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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    It's amazing what some people will say before they have any information in front of them to make an informed decision.

    Haters are always gonna hate regardless; you can have all the supportive data in the world and their ignorance rules them in the end.

    Thank you for the kind words my friend.



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    I made that thread over there, not to start drama but b/c I value outside source opinions. From what I gather PA knows quite a bit, I realize there might be some feud between him and Eric, so I also take that into consideration when forming my final opinion.

    Not sure why the post was deleted, maybe someone posted things after I read. There were some valid arguments from what I recall. One being that PP does tend to exaggerate certain claims. Such as the dermacrine being "the closet thing to injectable testosterone" etc...

    I realize marketing is there to sell products, I for one hope Androseries does meet claims, I would be so happy. It provides me no sort of pleasure to see a product fail, especially one i'm excited to try. For the record I have spent over $250.00 at PP, I like the company but I try to use common sense when reading manufacturer's claims...

    This post could be taken as hating by a close minded individual, or a person who always has to take a side,(Xbox Vs PS3--Mac Vs Windows) but we as consumers should be allowed to question products before we purchase and put them in there body.

    Also, no matter what anyone says Eric is more concerned with making money than helping people, not saying he doesn't enjoy helping people reach goals but money is the top priority... But with that said, 99.9%(guessing) of the population is in that category, as am I...

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    Quote Originally Posted by redwine425 View Post
    I made that thread over there, not to start drama but b/c I value outside source opinions. From what I gather PA knows quite a bit, I realize there might be some feud between him and Eric, so I also take that into consideration when forming my final opinion.

    Not sure why the post was deleted, maybe someone posted things after I read. There were some valid arguments from what I recall. One being that PP does tend to exaggerate certain claims. Such as the dermacrine being "the closet thing to injectable testosterone" etc...

    I realize marketing is there to sell products, I for one hope Androseries does meet claims, I would be so happy. It provides me no sort of pleasure to see a product fail, especially one i'm excited to try. For the record I have spent over $250.00 at PP, I like the company but I try to use common sense when reading manufacturer's claims...

    This post could be taken as hating by a close minded individual, or a person who always has to take a side,(Xbox Vs PS3--Mac Vs Windows) but we as consumers should be allowed to question products before we purchase and put them in there body.

    Also, no matter what anyone says Eric is more concerned with making money than helping people, not saying he doesn't enjoy helping people reach goals but money is the top priority... But with that said, 99.9%(guessing) of the population is in that category, as am I...

    I don't view this as hate at all. Everyone is entitled to their own views or opinions. I have no problem with that at all; in fact, I encourage it. It's good to ask questions and request information.

    Marketing is marketing; simple as that. I don't care who the company is, it's going to be over-emphasized or exaggerated to someone regardless of what is presented. Again, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm just pointing out that we're all individuals and have our own beliefs, education, and practices. Marketing is a vital component on the success of a business; whether people accept that or not.

    To be honest, my family (not money) is my top priority by a long shot. So, I guess I'm in that 0.01%. I could careless about money in general; as long as my family is supported and well supplied I'm more than content. Considering I work in health care, I wouldn't be doing this if I wasn't interested in helping people in their time of need. Not everybody is a money monger only concerned with themselves in this world; so don't kid yourself there.

    I'm still up in the air about the Xbox 360 vs. PS3 debate. I have both, and like them both. Just sayin' .




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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    I don't view this as hate at all. Everyone is entitled to their own views or opinions. I have no problem with that at all; in fact, I encourage it. It's good to ask questions and request information.

    Marketing is marketing; simple as that. I don't care who the company is, it's going to be over-emphasized or exaggerated to someone regardless of what is presented. Again, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm just pointing out that we're all individuals and have our own beliefs, education, and practices. Marketing is a vital component on the success of a business; whether people accept that or not.

    To be honest, my family (not money) is my top priority by a long shot. So, I guess I'm in that 0.01%. I could careless about money in general; as long as my family is supported and well supplied I'm more than content. Considering I work in health care, I wouldn't be doing this if I wasn't interested in helping people in their time of need. Not everybody is a money monger only concerned with themselves in this world; so don't kid yourself there.

    I'm still up in the air about the Xbox 360 vs. PS3 debate. I have both, and like them both. Just sayin' .




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    I agree here...everyone will have their own views and opinions and they are rightly entitled to them.

    Furthermore...John, you and I are along the same lines my friend...my education has been based on human studies and honestly I just want to help people and make enough to live comfortably (money isn't everything).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamBoz19 View Post
    I agree here...everyone will have their own views and opinions and they are rightly entitled to them.

