right now im able to deadlift 445 with a overhand grip. it is getting harder to hold on to the bar so i bought straps that i havent used. would it be better to use a mixed grip before relying on the straps??
I get the exact same thing. I go to the chiro and get ART/chiro to fix it. My hips twist a bit after lifting a while. I think i get it from lifting out of mono with a wide stance.every time i have my max deadlift day, i always end up with what feels like a pinched nerve or disk in my lower right back, right on top of the hip. it doesnt hurt, but is uncomfortable. i can usually stretch it out, but since friday it just doesnt want to go away. any specific stretch i could do to relieve the pressure???
:goodpost: I am going to try that Rodja, Nice idea.I apply capzacin cream to my lower back about 90 minutes before I do deads. By the time I get to my max sets, I am sweating and the heat from the cream really keeps my erectors loose. Zero problems since I started doing this.
Isn't capsaicin the chemical responsibile for chili hotness? Weird name for a medication.I apply capzacin cream to my lower back about 90 minutes before I do deads. By the time I get to my max sets, I am sweating and the heat from the cream really keeps my erectors loose. Zero problems since I started doing this.
Capsaicain is what makes pepper hot, it is also a potent thermogenic.Isn't capsaicin the chemical responsibile for chili hotness? Weird name for a medication.
Anyway, I always use a left under, right over grip for deadlifts. I only go over over when doing straightleg deadlifts. I've been doing under over grip from about 205 pounds up to now and I'm at about 350-360 max. I never feel any muscular imbalance or discomfort, and when I'm sore the next day, it's perfectly even on both sides of my body.
I don't know how bicep stress becomes applied in the deadlift, but I've never once activated either bicep or had either bicep become sore the next day... Sounds like someone is doing something wrong?
Well both biceps are the exact circumference at 16.5 inches. Both biceps have the exact same strength. Both biceps are 100% limp during a deadlift pull. Until I get any imbalances, I think I'll continue. And I've been deadlifting for around 2 years about once every week or 2.Capsaicain is what makes pepper hot, it is also a potent thermogenic.
You should switch grips so you don't overdevelop one side, different muscles are used for different grips.
Every time you deadlift you are using your bicep, the reason it is not sore is because you are not directly targeting it like you would during curls or something. Any pulling motion is going to involve your biceps to a certain degree, thats just human kinetics.
The imbalance isn't going to be noticeable in your biceps, it will be in your lats and traps. Also, the side that has the underhand grip will have bicep activation, that grip causes the muscle to shorten an puts a load on the muscle. Its not going to be a huge amount of the load, but if you DL heavy it is enough to cause strain.Well both biceps are the exact circumference at 16.5 inches. Both biceps have the exact same strength. Both biceps are 100% limp during a deadlift pull. Until I get any imbalances, I think I'll continue. And I've been deadlifting for around 2 years about once every week or 2.
There is no elbow flexion at all, or there shouldn't be, in the deadlift. Now maybe if you were talking about the brachialis or brachioradialis I could understand a little because they help keep the elbow stable, but I couldn't fathom any amount of bicep activation in my personal deadlifts whatsoever.
Huh, well I guess I'll get straps once the weight gets too heavy to grip over/under or I notice any imbalances in strength or size.The imbalance isn't going to be noticeable in your biceps, it will be in your lats and traps. Also, the side that has the underhand grip will have bicep activation, that grip causes the muscle to shorten an puts a load on the muscle. Its not going to be a huge amount of the load, but if you DL heavy it is enough to cause strain.
I know exactly what you mean, when I go heavy I always want to put my right hand under, but when I do speed deads I make sure I switch set. I figure for the few max efforts I do a week just using the right under isn't going to kill me, funny thing is my right bicep and trap are smaller than the left side.Huh, well I guess I'll get straps once the weight gets too heavy to grip over/under or I notice any imbalances in strength or size.
It just feels too natural right now to switch to over/over.
