much stress on me i stay around 7% bf yr round give or take easier pre contest plus its my job. I still enjoy stuff im not weighing food i just judge myself with the mirror but i never stray to far where if something comes up a few weeks i can be on point
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