    Furthermore...John, you and I are along the same lines my friend...my education has been based on human studies and honestly I just want to help people and make enough to live comfortably (money isn't everything).

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    It's our choice which path we take in life; we're not all a slave to greed and gluttony....

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    John, you are clearly an ill advised person.























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    i'm thoroughly excited for the androseries
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    John, you are clearly an ill advised person.

    PS3 all the way.

    Online play and environment: Xbox 360 > PS3

    Everything else: PS3 > Xbox 360

    This is why I feel both gives you the best of both worlds.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    I don't view this as hate at all. Everyone is entitled to their own views or opinions. I have no problem with that at all; in fact, I encourage it. It's good to ask questions and request information.

    Marketing is marketing; simple as that. I don't care who the company is, it's going to be over-emphasized or exaggerated to someone regardless of what is presented. Again, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm just pointing out that we're all individuals and have our own beliefs, education, and practices. Marketing is a vital component on the success of a business; whether people accept that or not.

    To be honest, my family (not money) is my top priority by a long shot. So, I guess I'm in that 0.01%. I could careless about money in general; as long as my family is supported and well supplied I'm more than content. Considering I work in health care, I wouldn't be doing this if I wasn't interested in helping people in their time of need. Not everybody is a money monger only concerned with themselves in this world; so don't kid yourself there.

    I'm still up in the air about the Xbox 360 vs. PS3 debate. I have both, and like them both. Just sayin' .




    -John

    Yeah man I agree with you on the marketing, it's a necessary evil all company's have to indulge in.

    That's kind of what I was saying, lot's of people choose sides and blindly stick with them and have blind spots to all rational talk regarding there side. I've been that way before so I can't hate, heck I might still be on certain things.

    I should have elaborated on the money thing, I meant if you own a business money is going to be top priority. Your in health care, and i'm sure you get joy out of helping people, but if you didn't make enough money to support your family i'm sure you choose another path.

    Thanks for the response though..
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    I know this question is not about the androseries, but is Hair Gen still in the works ?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamBoz19 View Post
    I agree here...everyone will have their own views and opinions and they are rightly entitled to them.

    Furthermore...John, you and I are along the same lines my friend...my education has been based on human studies and honestly I just want to help people and make enough to live comfortably (money isn't everything).

    Cheers!

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    ^^^I also agree, my career path is in health care as well, the mental side.

    Bottom line here is effective, safe products, and we at Primordial Performance try to provide as good a service as we can to the consumer. We are not out trying to rip people off, or make a quick buck. The AndroSeries is a great example of this, being DSHEA compliant, it will be safe and effective which will remain on the market for a long while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redwine425 View Post
    I made that thread over there, not to start drama but b/c I value outside source opinions. From what I gather PA knows quite a bit, I realize there might be some feud between him and Eric, so I also take that into consideration when forming my final opinion.
    PA is a good guy, very smart, and likes to argue with everyone lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    John, you are clearly an ill advised person.
    I will have to side with John, in that having both is the superior choice!

    Of course, the compulsion to own every technology-based toy which graces my presence is neither superior nor a choice. Nor is it a proper welcome home to a loving fiance, "I know you said this TV was the last, but let me explain first...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by redwine425 View Post
    I made that thread over there, not to start drama but b/c I value outside source opinions. From what I gather PA knows quite a bit, I realize there might be some feud between him and Eric, so I also take that into consideration when forming my final opinion.

    Not sure why the post was deleted, maybe someone posted things after I read. There were some valid arguments from what I recall. One being that PP does tend to exaggerate certain claims. Such as the dermacrine being "the closet thing to injectable testosterone" etc...

    I realize marketing is there to sell products, I for one hope Androseries does meet claims, I would be so happy. It provides me no sort of pleasure to see a product fail, especially one i'm excited to try. For the record I have spent over $250.00 at PP, I like the company but I try to use common sense when reading manufacturer's claims...

    This post could be taken as hating by a close minded individual, or a person who always has to take a side,(Xbox Vs PS3--Mac Vs Windows) but we as consumers should be allowed to question products before we purchase and put them in there body.

    Also, no matter what anyone says Eric is more concerned with making money than helping people, not saying he doesn't enjoy helping people reach goals but money is the top priority... But with that said, 99.9%(guessing) of the population is in that category, as am I...
    Contrary to generally accepted moral intuition, "making money" and "helping people" are not ispo facto mutually exclusive properties. In other words, if one is so inclined, one is fully capable of both making money and helping people simultaneously.

    They only exclude one another in the act of their existence if one assumes any and all money-making pursuits are prima facie exploitative. I can assure you, they are not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redwine425 View Post
    I made that thread over there, not to start drama but b/c I value outside source opinions. From what I gather PA knows quite a bit, I realize there might be some feud between him and Eric, so I also take that into consideration when forming my final opinion.

