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    Putting Sustain Alpha through the test as HCG alternative.


    Primoridal is providing me with to home blood tests to test for LH and FSH. I will be using Sustain Alpha and we will be able to see its effects on LH. I have one test at home and I have one more on the way. Im on day 33 of this cycle:

    1-43 edrol 10mg (i was using 10mg epi in the morning for 4 weeks prior also)
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    33 pplex 25mg
    34-36 pplex 10mg

    30-43 sdrol 10mg
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    -may be subject to change as cycle continues

    I would like to run the tests apart from each other but I think Primordial wants me to test 3 days apart from each test. I will update further as time goes along on how exactly we will utilize these blood tests.

    Another note I have been taking sustain alpha 3-4 pumps on random occasions for estrogen maintenance so to speak.

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    awesome, look forward to seeing how this works.
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    Def want to see how this works, Have u noticed any testicular atrophy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jminis View Post
    Def want to see how this works, Have u noticed any testicular atrophy?
    yes i have, and when im having trouble cumming i think my LH is pretty shot. Ideally i would like to test sometime this week then two weeks of 5 on 2 off and retest but i think Eric wants me to do it 3 days apart.

    The 2nd test should be here anyday now...
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    sounds cool man! i am interested to see. I have about 2 more days left on a bottle of sustain alpha i have been using
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    Recieved the other test two days ago.... Hopefully i can get the test done and sent out this week.
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    hey piston, which protocol are you using for your "during" cycle sustain: are you doing the twice a week or the three times a week?
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    hey dragon13!..just a heads up!..you might be risking an infraction with your avatar..just letting you know,LOL..i like it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bslick69b View Post
    hey dragon13!..just a heads up!..you might be risking an infraction with your avatar..just letting you know,LOL..i like it though.
    yeah, i got one with a similiar one
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinivan View Post
    hey piston, which protocol are you using for your "during" cycle sustain: are you doing the twice a week or the three times a week?
    well i was using it twice a week for a couple weeks, nothing really structured but after talking with Eric of PP he told me to hold off on the sustain use until in between tests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bslick69b View Post
    hey dragon13!..just a heads up!..you might be risking an infraction with your avatar..just letting you know,LOL..i like it though.
    Come on, she's covered. That little pink thong is right there, if you look closely.

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    Hey how do you guys think i should run the tests? I have been off sustain for awhile now, Id like to see Eric come in here. Opinions please because id like to get this laid out ASAP cuz the cycle is coming to an end in a about two weeks and im thinking of finishing with 10ml of test prop i have extra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    Hey how do you guys think i should run the tests? I have been off sustain for awhile now, Id like to see Eric come in here. Opinions please because id like to get this laid out ASAP cuz the cycle is coming to an end in a about two weeks and im thinking of finishing with 10ml of test prop i have extra.
    Hey bro... didnt even see this thread until now.

    Lets get you tested ASAP, then get the SA applied at 10 pumps ED for 3 days, then test again. (eg, test monday, apply monday, apply tuesday, apply wed, test thurs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Hey bro... didnt even see this thread until now.

    Lets get you tested ASAP, then get the SA applied at 10 pumps ED for 3 days, then test again. (eg, test monday, apply monday, apply tuesday, apply wed, test thurs)

    Same bat time, same bat place.

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    ok then, i have thursday friday off of work then i work saturday overnight and sleep sunday morning. I will test sunday afternoon when i wake up. After test i will apply 10 pumps. 10 pumps monday. 10 pumps tuesday, and test again wednesday afternoon upon waking. Sound good? Should i apply 10 pumps at once after a shower or 5 pumps after shower and 5 pumps eight hours later?
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    wow 10 pumps.... that would cover my whole body easily...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    wow 10 pumps.... that would cover my whole body easily...
    thats what i was thinking too. i did 4 pumps yesterday fyi. im not going to do anymore until after the test on sunday.

    Eric what results will i get with these tests? i know for the sake of the experiment we are looking at LH and FSH numbers but i dont see a test on your website that tests specifically just for these, the only one i see tests for test and e levels too....
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    thats what i was thinking too. i did 4 pumps yesterday fyi. im not going to do anymore until after the test on sunday.

    Eric what results will i get with these tests? i know for the sake of the experiment we are looking at LH and FSH numbers but i dont see a test on your website that tests specifically just for these, the only one i see tests for test and e levels too....
    Are you using saliva or blood spot testing method, Piston?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    thats what i was thinking too. i did 4 pumps yesterday fyi. im not going to do anymore until after the test on sunday.