The biceps brachii's main function is to supinate the lower arm. When you are using an over under grip one arm is supinated and the other is not. So while it may not be noticeble, there is more stress on your left bicep than your left, which does create a greater potential for injury in that arm. I do, however, think that if you keep your form correct you should be fine.Well both biceps are the exact circumference at 16.5 inches. Both biceps have the exact same strength. Both biceps are 100% limp during a deadlift pull. Until I get any imbalances, I think I'll continue. And I've been deadlifting for around 2 years about once every week or 2.
There is no elbow flexion at all, or there shouldn't be, in the deadlift. Now maybe if you were talking about the brachialis or brachioradialis I could understand a little because they help keep the elbow stable, but I couldn't fathom any amount of bicep activation in my personal deadlifts whatsoever.
I've never had anything close to an injury from weightlifting, and I lift heavy pretty often. Just concerned about muscular imbalance, which I've noticed none of so far.The biceps brachii's main function is to supinate the lower arm. When you are using an over under grip one arm is supinated and the other is not. So while it may not be noticeble, there is more stress on your left bicep than your left, which does create a greater potential for injury in that arm. I do, however, think that if you keep your form correct you should be fine.
What I was saying was it is impossible to supinate the arm without activating the biceps brachii. Look at this picture of ed coan and see if his biceps are engaged or not. You can even watch your own arm, when you twist the forearm the bicep shortens. You may feel as though your arm is completely limp, but if it truly were you would not be able to hold any large amount of weight.I've never had anything close to an injury from weightlifting, and I lift heavy pretty often. Just concerned about muscular imbalance, which I've noticed none of so far.
The suggestion I'm trying to make is that if the arm is hanging limp with no brachialis, biceps, or tricep activation at all, then the only muscles holding the bar in position are the wrist flexors and traps. Now the connective tissue around the elbow relaying that stress from the bar to the shoulders is simply tendons and cartilage and whatnot if no muscles are being activated or stretched. I'm submitting that that is the case--no muscles (biceps, brachialis, brachioradialis) are being stretched, much less activated.
:goodpost: Very True and good example.What I was saying was it is impossible to supinate the arm without activating the biceps brachii. Look at this picture of ed coan and see if his biceps are engaged or not. You can even watch your own arm, when you twist the forearm the bicep shortens. You may feel as though your arm is completely limp, but if it truly were you would not be able to hold any large amount of weight.
I have read this numeros times, but have never seen anyone actually do it. Works well in theory, not in practice..
You should switch grips so you don't overdevelop one side, different muscles are used for different grips.
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where and how do the hooks cause pain?If you don't like the over/under grip, try the hook grip. It's painful but works pretty well and is very secure. It took me a few weeks to get used to the pain.
FWIW, I was getting some low back pain on the side where my grip was supinated (palm out) and switching to the hook grip did help with that some.
Really??????i found that paper towels make a great substitute for powder chalk if your gym doesnt allow it
Really??????
That's been my problem with the over under grip as well. Just doesn't fly with me... feels unnatural. The system works, I don't deny that, but my shoulder on the under grip just feels out of sync with the rest of the movement.I personally prefer over hand grip for both hands with straps on the heavy lifts. For some reason when I try the over/under I tend to tork my upper body a little while pulling.
Yeah man, I've done the same thing as well. Works great. I was having trouble staying on a pullup bar with this smooth rubber surface. Papertowels - FTW! Too bad chalk isn't more widely accepted... papertowels oddly really do fill that gap rather well though.yeah i have pretty small hands, i always felt like straps didnt really help my grip, but thin paper towel seem to really help my grip, especially if i squeeze the paper before the lift, so it molds to my hand haha
Always feels like my other fingers are trying to pull the thumbnail off more than hurting the main part of the thumb. It never happens, and the feeling goes away when the lift is finished, but the sensation is kinda distracting. Guess this may vary with different people having different finger lengths, hand proportions, etc(?) For sure I only hook for very low reps, couldn't sustain that for a more normal bodybuilding amt of reps.where and how do the hooks cause pain?