Deca,test, anti estrogen and superdrol??

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Not at all within parameters of dosage... There is no better stack for mass then what you're proposing in my opinion. If you're looking to slap on some size this stack would be king
 

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Not at all within parameters of dosage... There is no better stack for mass then what you're proposing in my opinion. If you're looking to slap on some size this stack would be king
Thanks man i appreciate it. Im gonna start it on Monday
 
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I did one a while ago ran test for 5 weeks then added deca and equipoise for 5 more but honestly i didn't see any results.

Well eq needs to be run a minimum of 12 weeks. But you either had some,bunk gear or were doing something seriously wrong. Drugs work, diet and training determine how well. If you have some legit test I would run around 500/week for 12 weeks and dial in diet and training. That should easily yield 15-20 lbs.

Adding compounds after you get a good feel for test. The cycle you propose could easily be a 2nd cycle. But seriously, if you ran those 3 compounds for a first cycle and didn't see any results something wasn't right
 

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Well eq needs to be run a minimum of 12 weeks. But you either had some,bunk gear or were doing something seriously wrong. Drugs work, diet and training determine how well. If you have some legit test I would run around 500/week for 12 weeks and dial in diet and training. That should easily yield 15-20 lbs.

Adding compounds after you get a good feel for test. The cycle you propose could easily be a 2nd cycle. But seriously, if you ran those 3 compounds for a first cycle and didn't see any results something wasn't right
What do you think about deca and superdrol how much should i use?
 
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What do you think about deca and superdrol how much should i use?
How about this, you lay out your proposed cycle and ill let you know what I think. If your "starting Monday" I would hope you have a plan
 
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Here something to share about Deca:

[video=youtube;fcmetbnPf2c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcmetbnPf2c[/video]
 
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You don't seem like you're ready to start in 2 days.
You don't even have dosages or cycle length planned out?
 

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Weeks for each compound and doses for each compound. Lay that out and ill let you know
I'm getting annoyed now
Deca 200 to 400p mg weekly*
Test 250 to 500 mg weekly*
Superdrol 30 mg split up am and midday
 
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Deca 200 to 400p mg weekly*
Test 250 to 500 mg weekly*
Superdrol 30 mg split up am and midday
Personal opinion: deca 400 and test 500
 
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Personal preference:

Test 175mg/week
Deca 500mg/week
Sdrol 30mg/day

Reasoning:
High dose test + high dose deca = bloating like inflated condom

Deca d1ck is a possibility, would pop 2x25mg proviron/day.
 
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After watching the vid, I may try an NPP/Winni cycle next time without any test.
If lethargy hits and the info in that vid is false, Test-prop will do the trick.
Will be interesting.
No AI will be needed as NPP (Deca) converts 20% to estrogen and winni should help too.
 
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Personal preference:

Test 175mg/week
Deca 500mg/week
Sdrol 30mg/day

Reasoning:
High dose test + high dose deca = bloating like inflated condom

Deca d1ck is a possibility, would pop 2x25mg proviron/day.
Actually you have a point. 600 test and 500 deca had me pretty damned bloated.
If I were to do it over again I'd have done 300 test and 500 deca. Test was prepared at 300mg/mL so that would've been easiest. If I had 200 or 250mg/ml I probably still would've just done 1 mL per week.
Although I did not have any bedroom issues. Cialis would help though if it did arise... or fail to.
 
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Actually you have a point. 600 test and 500 deca had me pretty damned bloated.
If I were to do it over again I'd have done 300 test and 500 deca. Test was prepared at 300mg/mL so that would've been easiest. If I had 200 or 250mg/ml I probably still would've just done 1 mL per week.
Although I did not have any bedroom issues. Cialis would help though if it did arise... or fail to.
I had to abandon my last NPP/Test cycle because my BP shot up to 180/120, donated blood twice in a month, took 3 different meds for high BP also a diuretic -and I lactated (!) even WITH Adex and Caber. The bloat was bad too and the cause for the BP.

Did you watch the vid? There is a new trend: NO TEST on deca cycles. Very interesting, supposedly no bloat -even hardening up this way.
 
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I had to abandon my last NPP/Test cycle because my BP shot up to 180/120, donated blood twice in a month, took 3 different meds for high BP also a diuretic -and I lactated (!) even WITH Adex and Caber. The bloat was bad too and the cause for the BP.

Did you watch the vid? There is a new trend: NO TEST on deca cycles. Very interesting, supposedly no bloat -even hardening up this way.
Yikes. I'm currently on NPP EQ and test as you know from my log, no issues to report fortunately.
I haven't watched the vid but I do keep up with the Enhanced Athlete team, as strange as they are. Believe it or not, this actually isn't a new idea. But it's not an idea that I've entertained much.
 
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Yikes. I'm currently on NPP EQ and test as you know from my log, no issues to report fortunately.
I haven't watched the vid but I do keep up with the Enhanced Athlete team, as strange as they are. Believe it or not, this actually isn't a new idea. But it's not an idea that I've entertained much.
I remember the stuff you took a year ago, you never had problems, lucky you. Me on the other hand, I ran into all sorts of trouble.
We are stuck to the idea Test is some essential magical stuff...apparently not. I have still a sh1tload of NPP in the fridge, will try it together with winni, no test. Cycle starts November.
 
