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    What's the best prohormone?

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    there are tooooo many to have "the best"
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    Well what do you recommend
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    Desielbolon and Beatrol are great but as all PHs they shut you down hard.
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    all ph's do NOT cause hard suppression!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    all ph's do NOT cause hard suppression!
    Huh? A lot of PH are grey market AAS. Of course they would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trn450 View Post

    Huh? A lot of PH are grey market AAS. Of course they would.
    really, every ph causes hard suppression?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    really, every ph causes hard suppression?
    Can you recommend one that doesn't? I had some of my best gains on PHs but they killed my libido and shut me down hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    really, every ph causes hard suppression?
    You said every PH does NOT cause hard suppression. I didn't say every PH DOES cause hard suppression.

    I don't think there is any sort of strong data that would allow us to quantify or categorize suppression and I wouldn't be fool enough to start theorizing. However, the greatest likelihood is that any testosterone analogue that acts on the androgen receptor will be providing negative feedback to the HPTA, which necessarily causes suppression.

    The only thing that could possibly affect this (and, this is an educated hypothetical) is poor diffusion across the blood brain barrier. But, these "pro hormones" in general are 4 member rings (kind of like a "steroid", lol) that are lipid soluble essentially by definition (if you've got a 4 ring hydrocarbon it would take some pretty large modifications to make it strongly hydrophilic as opposed to lipophilic, and I'd hazard a guess that would also negatively impact binding to the androgen receptor ). Therefore, these would likely cross the blood-brain barrier with ease, so again, we're back to great likelihood of negative feedback on the HPTA for anything that acts strongly on the androgen receptor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trn450 View Post
    You said every PH does NOT cause hard suppression. I didn't say every PH DOES cause hard suppression.

    I don't think there is any sort of strong data that would allow us to quantify or categorize suppression and I wouldn't be fool enough to start theorizing. However, the greatest likelihood is that any testosterone analogue that acts on the androgen receptor will be providing negative feedback to the HPTA, which necessarily causes suppression.

    The only thing that could possibly affect this (and, this is an educated hypothetical) is poor diffusion across the blood brain barrier. But, these "pro hormones" in general are 4 member rings (kind of like a "steroid", lol) that are lipid soluble essentially by definition (if you've got a 4 ring hydrocarbon it would take some pretty large modifications to make it strongly hydrophilic as opposed to lipophilic, and I'd hazard a guess that would also negatively impact binding to the androgen receptor ). Therefore, these would likely cross the blood-brain barrier with ease, so again, we're back to great likelihood of negative feedback on the HPTA for anything that acts strongly on the androgen receptor.
    Wow dude, what do you do for a living? Sometimes I'm amazed at some of the knowledge I get on AM. Thank you. Your response was mature and educated as opposed to some of the responses I get on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    Wow dude, what do you do for a living? Sometimes I'm amazed at some of the knowledge I get on AM. Thank you. Your response was mature and educated as opposed to some of the responses I get on here.
    Thanks. I'm a newly minted physician. So, still have plenty of training left before I'm competent, so don't take me too seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    Desielbolon and Beatrol are great but as all PHs they shut you down hard.
    You say they shut you down what do you mean by that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trn450 View Post
    You said every PH does NOT cause hard suppression. I didn't say every PH DOES cause hard suppression.

    I don't think there is any sort of strong data that would allow us to quantify or categorize suppression and I wouldn't be fool enough to start theorizing. However, the greatest likelihood is that any testosterone analogue that acts on the androgen receptor will be providing negative feedback to the HPTA, which necessarily causes suppression.

