- 05-30-2008, 08:54 AM
- 05-30-2008, 09:20 AM
Yeah, Just use a hook grip unless you are going high reps then the straps will help more then changing grips.Muscle Pharm Rep
- 05-30-2008, 04:26 PM
If i was not going to compete i would wear straps and stay over over. If competing was in your future i would go over under.
05-30-2008, 05:05 PM
well, i threw on the straps today and pulled 475. 20lbs more than i was hoping for, so ill stick with the straps.
05-30-2008, 06:06 PM
I would keep in mind that when you use an over under grip your putting a HUGE load on one bicep, while almost totally excluding the other.
I personally dont do a mixed grip anymore. Even if your strapped in theres a higher chance of injury, than having both palms facing you..
05-30-2008, 06:27 PM
I use an overhand grip with straps when going for singles for muscular balance. Anything >90% of my 1RM get straps, but I use chalk on the other sets.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
05-30-2008, 07:01 PM
thanks for the advice guys. dont like the sound of the over under grips, so i will stay with over and straps. by the end of june im hoping to pull 500 and squat 455.
05-30-2008, 11:46 PM
Do not use and over under with straps. You put your bicep in a very bad position, much worse than an over under without straps. I know you said you didn't just wanted to clarify to everyone.
05-31-2008, 09:12 PM
every time i have my max deadlift day, i always end up with what feels like a pinched nerve or disk in my lower right back, right on top of the hip. it doesnt hurt, but is uncomfortable. i can usually stretch it out, but since friday it just doesnt want to go away. any specific stretch i could do to relieve the pressure???
05-31-2008, 09:41 PM
05-31-2008, 09:48 PM
thanks, i have a good chiro that only charges 35/visit, but was looking for something i could do myself.
05-31-2008, 10:14 PM
I apply capzacin cream to my lower back about 90 minutes before I do deads. By the time I get to my max sets, I am sweating and the heat from the cream really keeps my erectors loose. Zero problems since I started doing this.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
05-31-2008, 10:54 PM
05-31-2008, 11:49 PM
Anyway, I always use a left under, right over grip for deadlifts. I only go over over when doing straightleg deadlifts. I've been doing under over grip from about 205 pounds up to now and I'm at about 350-360 max. I never feel any muscular imbalance or discomfort, and when I'm sore the next day, it's perfectly even on both sides of my body.
I don't know how bicep stress becomes applied in the deadlift, but I've never once activated either bicep or had either bicep become sore the next day... Sounds like someone is doing something wrong?
05-31-2008, 11:56 PM
You should switch grips so you don't overdevelop one side, different muscles are used for different grips.
Every time you deadlift you are using your bicep, the reason it is not sore is because you are not directly targeting it like you would during curls or something. Any pulling motion is going to involve your biceps to a certain degree, thats just human kinetics.
Muscle Pharm Rep
06-01-2008, 12:03 AM
There is no elbow flexion at all, or there shouldn't be, in the deadlift. Now maybe if you were talking about the brachialis or brachioradialis I could understand a little because they help keep the elbow stable, but I couldn't fathom any amount of bicep activation in my personal deadlifts whatsoever.
06-01-2008, 12:53 AM
would Capsaicain have any impact on abdominal fat. no matter what i do my ab fat wont go away. been looking into napalm or something, but im up for ideas.
06-01-2008, 05:46 AM
Last edited by pmiller383; 06-01-2008 at 10:52 AM.
Muscle Pharm Rep
06-01-2008, 01:33 PM
06-01-2008, 03:30 PM
Muscle Pharm Rep
06-02-2008, 01:33 PM
06-02-2008, 03:06 PM
The suggestion I'm trying to make is that if the arm is hanging limp with no brachialis, biceps, or tricep activation at all, then the only muscles holding the bar in position are the wrist flexors and traps. Now the connective tissue around the elbow relaying that stress from the bar to the shoulders is simply tendons and cartilage and whatnot if no muscles are being activated or stretched. I'm submitting that that is the case--no muscles (biceps, brachialis, brachioradialis) are being stretched, much less activated.
06-02-2008, 04:51 PM
06-02-2008, 05:31 PM
06-03-2008, 12:13 AM
06-22-2008, 02:05 AM
When i do max's I do a grip like Ed(the picture) right is over left is under. Up intill the max I go over or switch under/over's. I might try pulling over/under instead of over/under just for this discussion. I've been doing deads since five years ago this way (not the whole time)
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06-22-2008, 02:20 PM
If you don't like the over/under grip, try the hook grip. It's painful but works pretty well and is very secure. It took me a few weeks to get used to the pain.
FWIW, I was getting some low back pain on the side where my grip was supinated (palm out) and switching to the hook grip did help with that some.
06-22-2008, 06:21 PM
06-22-2008, 06:53 PM
06-23-2008, 03:14 PM
Wow...I'm really glad I stumbled onto this thread. I've been using a left under right over grip since I started DL-ing...from like 185-455 / 3-4 years or so. My left bi is bigger than my right, and my right lat is bigger than my left (although neither very noticable...to other people at least). I never even considered that my DL grip was the cause until now. Needless to say, I'll be switching grips from time to time.
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