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I remember the stuff you took a year ago, you never had problems, lucky you. Me on the other hand, I ran into all sorts of trouble.
We are stuck to the idea Test is some essential magical stuff...apparently not. I have still a sh1tload of NPP in the fridge, will try it together with winni, no test. Cycle starts November.
Link me up when you do! Very interested in what happens.
 
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This was common back in the day. Deca was a base, test didn't become big until the 80's. It works great but can cause a parameter of health issues. I'd proceed with caution or at the very least run a trt dose of test.

I had a buddy in college who used to swear by EQ and won't cycles. He's run like 6-900mg eq a week, no test and 50mg winny a day. Strong as could be with good size and always lean and vascular. Fwiw
 
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This was common back in the day. Deca was a base, test didn't become big until the 80's. It works great but can cause a parameter of health issues. I'd proceed with caution or at the very least run a trt dose of test.

I had a buddy in college who used to swear by EQ and won't cycles. He's run like 6-900mg eq a week, no test and 50mg winny a day. Strong as could be with good size and always lean and vascular. Fwiw
I could imagine high hematocrit and enlarged heart in the long run on deca. What interests me most is to see if high BP was caused by the combination of test with NPP (deca) -and if test was the culprit.
 
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There's 2 schools of thought here. One is you hear guys bash the low test high deca cycle. I usually defend this when I see someone bashing it because usually they're just parroting nonsense they've heard from someone else. This isn't a crazy cycle at all. Deca is long acting but not really that bad for sides in my experience. The logic here is you run the test as a base and let the deca do most of the work. Deca is an excellent builder, one of the best for putting on quality mass. It works great synergistically with test and in my opinion its the two working together that makes it a great stack.

The second thought is the higher test than deca to mitigate sides. Well I don't really see this as a valid point either. Because reality is if your running higher doses you always increase the possibility of side effects. Again this is a great mass builder. Test at say 600 and deca 400 per week is a great cycle for building mass.

As for running deca and test and being bloated.... If your looking for aesthetics this isn't the cycle lol. This is an all out get down and put on some mass cycle. Add in some dianabol and you can really toss your look good out the window but you'll be slapping on some size no doubt. But in the end you can run these either way.

I have never really seen what's proposed in the video however. Running "grams" of deca solo and seeing "no sides" seems absolutely absurd to me.
 
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There's 2 schools of thought here. One is you hear guys bash the low test high deca cycle. I usually defend this when I see someone bashing it because usually they're just parroting nonsense they've heard from someone else. This isn't a crazy cycle at all. Deca is long acting but not really that bad for sides in my experience. The logic here is you run the test as a base and let the deca do most of the work. Deca is an excellent builder, one of the best for putting on mass. It works great synergistically with test and in my opinion its the two working together that makes it a great stack.

The second thought is the higher test than deca to mitigate sides. Well I don't really see this as a valid point either. Because reality is if your running higher doses you always increase the possibility of side effects. Again this is a great mass builder. Test at say 600 and deca 400 per week is a great cycle for building mass.

As for running deca and test and being bloated.... If your looking for aesthetics this isn't the cycle lol. This is an all out get down and put on some mass cycle. Add in some dianabol and you can really toss your look good out the window but you'll be slapping on some size no doubt. But in the end you can run these either way.

I have never really seen what's proposed in the video however. Running "grams" of deca solo and seeing "no sides" seems absolutely absurd to me.
Yep, I agree on all!
Well, someone has to be the lab rat. I'll do it in November.
 
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Just make sure to get bloodwork done post cycle. Prolactin levels may be effected from deca which is what can cause that low sex drive.
 
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Try keeping test lower then deca. Deca is very anabolic and actually doesn't have many sides. Lee priest used to run just dbol and deca and barely ever used test. A lot of old school guys did just dbol and deca with no test.
 
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Personal preference:

Test 175mg/week
Deca 500mg/week
Sdrol 30mg/day

Reasoning:
High dose test + high dose deca = bloating like inflated condom

Deca d1ck is a possibility, would pop 2x25mg proviron/day.
500 mg is high dose? I would say atleast do 250mg of test a week 175 is not only hard to measure but it's so low that you're pinning yourself for practically no reason unless he has below average testosterone.
 
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500 mg is high dose? I would say atleast do 250mg of test a week 175 is not only hard to measure but it's so low that you're pinning yourself for practically no reason unless he has below average testosterone.
That would be my personal preference, pinning 125mg (0.5ml) e5d, should be around 175 'ish/week.
The reason: Test hinders collagen synthesis, Deca ups collagen synthesis. To reap full benefits of deca, = low test.
 

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Watched these videos myself. Then did little research on guys who have tried it . I am running 200 mg test cyp and 500 mg deca . Going on sixth week and no issues what so ever. Take an ai and can't complain no bloat or watery look.
 
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500 mg is high dose? I would say atleast do 250mg of test a week 175 is not only hard to measure but it's so low that you're pinning yourself for practically no reason unless he has below average testosterone.
175, even 125 or 150 are pretty common TRT doses. That's all you need to replace your suppressed natural production when using other AAS.
 

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I have read tons of posts of people saying running their test way high and running the deca lower. So far I can say that my strength went up and I have lost body fat and muscles are full. Like I said before no bad side effects so far. Maybe next time I try with higher test just to compare.
 

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