    Eric what results will i get with these tests? i know for the sake of the experiment we are looking at LH and FSH numbers but i dont see a test on your website that tests specifically just for these, the only one i see tests for test and e levels too....
    If its the full test from ZRT then it should test all of the following:

    The Full Hormone Profile tests for the following:

    Total Testosterone
    Estradiol (E2)
    Progesterone
    Luteinizing Hormone (LH)
    Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH)
    Total Vitamin D 25-OH
    Insulin
    Hemoglobin A1c (HbA1c)

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    there are two blood spot tests on the website im just wondering if they are going to test just LH and FSH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    ok then, i have thursday friday off of work then i work saturday overnight and sleep sunday morning. I will test sunday afternoon when i wake up. After test i will apply 10 pumps. 10 pumps monday. 10 pumps tuesday, and test again wednesday afternoon upon waking. Sound good? Should i apply 10 pumps at once after a shower or 5 pumps after shower and 5 pumps eight hours later?
    Yes, sounds good.

    10 pumps all at once is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    thats what i was thinking too. i did 4 pumps yesterday fyi. im not going to do anymore until after the test on sunday.

    Eric what results will i get with these tests? i know for the sake of the experiment we are looking at LH and FSH numbers but i dont see a test on your website that tests specifically just for these, the only one i see tests for test and e levels too....
    We didn’t think there would be a demand for LH and FSH testing… but maybe there would be.

    Im hoping your first test will reveal non-detectable LH & FSH levels, and the second will show at least sub physiological levels of LH & FSH. This would be an impressive feat, and would indicate that Sustain Alpha is actually acting like a mild dose of hCG. (Testes that have been inactive for a couple weeks are more responsive than normal, thus a lower than normal level of LH & FSH would yield stimulatory effects similar to something like 100iu of hCG)

    Ideally, anyone who does this protocol would need to start within the first 3 weeks of the cycle, and continue it throughout the length of the cycle. The longer you wait past the 2 week mark, the less responsive your testes will be to a low level of LH & FSH, so timing is very important here.

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    If i ever do a suppressive cycle I plan on doing this if the tests come out good.

    so three weeks after you start?

    what if its only a four week cycle like phera? would it work the same way it could I do it at the two week mark?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    If i ever do a suppressive cycle I plan on doing this if the tests come out good.

    so three weeks after you start?

    what if its only a four week cycle like phera? would it work the same way it could I do it at the two week mark?
    Yes.

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    Eric i was just asking will i get the testosterone, e2, progesterone, lh, fsh, insulin etc? since the test that tests for lh and fsh does indicate these areas as being tested too. If so then thats great! Im guessing i will get them all since ZRT does the testing correct? Very curious to see what im at right now.

    EDIT:nevermind i see the requisition paper only has lh and fsh checked for testing

    Libido is pretty good again, it went up with the phera but dropped off towards the end of the phera and since ive gone to 20mg sd its back up there again. I am having prolonged sex and more often then not i havent been able to ejaculate so im thinking my LH is pretty much zero. We shall see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    Eric i was just asking will i get the testosterone, e2, progesterone, lh, fsh, insulin etc? since the test that tests for lh and fsh does indicate these areas as being tested too. If so then thats great! Im guessing i will get them all since ZRT does the testing correct? Very curious to see what im at right now.

    EDIT:nevermind i see the requisition paper only has lh and fsh checked for testing

    Libido is pretty good again, it went up with the phera but dropped off towards the end of the phera and since ive gone to 20mg sd its back up there again. I am having prolonged sex and more often then not i havent been able to ejaculate so im thinking my LH is pretty much zero. We shall see.

    This is going to be the most challenging test yet, since we are testing at the end of a very suppressive cycle. (LH & FSH will be hard to raise)

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    in late, but in...terested, for sure.
    Eric -- I love pulsing, in the interest of minimizing shutdown. Would Sustain's 7,8Benzoflavone (used every "on" day of the pulse) be beneficial in minimizing shutdown even moreso in such a pulse? (Assuming that it works at all, in this regard.)
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    Since i am also an eric, i'll answer I think it would, as it is pretty noticeable even in just 1 day of application, assuming apply 2x in the day with 5 squirts, and 1 squirt worth on the sack...
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