- 04-20-2011, 07:23 AM
As a side note PES: i would love to test your new anabolic product! would run a log...
my keyboard is all black so i miss some keys and i am not spell checking this mother so bear with it!!!
I am 240lbs and 10% BF at 6'5 and 26, natural bodybuilder
Training 6 years
3 years ago was 210 at 8%, now going for 230 7%
Squat (raw, ATG): 600 x 2
Bench: 365 x 2
Deadlift: 455 x 6
Cardio 6x a week high intensity. Try to burn 300+ calories on machine in under 16mins then 4 mins cooldown.
Weights 5x a week high intensity more of a Max-OT
If anyone knows stimulants its me and i enjoy me adderrall, caffeine, ephedrine, 1,3DM, racetams, etc. i have ADD and i looove stims
Shift: Used it for 4 weeks as i went from fat mess 250 to 240 slowly keeping muscle. Felt it was a nice "edge" to get a little extra over the cardio. Used ephedrine/caffeine with it preworkout. Was all good BUT haha i had to use 9 caps a day to get desired effects of some weight loss. At that level i felt it was a great product and like i said gave me that little extra edge. Great before bed.
i took BP/HR and they were all normal. BUT DONT TRY IT AT HOME at 9 caps
5/5 on the shift LOVE IT! if a product works like it should then thats awesome. But you still need your diet and cardio or this is going to be useless like everything else.
Erase: everyone loves it, what can i add. I gotta do 6-7 a day though to get the estrogen lowering effects. I know my body really well, i get a faint faint pain in my right forearm when estrogen is low. Confirmed on blood tests in past So at 8=pain/lethargy, 6 or 7= feel great.
Alpha-T2: I am now on my next 4 weeks of the Erase/shift stack and added Alpha-T2... don't like it other than early morning:::
First dose: was at 2pm when i got my package. felt like the toxic high off of aderrall, that sort of feeling but with added nausea and light headedness. didn't mind it but wasnt that niiice stim from caffeine ephedrine.
Next dose: in 6am, felt great but toxic. then took one preworkout. First warmup set of seated calves and i almost passed out, my face was red, i was full of sweat, felt like barfing and light headed. Stuck it out and finished workout but NOT A GOOD FEELING!
Next day: 7am felt great but like the aderral toxicity. 3pm pre cardio... again toxic feeling and at 16mins first time ever my calves started shivering like nuts. felt horrible.
2/5 - methylsynephrine= OK for mornings for extra fat loss but not the new ephedrine, not close
Closing thoughts: Shift and ERASE are freaking awesome. I have used 5 shift bottles and 4 erase bottles and i hope they stay on the market. Caffine/ephedrine is a edge and so is shift/erase and in the same class imo.
the a-t2 with the new methylsynephrine is not like ephedrine, it is not the same feeling. i know all those science articles etc etc but it is not. it feels like when you overdose 1,3 DM like what is in jacked. it is not a nice high. In the morning it is better tolerated if you dont do exercise, but with exercise for me it makes me feel so sick and i cant work out well. I wont buy this again. I am glad for my legal ephedrine Caffeine/ephedrine is where it is at and nothing comes close so far in the stimulant category.
I hope it doesnt sound harsh on the A-T2 but PES/everyone else i want people who try the alpha and feel terrible like me not to knock shift because it is in the same category with the 3,3triiodo. If you feel like me on the alpha you might really like shift.
This is my opinion. I suggest everyone run and stock up erase and shift and horde it in their cupboards because it works.
- 04-20-2011, 07:27 AM
Nice I would have to agree, I love methylsyneprhine since im a stim junkie, but it IS NOT for everyone. I love it when I have to run errands for 8 hours, but during a workout its asking for a stroke."No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training...what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable." - Socrates
04-20-2011, 07:33 AM
04-20-2011, 12:37 PM
Nine caps a day of Shift seems a little excessive - I definitely think that Alpha-T2 is a more effective product, but, stacked WITH Shift, you could use 3-4 caps of each product daily for effective results.
I can see where you might need to use a higher dosage of Erase, with some surprise at 6-7 caps a day - very interesting. How do you know that it was not having an AI effect at a lower dosage, and did you have any joint pain at all? Nice to see someone else who doesn't have their joints affected at >3 caps daily.
As it is, nice to see that you have enjoyed Shift and Erase
04-21-2011, 06:00 AM
didnt do bloods but from my experience no estrogen lowering until at least 5 caps. No joint pain at all, no drying, no extra peeing or water loss until i hit 5-7 mark is my personal sweet spot where i feel great and get the libido boost etc.
you are saying to stack shift and at2 at 4 caps each but rosie that is the same amount of 3,3 as the 8 caps i was taking so i dont think it is excessive, since studies done on the 3,3 with animals used WAAAAY more. but i agree there is always a risk, i am not a ape (that i know of) but i took it and got great results and no sides at all. I am sure 20 caps would be even better but not worth the risks for example. but you are correct and i would not recommend others do it, i enjoy being a live chemistry kit
My stack now is
AM 2 caps at2, 2 caps erase
meal 2: 2 caps shift, 1 cap erase
meal 3: 1 cap erase
meal 4: 2 shift, 2 erase
meal 5: 2 shift, 1 erase
PES has made the best products of recent years. All the crap that is out there, in my view erase and shift are two top quality products i will use many times in the future
04-21-2011, 09:18 AM
No, I am not saying when you stack Alpha-T2 and Shift to use the maximum daily dosage of each - just that you should not exceed 4 caps of each daily. If you're stacking them, then I don't recommend using the maximum daily dosage of each, but stack them so that you are using ~4 caps daily in total BETWEEN the products.
But, you know your body better than anyone else, so you will do what you will do.
04-21-2011, 12:03 PM
I'm on my third week of the PES trifecta stack. I really like the recomp ability of this stack but I can't handle the lethergy. I think it's due to Shift but I'm not really sure. I'm going to stop for a few days and start over without Shift and see what happens.
04-21-2011, 01:48 PM
04-21-2011, 02:36 PM
I've been off of everything for a couple of days and my energy levels are back to normal so I know that it's something in the stack that is causing the lethergy. It took about two weeks for it to become a problem. I will begin to use Alpha T2 for a couple of days and see how that goes. Then experiment with shift and erase. I will keep everyone posted.
04-21-2011, 08:51 PM
Fritzer. Thanks for the review! Glad it worked well for you.
BBB. Thanks for your update as well. Keep us posted. I just bought this stack and I'm trying to figure out how best to put it together for my goals.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/173797-one-small-step.html Getting my ass beat and logging it.
04-21-2011, 08:55 PM
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