    Not sure why the post was deleted, maybe someone posted things after I read. There were some valid arguments from what I recall. One being that PP does tend to exaggerate certain claims. Such as the dermacrine being "the closet thing to injectable testosterone" etc...

    I realize marketing is there to sell products, I for one hope Androseries does meet claims, I would be so happy. It provides me no sort of pleasure to see a product fail, especially one i'm excited to try. For the record I have spent over $250.00 at PP, I like the company but I try to use common sense when reading manufacturer's claims...

    This post could be taken as hating by a close minded individual, or a person who always has to take a side,(Xbox Vs PS3--Mac Vs Windows) but we as consumers should be allowed to question products before we purchase and put them in there body.

    Also, no matter what anyone says Eric is more concerned with making money than helping people, not saying he doesn't enjoy helping people reach goals but money is the top priority... But with that said, 99.9%(guessing) of the population is in that category, as am I...
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    soooooooooooo when is it comming out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the GUNSHOW View Post
    soooooooooooo when is it comming out?
    Check back Tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    John, you are clearly an ill advised person

    PS3 all the way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Online play and environment: Xbox 360 > PS3

    Everything else: PS3 > Xbox 360

    This is why I feel both gives you the best of both worlds.


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    It may be too early to answer this, but would a product like AndroMass or AndroHard be acceptable for a person's first foray into serious prohormones? Or would they be better for someone with a few cycles under their belt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by danieltx13 View Post
    It may be too early to answer this, but would a product like AndroMass or AndroHard be acceptable for a person's first foray into serious prohormones? Or would they be better for someone with a few cycles under their belt?
    Less side effects mean that the AAS is more user friendly and beginner friendly, though no one can say for sure until the write-ups are released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danieltx13 View Post
    It may be too early to answer this, but would a product like AndroMass or AndroHard be acceptable for a person's first foray into serious prohormones? Or would they be better for someone with a few cycles under their belt?
    I will think so, but I will advise you to wait on the write-ups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Contrary to generally accepted moral intuition, "making money" and "helping people" are not ispo facto mutually exclusive properties. In other words, if one is so inclined, one is fully capable of both making money and helping people simultaneously.

    They only exclude one another in the act of their existence if one assumes any and all money-making pursuits are prima facie exploitative. I can assure you, they are not.
    Couldn't have said it better. In fact one could say it's impossible to truly help people without making money or investing your time into something so you have value to give.

    I'll push that point further, you must be selfish to be generous. You must build yourself up first before you can support others. Even in making money in a company you're supporting the dreams and aspirations of your staff and crew.

    Quote Originally Posted by redwine425 View Post
    I made that thread over there, not to start drama but b/c I value outside source opinions. From what I gather PA knows quite a bit, I realize there might be some feud between him and Eric, so I also take that into consideration when forming my final opinion.
    Disagreement is required for true progress and for that reason I'm thankful that all the great minds of this community don't see eye to eye and while there might be a feud, it's possibly over something of little consequence or started over something stupid and escalated over the months or years haha.

    PA is a smart guy and he always one to speak his mind, but he's still human like the rest of us.

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    Online play and environment: Xbox 360 > PS3

    Everything else: PS3 > Xbox 360

    This is why I feel both gives you the best of both worlds.

    -John
    This statement is full of win :-D. You get your uncharted 2 and god of war AND your gears of war and splinter cell conviction, not to mention my kinnect tomorrow :-D (Yes I have a PS Move too hehe). Why suffer having only one console?
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    Bump for...? Monday is the expected presale in which the write-ups will be presented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Bump for...? Monday is the expected presale in which the write-ups will be presented.
    I'm really interested in viewing the write-ups. Been wanting some scientific enzymatic info on androstanes for a long time. Can't wait!!
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    hmm, I think its a safe assumption 99% of the AM community is lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemd21289 View Post
    hmm, I think its a safe assumption 99% of the AM community is lol
    You must be rounding down
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    ohhhh yaaa (guido fist pump)

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    Today is the 26th...which means, tomorrow is the.....20......7th.......Swwe eeeeeet.
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    is the presale definitely tomorrow??
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    is the presale definitely tomorrow??
    Haven't heard otherwise

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Haven't heard otherwise
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    please i ask that you dont wait till midnight tomorrow to let it loose
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Haven't heard otherwise
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    sub'd last minute muahaha. lol hurry up already pp!!
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    sub'd last minute muahaha. lol hurry up already pp!!
    Time goes by so fast that tomorrow will be here before you know it - after all, in New Zealand, it ALREADY IS tomorrow
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