    The only thing that could possibly affect this (and, this is an educated hypothetical) is poor diffusion across the blood brain barrier. But, these "pro hormones" in general are 4 member rings (kind of like a "steroid", lol) that are lipid soluble essentially by definition (if you've got a 4 ring hydrocarbon it would take some pretty large modifications to make it strongly hydrophilic as opposed to lipophilic, and I'd hazard a guess that would also negatively impact binding to the androgen receptor ). Therefore, these would likely cross the blood-brain barrier with ease, so again, we're back to great likelihood of negative feedback on the HPTA for anything that acts strongly on the androgen receptor.
    i was referencing the guy who said "all ph's shut you down hard".....i meant "not all ph's cause suppression"
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkirk85 View Post
    You say they shut you down what do you mean by that.
    When I was done with 4 weeks of them, my test levels were 234. I had no desire to jerk off or have sex. It took 8 weeks for me to get back to homeostasis.
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    it took 4-5 weeks of pct to restart me, i used mecha/stano for 8 weeks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    i was referencing the guy who said "all ph's shut you down hard".....i meant "not all ph's cause suppression"
    Ah, gotcha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    it took 4-5 weeks of pct to restart me, i used mecha/stano for 8 weeks...
    Mecha/Stano is the name of the PHs? And in those 4-5 weeks (which is normal by the way, usually takes me about 5 weeks) did you have any sex drive or were you completely dead d**k?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trn450 View Post
    Thanks. I'm a newly minted physician. So, still have plenty of training left before I'm competent, so don't take me too seriously.
    You're welcome and God speed on your new profession. I'm just an accountant. I am a financial reporting manager for a major beverage company. I know next to nothing about this stuff and whatever I know I learned from trial and error (mostly error).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    Mecha/Stano is the name of the PHs? And in those 4-5 weeks (which is normal by the way, usually takes me about 5 weeks) did you have any sex drive or were you completely dead d**k?
    mechabol and stanodrol, not really dead but very low sex drive
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    mechabol and stanodrol, not really dead but very low sex drive
    How were your gains? And what did you use while on? Any AIs? Anti-Prolactins? And what did you use for PCT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    How were your gains? And what did you use while on? Any AIs? Anti-Prolactins? And what did you use for PCT?
    some fat with a good amount of muscle, no ai on cycle, doesnt need it. pct was the following:
    tamoxifen 20/20/12.5/10
    recourse for 6 weeks
    erase pro eod
    anabeta elite workout days only
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    some fat with a good amount of muscle, no ai on cycle, doesnt need it. pct was the following:
    tamoxifen 20/20/12.5/10
    recourse for 6 weeks
    erase pro eod
    anabeta elite workout days only
    ostarine 20 mgs for 6 weeks
    Why doesnt it need it? Your body turns high levels of test into estrogen. Tamoxifen is the brand name for Torem right? Erase Pro sucks and if you didnt need an AI while on why do you do Erase? I just read up on Anabeta, still not sure what it does. I never heard of anyone PCTing with Ostarine. How was it and did you have pharm grade or research (same question for Tamoxifine btw).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    Why doesnt it need it? Your body turns high levels of test into estrogen. Tamoxifen is the brand name for Torem right? Erase Pro sucks and if you didnt need an AI while on why do you do Erase? I just read up on Anabeta, still not sure what it does. I never heard of anyone PCTing with Ostarine. How was it and did you have pharm grade or research (same question for Tamoxifine btw).
    It doesn't aromatize. Tamoxifen is Nolvadex. He uses erase to ensure there is no estrogen rebound as he comes off the SERM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    It doesn't aromatize. Tamoxifen is Nolvadex. He uses erase to ensure there is no estrogen rebound as he comes off the SERM.
    Sorry, if my questions seem stupid but NO PHs aromatize or just those products? And I still say Erase Pro sucks. I was stupid and was doing a heavy Test/Deca cycle with no AI, after 5 weeks my d**k died. When I got tested my Estrogen was 229!! I had taken Erase Pro for 9 days before that and Formeron for 3 days, it was only after I took Letro that my estrogen was crushed.
    Why Nolvadex and not Clomid? Doesnt Clomid reboot your LH production? Does Nolvadex do the same?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    When I was done with 4 weeks of them, my test levels were 234. I had no desire to jerk off or have sex. It took 8 weeks for me to get back to homeostasis.
    Well I can't have that happen I don't want that. And I'm glad I asked these questions cuz I've learned there is a whole bunch of stuff I need to research cuz I know nothing about what you guys have been talking about
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkirk85 View Post
    Well I can't have that happen I don't want that. And I'm glad I asked these questions cuz I've learned there is a whole bunch of stuff I need to research cuz I know nothing about what you guys have been talking about
    Maybe it was just the products I did. I have been on HCG and I'm not impressed, except my libido is pretty good. I want to try AAS one more time but I want to do a short 6 week cycle but I have been told if I do that I need to use Test Prop which requires 6 pins a week if I want to do 500mg per week.
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    Superdrol

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    I've ran dmz and methyl-sten.. I'm on my second cycle with these compounds, my last pct was clomid 50/50/50/50
    And I bounced right back everything went back to normal in about 3 weeks. Of course I didn't run up the mg all I could just 20mg of both each day. I didn't get any blood work done but, I didn't have gyno, testicular size went back to normal if not above normal. And I could fuk my gf all I want. On cycle is different though. I wouldn't try to have sex on a PH cycle you might embarrass yourself lol
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    Which PH's are people having these dick problems with? I realize they are significantly milder compounds but epistane and h-drol clones didn't give me the slightest shut down issues even at slightly above average doses. If anything libido was higher than usual and remained normal throughout PCT as well as afterwards.
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